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  • CMO Beaver Beaver, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 12:12 p.m.

    i wonder who the russians were trying to get elected when it was Reagan vs Carter, Reagan vs Mondale... the Bush family vs. whoever... yeah that's what I thought

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 9:19 a.m.

    "US report: Putin ordered effort to help Trump, hurt Clinton"

    Thank you Mr. Putin!!!!

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Jan. 11, 2017 1:11 a.m.

    Mick - Murray, Utah
    Jan. 8, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    A bit too much Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

    "Also, all you who blame Trump for being a "Russian in disguise."

    Relax. We'll just have to see what the latest information is forthcoming investigating this development. Apparently Russians allegedly has compromising information on Donald Trump acquired over the last five years. We need confirmation or should we disregard it?

    "Are you also blaming Obama for being an "Iranian in disguise?"

    No. You forget that several other nations are involved in the Iranian deal. Also, the money belongs to the Iranians. It was confiscated when the Shah was deposed. Now, the Obama administration is giving it back per agreement.

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    Jan. 9, 2017 6:14 a.m.

    If as Trump says that Russia is our friend, and we should trust them, then why are we now building up the Navy's fleet? To protect us from who? Mexico? It can't be China nor Iran, because those are both Russian allies. Syria too. So who is this threat we are building this new Navy to protect us from.

    The inconsistencies here in message are mind bending. We have here comments that those who created this report must be traitors. That Assange is a better source than is our own national security teams. That if Trump lost, the system was in his own words "rigged", but if he won, there is no chance of outside interference.

    The breeding of distrust in our own nation by so called patriotic conservatives is just hard to understand. I am concerned that loyalties have shifted from Nation, to party. It is a vey dangerous path to head down.

    Trump wanting peace with Russia is an honorable thing. But blindly trusting Russia over our own interest is foolish at best.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Jan. 8, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    To all liberals-

    The Russians not only rigged the election, they also have an amazing crystal ball. They are the only ones on earth who truly thought Trump would win. We should all be more afraid of the crystal ball.

    They were most likely trying to make Hillary look even more weak than they made her look when she was Secretary of State. And they could take advantage of that when she became president.

    Also, all you who blame Trump for being a "Russian in disguise." Are you also blaming Obama for being an "Iranian in disguise?" With his deal he has given an enemy sworn to wipe Israel and the west off the map, billions of dollars.

    Liberal hypocrisy strikes again

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 8, 2017 10:44 a.m.

    Hey John Jackson -

    "For GaryO. Let me quote from the declassified report. "DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying."
    So, I wonder if I should just give up on my thought that the Russians might have hacked the voting machines. Without knowing why our Intelligence Community concluded the Russians didn't sabotage the election machines, I remain skeptical."

    I also remain skeptical. The motives of the Russians are quite clear. They wanted Trump and other Republicans to gain power and thus weaken America.

    I see no reason why they would limit their cyber-war. If they had the means to hack voting machines, then they certainly would have done so.

    Our intelligence community, using the technology available to them, apparently sees no compelling evidence of that.

    BUT . . . The Russians are masters of deception and subterfuge, aren't they?

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 12:27 a.m.

    For GaryO. Let me quote from the declassified report. "DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying."
    So, I wonder if I should just give up on my thought that the Russians might have hacked the voting machines. Without knowing why our Intelligence Community concluded the Russians didn't sabotage the election machines, I remain skeptical. Part of my wondering comes from the polls being off in so many states. In Utah, for example, we had something like an 8-point spread between what the polls predicted and what happened. The pollsters give themselves something like a 5-point spread, so our spread was like 3 points beyond the margin of error. Given that we know the Russians were trying to influence our election, yes, things like what happened in Utah do raise my eyebrow. I confess, though, I don't even know how often polls exceed their margins of error. Maybe it's common.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 10:00 p.m.

    "How would it be if Japan bombed Pearl Harbor,
    and our President said -- 'get over it. move on'?
    'In fact, We need to be better friends with Empire Japan.'"

    That behavior perfectly describes Obama and his reaction to terrorism.

    Also, don't you think it's at least a little suspicious that when the FBI requested the hacked server from the DNC, they refused? Hmmm.....

    Besides, U.S. intelligence doesn't exactly have the greatest track record at the moment.

  • General Mormon Farmington, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 9:58 p.m.

    As of now,
    for all we know --

    Those who side with Donald Trump,
    protect Donald Trump,
    make excuses for Donald Trump...

    ...could ALL be foreign spies, foreign trolls, fake news and propaganda agents of the Russian KGB.

    I love OUR country - not Russian and certainly not Vladimir Putin!

    I will play it safe from now on,
    and I assume those protecting Trump from these MULTIPLE intelligence reports are foreign agents,
    and hope they are not American traitors...

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 9:33 p.m.

    Does Trump want to cooperate with Russia as a small or large favor repayment?

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 7:43 p.m.

    Never forget that what we are talking about here is the release of actual, authentic emails exposing democrats engaging in underhanded, dishonest and reprehensible political activities. Under any other circumstance someone who did this would have been called a whistle-blower.

    And as a matter of perspective, if Putin would have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm here in the US to meddle with our elections, he would have done exactly what Obama did in the last Israeli parliamentary election in an effort to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Jan. 7, 2017 6:33 p.m.

    Dear Work and other of that ilk,
    friends, relax about the Mr. Trump being the next POTUS, he will be inaugurated as president in a few days. That is not in doubt or in question. The problem here is not even Donald Trump but his blind followers.
    If the Russians or any other country meddle in the U.S. elections then something has to be done.

    We know Donald Trump, his limited abilities and over egocentrism. What concerns me is that our check and balances are rendered totally ineffective if the people of this country decides that our Republican leaders can do NO wrong and therefore become "unaccountable" to us.

    Donald Trump has lied to us, but we know he is a liar. He is who he is. What is sad, that many of his followers excuse him out of hate not for what it is the option but for what " it was and option" some short time ago.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 5:36 p.m.

    The veracity of the emails' content is not in question. It is ironic that telling the truth about the DNC, John Podesta and Hillary Clinton would help Trump.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 7, 2017 5:02 p.m.

    Hey Lost in DC -

    "they didn't hack our government, they hacked hilary and the dnc. in asking about the content of the emails you are missing the point that the use of the private server was criminal . . . "

    Russia's hacking of the DNC violated American laws. THAT is criminal.

    Donald Trump himself very publicly INVITED the Russians, a malevolent foreign power, to illegally intercede on the behalf of Republicans. THAT is not only criminal, it is treasonous.

    According to investigators, the Russians also hacked Republicans. But the Russians, in the interest of harming only Democrats, never divulged any of those hacked Republican emails.

    Face the facts: The Russians colluded with Republican strategists to defame Hillary Clinton, a stunningly competent public servant, so that the blustering, bombastic Donald Trump, the most dishonest politician ever to run for President, would take power here in America.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 7, 2017 4:59 p.m.

    Can't trust the social media.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 7, 2017 4:51 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    So now it is official - Hillary, and DNC meddled with the US election against Bernie.

    How would Democrats feel if Republicans had did that?

    Some folks are so bias, they become blind to what really matters.

    America was mocked!

  • UtahTroutStalker draper, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 4:01 p.m.

    I wish/hope President Donald Trump will be a really strong leader and send a message to foreign leaders that this will not stand.

    Drone strike Putin!! Tell the world that no one is allowed to mess with our democracy.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 3:58 p.m.

    How would it be if Japan bombed Pearl Harbor,
    and our President said -- "get over it. move on"?
    "In fact, We need to be better friends with Empire Japan."

    This was a cyber-attack, by a silent enemy who has not declared war.

    Trump is playing the stooge here.
    He is a Russian Puppet.

    The Intelligence reports show that the Russian KGB indirectly uses others to not get blamed themselves.

    I would not be the least bit surprised,
    if the Russians were arming or helping ISIS groups for another 9/11 attack on the U.S. at this very moment.....

  • UtahTroutStalker draper, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 3:55 p.m.

    So we now know that the Russians employed trolls on social media to spread fake news stories.

    Seems like we may have some of them working on this board as well. At the very least there seems to be a bunch of folks that were led to believe the Russian troll fake news and seem all too happy to do their bidding on this site as well as Facebook.

    Really, if you love the USA - please stop spreading Russian propaganda.

  • catwoolf11 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 2:12 p.m.

    @ Lost in DC: There were 8 criminal investigations. The best legal experts could not convict Hillary of criminal negligence. They tried at enormous tax payer expense...but nothing. Having a private email server was stupid. But it wasn't criminal.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 1:39 p.m.

    catwoolf
    they didn't hack our government, they hacked hilary and the dnc. in asking about the content of the emails you are missing the point that the use of the private server was criminal, and people are currently in prison for doing less than what she did.

    BTW, there is no such thing as a non-biased medis source, so you ask the impossible.

  • jbejar West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 1:37 p.m.

    Wikileaks 100% verified with this report. @Marxist why do you argue against disclosure of the TRUTH. Hillary said there was a lot of smoke but no fire, but this report based on Russian TV 2012 says nothing we already don't know. As a computer programmer I cringe at the nefarious media peddling this story without actually inspecting the servers or using common sense. Podesta could have been hacked by a teenager. Most likely an inside job. Sorry but this report is a MSM fairy tale

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 7, 2017 1:35 p.m.

    The only group that hacked and rigged the election was the DNC. A disgruntled Bernie supporter did that.

    This whole thing is comical. The curtain has been pulled back revealing the abject corruption and evil in the Democrat party, and they still think they are fooling anyone with this Russia balogne.

    The left and their entire platform was wholly rejected this election. This is nothing but sore losers whining that it isn't fair.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 7, 2017 1:35 p.m.

    The only group that hacked and rigged the election was the DNC. A disgruntled Bernie supporter did that.

    This whole thing is comical. The curtain has been pulled back revealing the abject corruption and evil in the Democrat party, and they still think they are fooling anyone with this Russia balogne.

    The left and their entire platform was wholly rejected this election. This is nothing but sore losers whining that it isn't fair.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 7, 2017 1:04 p.m.

    Congratulations to Putin and Russia for a job well done. Did the hacking cost Clinton the election? Who knows. But, the email dribble certainly contributed to a narrative fed and sustained by heaps of false equivalency, leading many voters to say to themselves: they are both flawed, so I might as well vote for change. Historians will have fun with this election for years to come, but, for now, Garrison Keillor's words resonate: "[r]aw ego and proud illiteracy have won out and a severely learning-disabled man with a real character problem will be president." Reagan's America may have helped unravel the Soviet Union, but now Russia gets the last laugh. Congratulations Mr. Putin.

  • Elwood P. Suggins BEAVERTON, OR
    Jan. 7, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    This headline is absolutely bogus. The "AP" is not a sign of credibility among the news. It has not been for a long time. Russia had no motivation to do anything for Trump, because Hillary would be a creampuff for Russia to manipulate and enjoy--not Trump.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 12:01 p.m.

    The point of the findings is not Trump or Clinton. It is that the Russians hate the U.S. and democracy and want it gone. The United States is the largest proponent of democracy and so it is one of the main focuses of Russia, as well as the upcoming elections in Germany and France. Rather than defend to the death Mr. Trump or Ms. Clinton, it is more productive and less divisise to focus on the REAL issue here and that is the safety and security of our nation.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 11:56 a.m.

    Americans should ask themselves - what is Putin's long term objective?

    There is an abundance of evidence that Putin seeks to destabilize the United States, help stimulate divisions among Americans, turn us against each other.

    A weaker America helps to elevate Russia's stature in the world.

    It's hard to argue that Putin hasn't been successful, with this project.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    This article is from the AP so its truthfulness should be suspect. Just as the truthfulness of all News reports, regardless the source, should be questioned.

    Those accusing Russia with election tampering should demand seeing some evidence before repeating the government propaganda.

    I'm sure that Putin is pleased that Trump was elected president rather than "We came, we saw, he died! ha ha ha" Hillary. Russia does not want a military conflict with the US. Thanks to Putin it has not come to it, as much as the Obama administration is prodding to start a war.

    What news is this "Russia hacked the elections" distraction trying to block? And, BTW, Obama is designating the election system as "Critical Infrastructure". The Federal government is trying to further dissolve the sovereignty of the States.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 7, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    @Marxist: "The main truth here is this: Putin using misinformation supported the election of Donald Trump. What does this mean? What will this mean? We need to focus on this."

    Indeed.

    No one buys a marionette to simply use it as a wind chime.

  • catwoolf11 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 11:37 a.m.

    People commenting that Russia did us a favor need to stop saying that. It's a threat to America and to Americans when our "greatest geopolitical foe" hacks our government. Even if you hate Hillary, it's not okay to praise our adversaries for making us less secure.

    Plus which emails, exactly, were so corrupt? Be specific. Can you site a reliable, non-biased media source? I'm looking for the emails that showed criminal wrong doing.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Jan. 7, 2017 11:34 a.m.

    Gary-

    The republicans are the only ones that have recognized Russia as our greatest geopolitical threat. Remember, the debate? Romney? He was lambasted by Obama. As you say, don't let the facts get in your way.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 7, 2017 11:33 a.m.

    Ann Blake Tracy's comment this morning reminded me of the part of the intelligence report that talked about how Putin, et al. pays trolls to spew material designed to undermine confidence in whatever is on their agenda. During the election it was Hillary and the American election process. Always it's liberal democracy and American culture generally.

    Of course, I don't know what Ms. Tracy's affiliation, nor am I'm suggesting one. The tone of the comment just brought the report to mind and I thought I'd pass the information along.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    The unclassified version of the report is readily available. You should all get a copy and read it - today!

    The conclusions reached by the unclassified version are the same as the classified version which was used to brief Trump.

    The version we can all get does not say there was no effect of the hacking on the election.

    Trump claims the report says there was no effect on the election.

    Trump is a liar. He is a consummate and congenital liar. But then we know that from BIRTHER.

  • Sportsfan123 Salt lake, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 10:34 a.m.

    The problem i have with all of this the fact you have one side of the political spectrum that did all kinds of unethical acts to cheat and lie their way to the white house, who cares if the Russians, Chinese, assange hacked into the Dnc, all they got was truthfull and factual info of the dirty handed play of the Dnc. Hillary had to cheat and lie and commit crimes against america to gain any political advantage she could she has done this her entire career, the only thing the hacking did was to expose the truth of what she really is, a corrupt politician.
    And if the Russian put false media out there to make Hillary look bad, well and I dont feel sorry for her or you liberals for that cuz we watched and listened for 18 months all of the false and fake news put out about Trump by our very own propaganda machine the main stream media, how many fake polls about"Hillary winning every state, Trump didnt have a chance". It was all one big lie.
    Russia didnt do anything our media doesnt do already.

    Yes Trump says horrible things and I dont like him, but he isnt anywhere close to being the lying cheating corrupt politician Hillary is.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 10:34 a.m.

    ...and we just decided to wait and see rather than take action in September.

    By the way, did we happen to mention that we are getting pink slipped on January 20th

    Ah...the swamp at Foggy Bottom.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 10:18 a.m.

    For 60 years our CIA created by President General Eisenhower has disrupted elections around the world.

    Why don't we stop disrupting other countries elections?

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 7, 2017 10:15 a.m.

    This report does not answer whether Russian interests and those of Trump supporters will remained aligned now that their common purpose has been achieved? Or if there a net benefit to America if Putin exerts his influence over the next 4 years than if Trump were left to this own addled devices?

    Sure, America cannot expect Putin to save us from the domestic nonsense Trump-Ryan-McConnell try to deliver. An Russia's initial objectives (lift sanctions and boosting oil revenue) appear to be met with Trump's appointment of Tillerson.

    But in two weeks, responsibility over America's nuclear arsenal will pass to someone who behaves erratically and incoherently.

    No American -- no mere citizen, no corporate titan, no GOP Senate or House member -- can predict, much less control, what someone as historically unfit as Trump will do.

    Our saving grace? Putin and Russia stand to lose as much as the rest of us if Trump goes off the deep end.

    If Putin keeps Trump on a very short lease on this specific question, we all benefit.

    If Putin demands a more moderate pick for SCOTUS than GOP want, well that is icing on the cake.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 9:40 a.m.

    @Max "If Hillary wasn't so corrupt, there would have been nothing to reveal."

    There is some truth to this. But the Russians added to this treasure trove with a lot of false narrative which they peddled through the online media. Though I am not a Democrat I did support Bernie Sanders and I was greatly angered with the bad behavior of Clinton and the DNC toward him revealed in the hacks.

    But the Russian portrayal of Clinton was much worse than reality.

    You Trump folk live in a perfectly bifurcated world, liberal vs conservative, Republican vs Democrat. One is on one team or the other. Attacking one side means worshiping the other.

    As a Marxist I can look in from the outside and see the foolishness of both sides.

    The main truth here is this: Putin using misinformation supported the election of Donald Trump. What does this mean? What will this mean? We need to focus on this.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 9:34 a.m.

    @Ann Blake Tracy
    Russian Times--you mean the propaganda tool of the Russian gov.?
    "For much of 2015, graduate students at Columbia School of Journalism took part in the RT Watch project, monitoring RT's (US) output. Casey Michel, who worked on the project, wrote "RT ignores the inherent traits of journalism—checking sources, relaying facts, attempting honest reportage" and "you’ll find 'experts' lacking in expertise, conspiracy
    theories without backing, and, from time to time, outright fabrication for the sake of pushing a pro-Kremlin line".

    (Somewhat like people representing they've earned a degree but actually didn't do the coursework for the degree)

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    @pwlohse - Dueren, 00
    Jan. 7, 2017 2:39 a.m.

    So now it is official - Putin meddled with the US election in favor of Trump. Had he done so in favor of Clinton what would the reaction be? Republicans are so tongue-twisted about the situation they do not seem to realize that America was attacked. Where is the outrage, the condemnation over what has happened?

    =======

    That's called putting PARTY over principles, Nation and Constitution.

    True Patriots would never do it.
    but traitors do it all the time.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 7, 2017 8:52 a.m.

    Hey John Jackson -

    "The vote counting was not tampered with? That is one of the findings of the report.

    WRONG

    The report never made that finding at all.

    That's just more of the fake news beloved by "Conservatives."

    Facts are facts. Our "greatest geopolitical foe" knows that Republican leadership weakens this nation. That's why they want Republicans in power here.

    Putin LOVES dealing with a weakened America.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 8:44 a.m.

    All the rationalizations in the world won't convince me that the results of this election aren't tainted.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    The vote counting was not tampered with? That is one of the findings of the report. Most every direction I looked yesterday, someone was saying no one questions the vote totals. I wonder, though. To me, if you were trying to influence the election, it would be natural enough to try to sabotage a few computers. You probably wouldn't catch too many, for you would need install the malware physically. To be able to gain that type of access in too many places is understandably to be questioned. On the flip side, you might be able to do it without leaving much evidence behind. The malware erases itself when the polls close. Recounting the votes? Paper printouts would reflect the votes tallied (supposing the malware changed the vote before the printout). So, a recount would show nothing. Now, if there is no or little way of uncovering the vote-tampering, the Intelligence Community might shy from even making the accusation. Intel officials might be reflecting on how they once suggested weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, only for it to end up there was no evidence.

  • Ann Blake Tracy Henderson, NV
    Jan. 7, 2017 8:32 a.m.

    "Intelligence agencies"??? In America?!! Seems anyone paying attention would have noticed that anything fitting that description became obsolete decades ago!

    And when it comes to a news source worldwide no one can beat the Russian Times! They do an excellent job of keeping the world informed where American "news" is for sell to the biggest advertisers. (If you chew on that idea for a minute and couple it with the fact that American doctors admit that 80% of them get their info on new medications from the news media, you just might figure out why prescription medications, taken as prescribed, has claimed the #3 spot as the leading cause of death in America for the past three decades DRUG TOPICS, October 23, 1995, pg. 14-16.)

    And Wikileaks has done more to protect this country with their reporting and warning of potential corruption and threats than the FBI and the CIA have done in decades. And what has been America's response? We have basically imprisoned Julian Assange for years - enough to make any thinking American ashamed any more to admit they are American!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 8:20 a.m.

    I went through the posts, they say the Russians did us a favour, it didn't affect the outcome, the DNC wrote bad things in their emails, this is why Snowden defected (it wasn't), something to do with Hillary's private server (nope), etc.
    None of that is the point.
    The point is that our electoral system, and therefore our national sovereignty, was attacked by a now identified foreign government with the express intent to influence the outcome of the election. We can argue till the cows return as to whether or not it had any effect but that isn't the point.
    The intent was there, and the attack carried out. Shouldn't we be concerned about it? Shouldn't our president elect be concerned about it?

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Jan. 7, 2017 7:54 a.m.

    LDS liberal-

    Where was your concern about Russia 4 years ago when Romney called them our biggest geopolitical threat and Obama accused him of trying to recreate the Cold War?

    Your concern should have been with BHO and his lack of concern in many foreign affairs. Calling ISIS the JV team. Dismissing Russia. Benghazi. Libya. And Clinton was involved in every crisis.

    Your concern should have been with HRC and her inability to secure and protect classified information and her private server. Instead she didn't follow the rules. Are you concerned what info the Russians have because of their hacks on her personal private server.? What info did she carelessly and foolishly give them?

    They hypocrisy of liberals is astounding.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 7:52 a.m.

    thanks Vlad, but you should have registered as a PAC. if the report is true, you likely only provided a small counterbalance to the us media, which was heavily slanted in hilary's favor

    those who don't think we do the same are naive. goes back to the Monroe Doctrine, on with Radio Free Europe, and continues today. you don't think we try to influence elections in Venezuela and other corrupt dictatorships? or even russia for that matter?

    we also need to realize the report was put together by idealogues BO appointed.

    the only reason Vlad was successful was hilary and the dnc gave him so much material to work with.

    bluemoon,
    smarter than the dnc, at least, and exposed their ineptness and crookedness. I think you meant "than" instead of "then"

    ld lib
    trump could have condemned putin in the strongest terms possible and you'd still be mad at trump because vlad made hilary a russian stooge.

  • hobblecreek CA, 00
    Jan. 7, 2017 7:29 a.m.

    There are facts. Russia did influence the election. They had an agenda and manipulated it well. It will be impossible to determine whether or not it affected the outcome of the election because that is a variable that can't be concretely verified. That variable will allow both parties to cast doubt. Each side will have their opinion. What is distressing now is watching the same tactics of information manipulation perpetrated by the Russians being embraced with such fortitude by the new administration. Truth and facts are irrelevant. This does not bode well for the Republican Party. This does not bode well for the Democratic Party.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 7, 2017 7:28 a.m.

    So they've dropped the hacking claims and are simply settling on Russia "influencing" the election.

    I'm having a hard time understanding what the big deal is. Hillary was threatening WW3 with Russia, why wouldn't the Russian people do everything to avoid such an outcome?

    Nations try to influence other nations all the time to comply with their will. America has done it over and over all around the world.

    Ultimately it was a good thing. We're all better off knowing that the Democrats have been rigging elections for decades. Their own people admitted to it on recording.

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    Jan. 7, 2017 6:03 a.m.

    Ok, lets do a little reality check here. While I agree that the US should retaliate for activity like this, and Trump should not undermine our own Intelligence agencies just to sooth his own ego about the election, Russia didn't determine the results of this election.

    This kind of behavior has been around for decades. The US has used the very same tactics against Russia and its satellite nation such as Cuba. How long has he US been broadcasting "news" into Cuba and North Korea? And yes, the US hacked our enemies, and our friends alike. Not saying it is right, but it is what has been done.

    Trump leveraged much of the negative messages to make Americans unhappy with their current condition, seeking regime change. Again, a tactic used in US elections for centuries. Russian spawned faux news and Trumps constant selling that America is in bad shape made for a perfect storm.

    But all candidates have had to face such "negative' messages before, and Hillary just did a horrible job of countering those message. She failed to provide an alternative vision other than her being the first female US president. She owns her own loss.

  • Max Upstate, NY
    Jan. 7, 2017 5:57 a.m.

    If Hillary wasn't so corrupt, there would have been nothing to reveal.

  • Thomas Thompson SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 5:51 a.m.

    The really bad news is that Russia has the technological capability to hack into the computers of our own political parties and their leaders. It does, however, raise an interesting question: do we also have such a capability, and are we using it? I rather hope the answers are "yes" and "yes."

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 7, 2017 3:32 a.m.

    I think the American people should express their preferences, and we'll accept their choice.

    Vladimir Putin

  • pwlohse Dueren, 00
    Jan. 7, 2017 2:39 a.m.

    So now it is official - Putin meddled with the US election in favor of Trump. Had he done so in favor of Clinton what would the reaction be? Republicans are so tongue-twisted about the situation they do not seem to realize that America was attacked. Where is the outrage, the condemnation over what has happened? I hope that no one believes that Trump buddying up with Putin is somehow going to make the world safer. It will not. After Geogia and Ukraine, Putin's eyes are now trained on the Baltic states. This will be the next contested region. Under Trump's leadership will NATO back them or back down?

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Jan. 7, 2017 2:01 a.m.

    Even after our intelligence agencies said that Russia instituted the computer hacking attacks, that they did so to disparage and weaken Hillary Clinton, and that they wanted Donald Trump to be elected, Trump could not bring himself to mention Russia in his statement.

    Trump used the emails provided by Russian hackers to WikiLeaks as the major part of his election victory over Hillary, his supporters refer to these emails and the major factor in their condemnation of Hillary, yet he will not admit that the Russians helped him in winning the election because he doesn't want to offend his bromance with Vladimir Putin and whatever business arrangements, blackmail hold, or other connection he shares with the Russians.

    Simple as that. Now we have Republicans aligning themselves with Russia despite the warnings of Ronald Reagan. Favoring Russian interests over American interest is true folly and makes one wonder whose side they are really on, how much of their soul they are willing to sell to get a Supreme Court nominee. Trump will give Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan headaches they could never have contemplated.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 1:58 a.m.

    Democrats can't come to grips with their loss. Why would Russia want to displace Clinton? She sold a Russian business part of America's uranium storage as Secretary of State. In return they gave her foundation 25 million. It would seem like she would be easier to deal with.

    So far all they have released is allegations, and no proof. But then that's all they have to do, is cast dispersion, and blame someone else.

  • Sportsfan123 Salt lake, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 1:17 a.m.

    @lds commi
    @marxist(communist)

    This is hilarious reading your post's absolutely where is the evidence that any hacking of the vote counting is there? None. If the DNC was fullish enough to allow for an outsider to hack their system well that is on them, and the information they found wasnt made up it was factual information of the dirty deeds of the Democratic party. All of the info pulled off of those emails was regarding Padesta and his attempts to totally screw up Bernie sanders bid for the democratic nomination, and all of his shinanigans to try and disrupt the Trump campaign with hiring paid protestors to cause fights at Trump rally's.

    All this hacking did is simply bring out the truth of how currupt the DNC is, infact Hillary made it really easy to have all kinds of sensitive info available to any hacker by having her private email server which she denied how many times in public. Then she had to say uncle and admit she did do it, and they still let her off the hook.

    How does it feel putting your hopes in a candidate that got played by the Russians doing her own dirty game, I would feel betrayed if I were a liberal.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 1:14 a.m.

    Several points to think about: 1) Undoubtedly Russia did hack Clinton's Email server, but wasn't that the issue about her using her own server in the first place? 2) Didn't Snowden defect from the USA to Russia over this same issue? I wonder how much intel Snowden gave the Russians? 3) While the USA may or may not use intelligence gained from cyber spying, we know that the NSA has done the same thing, don't we? 4) While this is a bit off topic the real question we should be asking is how in the world both major parties came up with such awful candidates in the first place?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 12:35 a.m.

    Like many, I am slowly getting a picture of what is going on.

    I think the following scenario matches up with the facts:

    One thing is for sure - Putin is the man. He is skillfully using the various media to break up the European Union and NATO. He is doing this by changing election outcomes all over Europe through his well crafted media campaign. In this he is taking advantage of discontent among working class people who are disadvantaged by top heavy distributions of wealth and income. Putin's tactics have also worked here in the United States, as we are all painfully aware.

    One thing I don't understand - how does Putin sell himself to the Russian people?

    Putin in large part has installed a worshipful sycophant as president of the United States.

    We are at a dangerous pivot point in our history. I believe our very lives are at risk. Despite Trump's attacks on newspapers, the fourth estate must hang tough. The Deseret News must hang tough. Our lives depend on it.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 7, 2017 12:21 a.m.

    Whoever hacked the DNC and Hillary did this country a favor. They exposed the lies and the corruption that is and has gone on for years with HER and the Democratic party. By the grace of God, this country will be spared her being the POTUS.

    We have been deceived for years now. It is time for new leadership. Although not perfect, Donald Trump is light years ahead of the crooked politics to which we have been subjected.

    God bless America. God bless our new president and protect him from stalking evil as he works to put this country back on the correct course. He won't be perfect, I know. However, I pray that he will be successful as he leads in his great love for this country. That, we haven't had in a leader for 8 long years!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 7, 2017 12:00 a.m.

    Democrats, meet Bob! Bob voted for Trump not because the Russians told him to but because Bob made the choice for himself. Bob is friends with Sally. Sally voted for Hillary, inspite of the Russian's. Bob and Sally are still friends because they are both rational adults. Be like Bob and Sally!

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 6, 2017 11:52 p.m.

    If Hillary, and the DNC hadn't committed the crime of rigging/cheating Bernie, and the American people, --the hacking wouldn't be in the news.

    This country was founded on elections by the people, and not fraud.

    Hillary should have been disqualified, and incarcerated.

    This was disrespectful of America which she wanted to represent? Shameful.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 6, 2017 10:45 p.m.

    As angry as I am about the Russian hackings,

    I'm even MORE angry at the attitude of the next POTUS for:

    1. taking the Russians side
    2. defending them rather than us
    3. attacking OUR Intelligence agencies
    4. Putting Trump's interests ahead of ALL of America's

    A Russian stooge.
    Not a good sign...

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2017 10:34 p.m.

    From the report:

    “We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.”

    In this razor thin election, Putin's campaign through personal media likely provided the margin necessary for Trump's victory. We will be trying to process this awful truth for a long time. This is a pivot point in our history, the dimensions of which are unclear.

  • BlueMoonOden Wilmette, IL
    Jan. 6, 2017 10:24 p.m.

    Putin is much smarter then anyone America is. He has made America look inept. Russia is coming back.