i wonder who the russians were trying to get elected when it was Reagan vs
Carter, Reagan vs Mondale... the Bush family vs. whoever... yeah that's
what I thought
"US report: Putin ordered effort to help Trump, hurt Clinton"Thank you Mr. Putin!!!!
Mick - Murray, UtahJan. 8, 2017 3:57 p.m.A bit too much Rush
Limbaugh and Sean Hannity."Also, all you who blame Trump for
being a "Russian in disguise." Relax. We'll just have
to see what the latest information is forthcoming investigating this
development. Apparently Russians allegedly has compromising information on
Donald Trump acquired over the last five years. We need confirmation or should
we disregard it?"Are you also blaming Obama for being an
"Iranian in disguise?" No. You forget that several other
nations are involved in the Iranian deal. Also, the money belongs to the
Iranians. It was confiscated when the Shah was deposed. Now, the Obama
administration is giving it back per agreement.
If as Trump says that Russia is our friend, and we should trust them, then why
are we now building up the Navy's fleet? To protect us from who? Mexico?
It can't be China nor Iran, because those are both Russian allies. Syria
too. So who is this threat we are building this new Navy to protect us
from.The inconsistencies here in message are mind bending. We have
here comments that those who created this report must be traitors. That Assange
is a better source than is our own national security teams. That if Trump lost,
the system was in his own words "rigged", but if he won, there is no
chance of outside interference. The breeding of distrust in our
own nation by so called patriotic conservatives is just hard to understand. I
am concerned that loyalties have shifted from Nation, to party. It is a vey
dangerous path to head down.Trump wanting peace with Russia is an
honorable thing. But blindly trusting Russia over our own interest is foolish
To all liberals- The Russians not only rigged the election, they
also have an amazing crystal ball. They are the only ones on earth who truly
thought Trump would win. We should all be more afraid of the crystal ball.They were most likely trying to make Hillary look even more weak than
they made her look when she was Secretary of State. And they could take
advantage of that when she became president.Also, all you who blame
Trump for being a "Russian in disguise." Are you also blaming Obama for
being an "Iranian in disguise?" With his deal he has given an enemy
sworn to wipe Israel and the west off the map, billions of dollars.Liberal hypocrisy strikes again
Hey John Jackson -"For GaryO. Let me quote from the declassified
report. "DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or
compromised were not involved in vote tallying."So, I wonder if I
should just give up on my thought that the Russians might have hacked the voting
machines. Without knowing why our Intelligence Community concluded the Russians
didn't sabotage the election machines, I remain skeptical."I also remain skeptical. The motives of the Russians are quite clear. They
wanted Trump and other Republicans to gain power and thus weaken America.I see no reason why they would limit their cyber-war. If they had the
means to hack voting machines, then they certainly would have done so.Our intelligence community, using the technology available to them,
apparently sees no compelling evidence of that. BUT . . . The
Russians are masters of deception and subterfuge, aren't they?
For GaryO. Let me quote from the declassified report. "DHS assesses that the
types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in
vote tallying."So, I wonder if I should just give up on my thought
that the Russians might have hacked the voting machines. Without knowing why our
Intelligence Community concluded the Russians didn't sabotage the election
machines, I remain skeptical. Part of my wondering comes from the polls being
off in so many states. In Utah, for example, we had something like an 8-point
spread between what the polls predicted and what happened. The pollsters give
themselves something like a 5-point spread, so our spread was like 3 points
beyond the margin of error. Given that we know the Russians were trying to
influence our election, yes, things like what happened in Utah do raise my
eyebrow. I confess, though, I don't even know how often polls exceed their
margins of error. Maybe it's common.
"How would it be if Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, and our President said
-- 'get over it. move on'?'In fact, We need to be better
friends with Empire Japan.'"That behavior perfectly
describes Obama and his reaction to terrorism.Also, don't you
think it's at least a little suspicious that when the FBI requested the
hacked server from the DNC, they refused? Hmmm..... Besides, U.S.
intelligence doesn't exactly have the greatest track record at the moment.
As of now, for all we know --Those who side with Donald Trump,
protect Donald Trump, make excuses for Donald Trump......could ALL be foreign spies, foreign trolls, fake news and propaganda agents
of the Russian KGB.I love OUR country - not Russian and certainly
not Vladimir Putin! I will play it safe from now on, and I
assume those protecting Trump from these MULTIPLE intelligence reports are
foreign agents, and hope they are not American traitors...
Does Trump want to cooperate with Russia as a small or large favor repayment?
Never forget that what we are talking about here is the release of actual,
authentic emails exposing democrats engaging in underhanded, dishonest and
reprehensible political activities. Under any other circumstance someone who did
this would have been called a whistle-blower. And as a matter of
perspective, if Putin would have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars
to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm
here in the US to meddle with our elections, he would have done exactly what
Obama did in the last Israeli parliamentary election in an effort to oust Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Dear Work and other of that ilk,friends, relax about the Mr. Trump being
the next POTUS, he will be inaugurated as president in a few days. That is not
in doubt or in question. The problem here is not even Donald Trump but his blind
followers.If the Russians or any other country meddle in the U.S.
elections then something has to be done.We know Donald Trump, his
limited abilities and over egocentrism. What concerns me is that our check and
balances are rendered totally ineffective if the people of this country decides
that our Republican leaders can do NO wrong and therefore become
"unaccountable" to us.Donald Trump has lied to us, but we
know he is a liar. He is who he is. What is sad, that many of his followers
excuse him out of hate not for what it is the option but for what " it was
and option" some short time ago.
The veracity of the emails' content is not in question. It is ironic that
telling the truth about the DNC, John Podesta and Hillary Clinton would help
Hey Lost in DC -"they didn't hack our government, they
hacked hilary and the dnc. in asking about the content of the emails you are
missing the point that the use of the private server was criminal . . . "Russia's hacking of the DNC violated American laws. THAT is
criminal.Donald Trump himself very publicly INVITED the Russians, a
malevolent foreign power, to illegally intercede on the behalf of Republicans.
THAT is not only criminal, it is treasonous.According to
investigators, the Russians also hacked Republicans. But the Russians, in the
interest of harming only Democrats, never divulged any of those hacked
Republican emails.Face the facts: The Russians colluded with
Republican strategists to defame Hillary Clinton, a stunningly competent public
servant, so that the blustering, bombastic Donald Trump, the most dishonest
politician ever to run for President, would take power here in America.
Can't trust the social media.
LDS Liberal,So now it is official - Hillary, and DNC meddled with
the US election against Bernie.How would Democrats feel if
Republicans had did that?Some folks are so bias, they become blind
to what really matters.America was mocked!
I wish/hope President Donald Trump will be a really strong leader and send a
message to foreign leaders that this will not stand.Drone strike
Putin!! Tell the world that no one is allowed to mess with our democracy.
How would it be if Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, and our President said --
"get over it. move on"?"In fact, We need to be better friends
with Empire Japan."This was a cyber-attack, by a silent enemy
who has not declared war.Trump is playing the stooge here.He
is a Russian Puppet.The Intelligence reports show that the Russian
KGB indirectly uses others to not get blamed themselves.I would not
be the least bit surprised, if the Russians were arming or helping ISIS
groups for another 9/11 attack on the U.S. at this very moment.....
So we now know that the Russians employed trolls on social media to spread fake
news stories.Seems like we may have some of them working on this
board as well. At the very least there seems to be a bunch of folks that were
led to believe the Russian troll fake news and seem all too happy to do their
bidding on this site as well as Facebook.Really, if you love the USA
- please stop spreading Russian propaganda.
@ Lost in DC: There were 8 criminal investigations. The best legal experts could
not convict Hillary of criminal negligence. They tried at enormous tax payer
expense...but nothing. Having a private email server was stupid. But it
catwoolfthey didn't hack our government, they hacked hilary and the
dnc. in asking about the content of the emails you are missing the point that
the use of the private server was criminal, and people are currently in prison
for doing less than what she did. BTW, there is no such thing as a
non-biased medis source, so you ask the impossible.
Wikileaks 100% verified with this report. @Marxist why do you argue against
disclosure of the TRUTH. Hillary said there was a lot of smoke but no fire, but
this report based on Russian TV 2012 says nothing we already don't know. As
a computer programmer I cringe at the nefarious media peddling this story
without actually inspecting the servers or using common sense. Podesta could
have been hacked by a teenager. Most likely an inside job. Sorry but this report
is a MSM fairy tale
The only group that hacked and rigged the election was the DNC. A disgruntled
Bernie supporter did that.This whole thing is comical. The curtain
has been pulled back revealing the abject corruption and evil in the Democrat
party, and they still think they are fooling anyone with this Russia balogne.The left and their entire platform was wholly rejected this election.
This is nothing but sore losers whining that it isn't fair.
Congratulations to Putin and Russia for a job well done. Did the hacking cost
Clinton the election? Who knows. But, the email dribble certainly contributed to
a narrative fed and sustained by heaps of false equivalency, leading many voters
to say to themselves: they are both flawed, so I might as well vote for change.
Historians will have fun with this election for years to come, but, for now,
Garrison Keillor's words resonate: "[r]aw ego and proud illiteracy have
won out and a severely learning-disabled man with a real character problem will
be president." Reagan's America may have helped unravel the Soviet
Union, but now Russia gets the last laugh. Congratulations Mr. Putin.
This headline is absolutely bogus. The "AP" is not a sign of
credibility among the news. It has not been for a long time. Russia had no
motivation to do anything for Trump, because Hillary would be a creampuff for
Russia to manipulate and enjoy--not Trump.
The point of the findings is not Trump or Clinton. It is that the Russians hate
the U.S. and democracy and want it gone. The United States is the largest
proponent of democracy and so it is one of the main focuses of Russia, as well
as the upcoming elections in Germany and France. Rather than defend to the death
Mr. Trump or Ms. Clinton, it is more productive and less divisise to focus on
the REAL issue here and that is the safety and security of our nation.
Americans should ask themselves - what is Putin's long term objective?There is an abundance of evidence that Putin seeks to destabilize the
United States, help stimulate divisions among Americans, turn us against each
other.A weaker America helps to elevate Russia's stature in the
world.It's hard to argue that Putin hasn't been
successful, with this project.
This article is from the AP so its truthfulness should be suspect. Just as the
truthfulness of all News reports, regardless the source, should be
questioned.Those accusing Russia with election tampering should
demand seeing some evidence before repeating the government propaganda.I'm sure that Putin is pleased that Trump was elected president rather
than "We came, we saw, he died! ha ha ha" Hillary. Russia does not want
a military conflict with the US. Thanks to Putin it has not come to it, as much
as the Obama administration is prodding to start a war.What news is
this "Russia hacked the elections" distraction trying to block? And,
BTW, Obama is designating the election system as "Critical
Infrastructure". The Federal government is trying to further dissolve the
sovereignty of the States.
@Marxist: "The main truth here is this: Putin using misinformation supported
the election of Donald Trump. What does this mean? What will this mean? We need
to focus on this."Indeed.No one buys a marionette to
simply use it as a wind chime.
People commenting that Russia did us a favor need to stop saying that. It's
a threat to America and to Americans when our "greatest geopolitical
foe" hacks our government. Even if you hate Hillary, it's not okay to
praise our adversaries for making us less secure. Plus which emails,
exactly, were so corrupt? Be specific. Can you site a reliable, non-biased media
source? I'm looking for the emails that showed criminal wrong doing.
Gary-The republicans are the only ones that have recognized Russia
as our greatest geopolitical threat. Remember, the debate? Romney? He was
lambasted by Obama. As you say, don't let the facts get in your way.
Ann Blake Tracy's comment this morning reminded me of the part of the
intelligence report that talked about how Putin, et al. pays trolls to spew
material designed to undermine confidence in whatever is on their agenda.
During the election it was Hillary and the American election process. Always
it's liberal democracy and American culture generally.Of
course, I don't know what Ms. Tracy's affiliation, nor am I'm
suggesting one. The tone of the comment just brought the report to mind and I
thought I'd pass the information along.
The unclassified version of the report is readily available. You should all get
a copy and read it - today!The conclusions reached by the
unclassified version are the same as the classified version which was used to
brief Trump.The version we can all get does not say there was no
effect of the hacking on the election.Trump claims the report says
there was no effect on the election.Trump is a liar. He is a
consummate and congenital liar. But then we know that from BIRTHER.
The problem i have with all of this the fact you have one side of the political
spectrum that did all kinds of unethical acts to cheat and lie their way to the
white house, who cares if the Russians, Chinese, assange hacked into the Dnc,
all they got was truthfull and factual info of the dirty handed play of the Dnc.
Hillary had to cheat and lie and commit crimes against america to gain any
political advantage she could she has done this her entire career, the only
thing the hacking did was to expose the truth of what she really is, a corrupt
politician.And if the Russian put false media out there to make Hillary
look bad, well and I dont feel sorry for her or you liberals for that cuz we
watched and listened for 18 months all of the false and fake news put out about
Trump by our very own propaganda machine the main stream media, how many fake
polls about"Hillary winning every state, Trump didnt have a chance". It
was all one big lie.Russia didnt do anything our media doesnt do
already.Yes Trump says horrible things and I dont like him, but he
isnt anywhere close to being the lying cheating corrupt politician Hillary is.
...and we just decided to wait and see rather than take action in September.By the way, did we happen to mention that we are getting pink slipped
on January 20thAh...the swamp at Foggy Bottom.
For 60 years our CIA created by President General Eisenhower has disrupted
elections around the world.Why don't we stop disrupting other
This report does not answer whether Russian interests and those of Trump
supporters will remained aligned now that their common purpose has been
achieved? Or if there a net benefit to America if Putin exerts his influence
over the next 4 years than if Trump were left to this own addled devices? Sure, America cannot expect Putin to save us from the domestic nonsense
Trump-Ryan-McConnell try to deliver. An Russia's initial objectives (lift
sanctions and boosting oil revenue) appear to be met with Trump's
appointment of Tillerson. But in two weeks, responsibility over
America's nuclear arsenal will pass to someone who behaves erratically and
incoherently. No American -- no mere citizen, no corporate titan,
no GOP Senate or House member -- can predict, much less control, what someone as
historically unfit as Trump will do. Our saving grace? Putin and
Russia stand to lose as much as the rest of us if Trump goes off the deep end.
If Putin keeps Trump on a very short lease on this specific
question, we all benefit.If Putin demands a more moderate pick for
SCOTUS than GOP want, well that is icing on the cake.
@Max "If Hillary wasn't so corrupt, there would have been nothing to
reveal."There is some truth to this. But the Russians added to
this treasure trove with a lot of false narrative which they peddled through the
online media. Though I am not a Democrat I did support Bernie Sanders and I was
greatly angered with the bad behavior of Clinton and the DNC toward him revealed
in the hacks.But the Russian portrayal of Clinton was much worse
than reality.You Trump folk live in a perfectly bifurcated world,
liberal vs conservative, Republican vs Democrat. One is on one team or the
other. Attacking one side means worshiping the other. As a Marxist
I can look in from the outside and see the foolishness of both sides. The main truth here is this: Putin using misinformation supported the
election of Donald Trump. What does this mean? What will this mean? We need
to focus on this.
@Ann Blake TracyRussian Times--you mean the propaganda tool of the Russian
gov.?"For much of 2015, graduate students at Columbia School of
Journalism took part in the RT Watch project, monitoring RT's (US) output.
Casey Michel, who worked on the project, wrote "RT ignores the inherent
traits of journalism—checking sources, relaying facts, attempting honest
reportage" and "you’ll find 'experts' lacking in
expertise, conspiracytheories without backing, and, from time to time,
outright fabrication for the sake of pushing a pro-Kremlin line".(Somewhat like people representing they've earned a degree but actually
didn't do the coursework for the degree)
@pwlohse - Dueren, 00Jan. 7, 2017 2:39 a.m.So now it is
official - Putin meddled with the US election in favor of Trump. Had he done so
in favor of Clinton what would the reaction be? Republicans are so
tongue-twisted about the situation they do not seem to realize that America was
attacked. Where is the outrage, the condemnation over what has happened?=======That's called putting PARTY over principles,
Nation and Constitution.True Patriots would never do it.but
traitors do it all the time.
Hey John Jackson -"The vote counting was not tampered with? That
is one of the findings of the report.WRONGThe report
never made that finding at all.That's just more of the fake
news beloved by "Conservatives."Facts are facts. Our
"greatest geopolitical foe" knows that Republican leadership weakens
this nation. That's why they want Republicans in power here.Putin LOVES dealing with a weakened America.
All the rationalizations in the world won't convince me that the results of
this election aren't tainted.
The vote counting was not tampered with? That is one of the findings of the
report. Most every direction I looked yesterday, someone was saying no one
questions the vote totals. I wonder, though. To me, if you were trying to
influence the election, it would be natural enough to try to sabotage a few
computers. You probably wouldn't catch too many, for you would need install
the malware physically. To be able to gain that type of access in too many
places is understandably to be questioned. On the flip side, you might be able
to do it without leaving much evidence behind. The malware erases itself when
the polls close. Recounting the votes? Paper printouts would reflect the votes
tallied (supposing the malware changed the vote before the printout). So, a
recount would show nothing. Now, if there is no or little way of uncovering the
vote-tampering, the Intelligence Community might shy from even making the
accusation. Intel officials might be reflecting on how they once suggested
weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, only for it to end up there was no
"Intelligence agencies"??? In America?!! Seems anyone paying attention
would have noticed that anything fitting that description became obsolete
decades ago! And when it comes to a news source worldwide no one can
beat the Russian Times! They do an excellent job of keeping the world informed
where American "news" is for sell to the biggest advertisers. (If you
chew on that idea for a minute and couple it with the fact that American doctors
admit that 80% of them get their info on new medications from the news media,
you just might figure out why prescription medications, taken as prescribed, has
claimed the #3 spot as the leading cause of death in America for the past three
decades DRUG TOPICS, October 23, 1995, pg. 14-16.)And Wikileaks has
done more to protect this country with their reporting and warning of potential
corruption and threats than the FBI and the CIA have done in decades. And what
has been America's response? We have basically imprisoned Julian Assange
for years - enough to make any thinking American ashamed any more to admit they
I went through the posts, they say the Russians did us a favour, it didn't
affect the outcome, the DNC wrote bad things in their emails, this is why
Snowden defected (it wasn't), something to do with Hillary's private
server (nope), etc. None of that is the point. The point is that our
electoral system, and therefore our national sovereignty, was attacked by a now
identified foreign government with the express intent to influence the outcome
of the election. We can argue till the cows return as to whether or not it had
any effect but that isn't the point. The intent was there, and the
attack carried out. Shouldn't we be concerned about it? Shouldn't our
president elect be concerned about it?
LDS liberal-Where was your concern about Russia 4 years ago when
Romney called them our biggest geopolitical threat and Obama accused him of
trying to recreate the Cold War? Your concern should have been with
BHO and his lack of concern in many foreign affairs. Calling ISIS the JV team.
Dismissing Russia. Benghazi. Libya. And Clinton was involved in every
crisis.Your concern should have been with HRC and her inability to
secure and protect classified information and her private server. Instead she
didn't follow the rules. Are you concerned what info the Russians have
because of their hacks on her personal private server.? What info did she
carelessly and foolishly give them?They hypocrisy of liberals is
thanks Vlad, but you should have registered as a PAC. if the report is true, you
likely only provided a small counterbalance to the us media, which was heavily
slanted in hilary's favorthose who don't think we do the
same are naive. goes back to the Monroe Doctrine, on with Radio Free Europe, and
continues today. you don't think we try to influence elections in Venezuela
and other corrupt dictatorships? or even russia for that matter?we
also need to realize the report was put together by idealogues BO appointed.the only reason Vlad was successful was hilary and the dnc gave him so
much material to work with.bluemoon,smarter than the dnc, at
least, and exposed their ineptness and crookedness. I think you meant
"than" instead of "then"ld libtrump could have
condemned putin in the strongest terms possible and you'd still be mad at
trump because vlad made hilary a russian stooge.
There are facts. Russia did influence the election. They had an agenda and
manipulated it well. It will be impossible to determine whether or not it
affected the outcome of the election because that is a variable that can't
be concretely verified. That variable will allow both parties to cast doubt.
Each side will have their opinion. What is distressing now is watching the same
tactics of information manipulation perpetrated by the Russians being embraced
with such fortitude by the new administration. Truth and facts are irrelevant.
This does not bode well for the Republican Party. This does not bode well for
the Democratic Party.
So they've dropped the hacking claims and are simply settling on Russia
"influencing" the election.I'm having a hard time
understanding what the big deal is. Hillary was threatening WW3 with Russia,
why wouldn't the Russian people do everything to avoid such an outcome?Nations try to influence other nations all the time to comply with their
will. America has done it over and over all around the world.Ultimately it was a good thing. We're all better off knowing that the
Democrats have been rigging elections for decades. Their own people admitted to
it on recording.
Ok, lets do a little reality check here. While I agree that the US should
retaliate for activity like this, and Trump should not undermine our own
Intelligence agencies just to sooth his own ego about the election, Russia
didn't determine the results of this election.This kind of
behavior has been around for decades. The US has used the very same tactics
against Russia and its satellite nation such as Cuba. How long has he US been
broadcasting "news" into Cuba and North Korea? And yes, the US hacked
our enemies, and our friends alike. Not saying it is right, but it is what has
been done.Trump leveraged much of the negative messages to make
Americans unhappy with their current condition, seeking regime change. Again,
a tactic used in US elections for centuries. Russian spawned faux news and
Trumps constant selling that America is in bad shape made for a perfect
storm.But all candidates have had to face such "negative'
messages before, and Hillary just did a horrible job of countering those
message. She failed to provide an alternative vision other than her being the
first female US president. She owns her own loss.
If Hillary wasn't so corrupt, there would have been nothing to reveal.
The really bad news is that Russia has the technological capability to hack into
the computers of our own political parties and their leaders. It does, however,
raise an interesting question: do we also have such a capability, and are we
using it? I rather hope the answers are "yes" and "yes."
I think the American people should express their preferences, and we'll
accept their choice. Vladimir Putin
So now it is official - Putin meddled with the US election in favor of Trump.
Had he done so in favor of Clinton what would the reaction be? Republicans are
so tongue-twisted about the situation they do not seem to realize that America
was attacked. Where is the outrage, the condemnation over what has happened? I
hope that no one believes that Trump buddying up with Putin is somehow going to
make the world safer. It will not. After Geogia and Ukraine, Putin's eyes
are now trained on the Baltic states. This will be the next contested region.
Under Trump's leadership will NATO back them or back down?
Even after our intelligence agencies said that Russia instituted the computer
hacking attacks, that they did so to disparage and weaken Hillary Clinton, and
that they wanted Donald Trump to be elected, Trump could not bring himself to
mention Russia in his statement.Trump used the emails provided by
Russian hackers to WikiLeaks as the major part of his election victory over
Hillary, his supporters refer to these emails and the major factor in their
condemnation of Hillary, yet he will not admit that the Russians helped him in
winning the election because he doesn't want to offend his bromance with
Vladimir Putin and whatever business arrangements, blackmail hold, or other
connection he shares with the Russians.Simple as that. Now we have
Republicans aligning themselves with Russia despite the warnings of Ronald
Reagan. Favoring Russian interests over American interest is true folly and
makes one wonder whose side they are really on, how much of their soul they are
willing to sell to get a Supreme Court nominee. Trump will give Mitch McConnell
and Paul Ryan headaches they could never have contemplated.
Democrats can't come to grips with their loss. Why would Russia want to
displace Clinton? She sold a Russian business part of America's uranium
storage as Secretary of State. In return they gave her foundation 25 million.
It would seem like she would be easier to deal with. So far all they
have released is allegations, and no proof. But then that's all they have
to do, is cast dispersion, and blame someone else.
@lds commi@marxist(communist)This is hilarious reading your
post's absolutely where is the evidence that any hacking of the vote
counting is there? None. If the DNC was fullish enough to allow for an outsider
to hack their system well that is on them, and the information they found wasnt
made up it was factual information of the dirty deeds of the Democratic party.
All of the info pulled off of those emails was regarding Padesta and his
attempts to totally screw up Bernie sanders bid for the democratic nomination,
and all of his shinanigans to try and disrupt the Trump campaign with hiring
paid protestors to cause fights at Trump rally's.All this
hacking did is simply bring out the truth of how currupt the DNC is, infact
Hillary made it really easy to have all kinds of sensitive info available to any
hacker by having her private email server which she denied how many times in
public. Then she had to say uncle and admit she did do it, and they still let
her off the hook.How does it feel putting your hopes in a candidate
that got played by the Russians doing her own dirty game, I would feel betrayed
if I were a liberal.
Several points to think about: 1) Undoubtedly Russia did hack Clinton's
Email server, but wasn't that the issue about her using her own server in
the first place? 2) Didn't Snowden defect from the USA to Russia over this
same issue? I wonder how much intel Snowden gave the Russians? 3) While the
USA may or may not use intelligence gained from cyber spying, we know that the
NSA has done the same thing, don't we? 4) While this is a bit off topic
the real question we should be asking is how in the world both major parties
came up with such awful candidates in the first place?
Like many, I am slowly getting a picture of what is going on.I think
the following scenario matches up with the facts:One thing is for
sure - Putin is the man. He is skillfully using the various media to break up
the European Union and NATO. He is doing this by changing election outcomes all
over Europe through his well crafted media campaign. In this he is taking
advantage of discontent among working class people who are disadvantaged by top
heavy distributions of wealth and income. Putin's tactics have also worked
here in the United States, as we are all painfully aware.One thing I
don't understand - how does Putin sell himself to the Russian people? Putin in large part has installed a worshipful sycophant as president of
the United States.We are at a dangerous pivot point in our history.
I believe our very lives are at risk. Despite Trump's attacks on
newspapers, the fourth estate must hang tough. The Deseret News must hang
tough. Our lives depend on it.
Whoever hacked the DNC and Hillary did this country a favor. They exposed the
lies and the corruption that is and has gone on for years with HER and the
Democratic party. By the grace of God, this country will be spared her being the
POTUS. We have been deceived for years now. It is time for new
leadership. Although not perfect, Donald Trump is light years ahead of the
crooked politics to which we have been subjected.God bless America.
God bless our new president and protect him from stalking evil as he works to
put this country back on the correct course. He won't be perfect, I know.
However, I pray that he will be successful as he leads in his great love for
this country. That, we haven't had in a leader for 8 long years!
Democrats, meet Bob! Bob voted for Trump not because the Russians told him to
but because Bob made the choice for himself. Bob is friends with Sally. Sally
voted for Hillary, inspite of the Russian's. Bob and Sally are still
friends because they are both rational adults. Be like Bob and Sally!
If Hillary, and the DNC hadn't committed the crime of rigging/cheating
Bernie, and the American people, --the hacking wouldn't be in the news.This country was founded on elections by the people, and not fraud.Hillary should have been disqualified, and incarcerated.This
was disrespectful of America which she wanted to represent? Shameful.
As angry as I am about the Russian hackings, I'm even MORE
angry at the attitude of the next POTUS for: 1. taking the Russians
side2. defending them rather than us3. attacking OUR Intelligence
agencies4. Putting Trump's interests ahead of ALL of
America'sA Russian stooge.Not a good sign...
From the report:“We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin
ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election.
Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic
process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential
presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear
preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these
judgments.”In this razor thin election, Putin's campaign
through personal media likely provided the margin necessary for Trump's
victory. We will be trying to process this awful truth for a long time. This
is a pivot point in our history, the dimensions of which are unclear.
Putin is much smarter then anyone America is. He has made America look inept.
Russia is coming back.