Back in the 1960's and 70's there was a sunday night show called
"Candid Camera". My favorite segment was called "caught in the act
of being yourself". Funny stuff. Well the Democrats were also "caught in
the act of being themselves" during the 2016 campaign and the Wikileaks
emails proved it. Yes the embarasing political mess that the DNC became
entangled in after it was shown how they were connected at the hip with CNN and
NBC during the entire campaign. Also the racist speech used by the DNC and the
plot to destroy Bernie also not helpful. So at the end of the day this entire
thing boils down to getting caught and trying to shift blame. Same ole
Democrats. Finally the Russians have been hacking for the past 8 years and
suddenly Obama finally gets all excited when it shines the light of truth on
him!! Go figure. My thoughts are --thanks to Wikileaks and Mr. Putin for
exposing truth....and now let's upgrade our authentication software at the
federal level so it can't be hacked going forward.
@patriot"I say Wikileaks is heroic for exposing the dirty tricks
of the Democrats."You say this because we haven't seen
leaked emails from the Republican side. Promise, they would be filled with as
many, if not more, 'dirty tricks.'
I would like to thank the Russian hackers for showing the voting public how the
Democrat party really works. Perhaps Obama should give them a freedom of
information award (instead of Hillary's reset button). I could never vote
for either Trump or Hillary, but the entire mess demonstrates the dishonesty of
the political system we have.
We really need to see Donnie's financial records, specifically how much he
has invested in Russian/Chinese/Taiwanese projects and how much he owes to
Russian/Chinese Taiwanese banks. Involvement in other countries' projects
and loans with other countries' banks would also be of interest, but
they're not the main ones about which we need to know.It seems
apparent that Putin/Russia worked to get one of their puppets in the White
House, and succeeded in the effort. I'd be curious to know to what extent
Putin/Russia owns him, and what other countries also have an ownership interest.
We need to know what it will take to defend against the ramifications of
Donnie's conflicts of interest.
Did you notice? Donald Trump still cannot get himself to accept the findings of
the U.S. intelligence services and say the Russian government had the skill,
knowledge, equipment, expertise, and purpose to mount an assault on our
electoral process. Perhaps he will come to bend a bit more when this issue
dominates the first months of his presidency as Congress begins an
investigationHe doesn't care except that a tainted election
means that his being elected was not all because of him, and that bothers him a
great deal. Now, maybe he'll get over it, but the "witch hunt"
which he claims is being waged against him by Democrats and malcontents rests
deep inside and he will probably react more in the days ahead.We see
Trump as a non-apologetic and aggressive individual who rejects responsibility
for whatever he does. Certainly he is incapable of working with those who are
not completely supports in both admiration of himself and his objectives.
140-character pronouncements are not sufficient to communicate with people who
want information since it is limited and unidirectional. But it works for
attacking others and spreading disinformation.
Riverton Cougar - Riverton, UTJan. 7, 2017 9:51 p.m.But
there's no proof that the email hacks actually came from Russia....
Wikileaks says they didn't come from any national government . . . The
bottom line is that the leaks exposed Democratic corruption, and Americans
rejected it. "A couple of points you missed in whatever news
coverage you utilize.First, like military security, intelligence
security is granted to select people in government. Just because you don't
have the actual full report doesn't mean that members of Congress
haven't seen the evidence. Either you trust in your representatives or you
don't. If you don't, then say your piece and sit down. You definitely
can't say that there is no evidence if you've not seen the report.Trusting in WikiLeaks is disingenuous in this because Julian Assange is
highly prejudiced and had his own ax to grind. There's a need for critical
analytical skills here which are not evident.Second, if the leaks
exposed "Democratic corruption" as you put it and "Americans
rejected it", then that is "impact" and very clear to any
"After intel brief, Trump says hack had no impact on election"It's very revealing that Donald Trump did not address the computer hack
information provided by top intelligence agencies. Instead, he made a statement
(after calling attention to this activity as a "witch hunt") saying that
these agencies "confirmed" that there was no affect on the presidential
election.This sleight-of-hand maneuver is typical of Trump and we
have seen it many time before. He likes to say things and provide
"evidence" that doesn't exist. The same intelligence agencies which
provided his briefing Friday did not address the impact on the election. They
said nothing about the impact because it was beyond their purpose. So Trump just
made it up.Many in this thread who support Trump used the
"exposed" emails as evidence of why people voted for Trump. They insist
the emails "prove" that Hillary Clinton is corrupt, a liar, and unfit to
be president. Although they deny, in many cases, that there was a hack at all,
they insist that it was critical to exposing Hillary and substantially helping
her to lose the election. That was the "impact".
"So, where did these emails come from? Why, from the 'non-existent
Russian hacks made available to WikiLeaks' which had "no affect" on
the election. This rather tortuous explanation keeps poping up as a central
reason for why Trump was elected. In other words, the primary evidence for
Trump's becoming president-elect is the emails. The same emails the Russian
government hacked and gave to WikiLeaks. Without them, much of the Trump
campaign would have been lost."But there's no proof that
the email hacks actually came from Russia.... Wikileaks says they didn't
come from any national government.Besides, cyber security isn't
exactly the Democrats' strong point.The bottom line is that the
leaks exposed Democratic corruption, and Americans rejected it. Republicans knew
all along about the corruption. Besides, didn't Hillary emphasize that her
emails weren't hacked? Oops, I guess that's just another one of her
at long last. . . - Kirksville , MOJan. 7, 2017 8:38 a.m.No
one is questioning the election of Donald Trump. They are concerned about
Russian interference in the election to the extent of helping a specific
candidate win the election. It is well known that Hillary Clinton questioned the
legitimacy of the Russian election in 2011. Vladimir Putin took this to heart
and appears to have worked to interfere with our election to keep Hillary from
becoming President of the United States. On the way, he helped Trump win. There
is no evidence of "tampering" with the voting process, but the effect of
the email dumps by WikiLeaks, provided by now known Russian players, is obvious:
Trump won by a small margin in the electoral college.Sure, Trump may
have won on his own without Russian interference, but the Russians appear to
have wanted to keep Hillary from winning and there actions helped in that. So,
that is the substance of the current controversy. How this worked itself out in
the minds of voters will be the subject of studies for years to come. However,
the enthusiasm of specific people in condoning the Russian action is
It appears from the latest intelligence briefing Donald Trump received from
intelligence officials that he does not hearing information he does not want to
hear. His response to the briefing that Russia hacked computer systems in the
United States to influence the presidential election and there was malice
directed at Hillary Clinton to undermine her presidential campaign in a direct
attempt to help Trump get elected through a series of email dumps which were
designed to raise doubts about the Clinton campaign in voters minds is very
telling. Trump wants to believe that the Russians did not help him and refuses
to acknowledge the information provided to him.He is now on a rant,
using his preferred method of communication in 128 characters or less, to accuse
his detractors and anyone else who is may question his denials of national
security investigations of persecuting him. To think that we will have to put up
with this for four years is mind-numbing. His advocates would crucify anyone who
suggested that we reveal sensitive military strategy and tactics, now want
similar details on sensitive intelligence information released to the public.
I keep wondering how long it will be before those who voted for this
"man" will begin to realize what a horrible mistake they made?And, when they do, will they actually admit it?Russian hacking may
not have infiltrated any voting machines to change a ballot, but they certainly
had an effect on the opinions of poorly educated and informed Americans. There
is no way of telling how much influence hacking or a flood of Fake News
sponsored by the Russians actually had on voters.But mark my words,
we are going to pay a HUGE price for it.
How can anyone state something of opinion as fact? Naturally Trump is trying to
legitimatize his win and democrats are trying say legitimatize their loss.
Hillary, and the DNC rigged the system. They cheated America, and
its people. Disrespected the United States of America and its election
process.It could have been Bernie Sanders running against Trump, and
winning the election, but that was stopped by dishonesty.Quit
blaming the Russians!
This morning my husband, politically the most centrist person there is, had one
thing to say, "Why is he focusing on blaming the victim?" That's
it in a nutshell. He's our president. His job is to protect us from hostile
foreign powers, not defend them.We're missing a really
important piece to this puzzle which is Trump's tax returns. We need to
fully understand his international (and domestic) business entanglements. Maybe
there's nothing there. Whether there's something there or not, we
need to know. It's the right thing to do.
Trump says...If an American believes the opposite of whatever comes
out of Trumps mouth, they are well on there way to the truth.
Hey at long last -"While not a Trump supporter, it is precious
to see the rantings of the left on this column. Grow up people and accept that
Trump was legitimately elected."How so?Donald Trump
himself very publicly called for help from the Russians. He was quite content
with our nation's enemies breaking our nation's laws to help him
defeat Hillary Clinton.But now he says it never happened.And his apologists continue to parrot the same falsehoods put forth by their
fearful leader.Face the facts . . . Putin, Russia, and Republican
Trump supporters allied themselves together to ensure that Hillary Clinton, an
excellent public servant, would lose to the most prolific cheat and liar to ever
run for the Presidency.Putin knew how much a Republican in the White
House would weaken America.There is nothing legitimate about
Trump's election to the Presidency.It came about because of the
lies and dirty tricks of Trump strategists . . . Both foreign and domestic.Russia won. America lost.
While not a Trump supporter, it is precious to see the rantings of the left on
this column. Grow up people and accept that Trump was legitimately elected.
Personally, I am happy the Russians showed what dishonest low-lives run the
Is this what worries him about this whole event, whether or not his
'big' win is in any way tainted by this interference? Where is
his concern for the attack itself? He's the president elect, shouldn't
he be disparaging foreign leaders who initiate any sort of attack on the
sovereignty of the United States?
One of the junior Trumps proudly proclaimed Russians were the biggest investors
in TrumpCorp. His statements and external evidence point to well
over half-a-billion Russian dollars in TrumpCorp. Current policy
limiting Russia is harming Russian investors - the very people Trump owes more
than $500,000,000. The bottom line: is Trump loyal to the country?
Or is Trump loyal to the people who have invested in his company? Will a strong America directly benefit Trump? Or will a strong Russia benefit
Trump? Will sanctions limiting Russia benefit Trump? Or will removing the
sanctions and allowing Russian expansion and dominance benefit Trump? Every bit of evidence points to Trump and Russia working together to benefit
Russia, because that benefits Trump. A minority of voters, many
claiming to be "patriots," elected a Russian agent to the presidency,
and the Electoral College went along with it. It may be too late,
Anyone who believes that the Russians did not "impact" the election
results are living in denial.Regardless of how you feel about Trump
or Clinton. It's clear that the information campaign by the Russians
'changed minds' at the ballot box.Mr. Trump will be our
President. How you feel about that is up to each individual. Live with it, or
celebrate it.But to say the Russian campaign had no bearing, again,
@ marxistRead the report this morning. I was struck by how closely
the messaging of the Russians aligned with Trump's campaign. I
don't think it's possible to quantify the impact on actual votes
without a detailed study of every prospective voter, including her/his social
media habits. However, it can be said that having an impact was precisely
Putin's intent and he has used this kind of strategy in the past,
presumably because it had some success. So while the degree of impact
can't be quantified, it is safe to say that it likely had some. And
considering the narrow margin of victory in some states, even a small degree
could've been decisive.However, I still place the lions share
of the blame on a largely tone-deaf DNC and HRC. Despite all the opposition,
they remained in control of their messaging and outreach, and they simply failed
to accurately assess and respond to the environment at hand. To me, HRC ran
like it was still 2008 - or even 1998. Yesterday's candidate for
Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump is a 'puppet' of Vladimir Putin and
RussiaMrs Clinton hit back, saying the question should be: why is
Wikileaks, helped by Russian hackers, getting involved in the US election?Mr Trump's relationship with Mr Putin has been the subject of much
scrutiny. He has said that Mr Putin is a better leader than Barack Obama, and
commended his rule. Mr Putin has returned the compliment.“That’s because he’d rather have a puppet as president of
the United States,” said Mrs Clinton.Mr Trump retorted that he
was not friends with Mr Putin, and condemned any foreign interference in the
election.“She doesn’t like Putin because Putin has
outsmarted her every step of the way," he said.======== Wow.Trump begged the Russians to hack, they did, He's been caught red-handed, and now he denies it.And
his treasonous lemming followers keep defending him and ussian the KGB over
@patriot"I say Wikileaks is heroic for exposing the dirty tricks
of the Democrats."These sound more like the words of one
complicit, perhaps inadvertently and indirectly, in an act of foreign espionage
than a patriot.
After intel brief, Trump says hack had no impact on election==== "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find
the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded
mightily by our press," ~ Pres. Donald Trump July 7, 2016Treason!
Oh, and don't forget, Trump called on the Russians to hack Clinton. I
heard with my own two ears.
We all need to study this report carefully.From the report:“We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence
campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals
were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary
Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess
Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for
President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.”Make of this what you will. But for me, I think Putin's campaign
was in fact the margin of victory for Trump in a razor thin victory.What do you think (when you have read the full report), Deseret News?
"In accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the issues
of foreign policy and defense are fully in the hands of the president." Vladimir Putin
The reality is we had 2 poor candidates. That in part stems from what it takes
to get to the White House. It needs to not be for sale so that decent,
responsible, level headed Americans with outstanding leadership skills that are
not rich can get there.
patriot - Cedar Hills, UTJan. 6, 2017 3:08 p.m." I say
Wikileaks is heroic for exposing the dirty tricks of the Democrats. "Where are the hacks of the Republican National Committee. The Russians
don't go half-way in their information gathering. Perhaps they wanted to
destroy Hillary, but they would also want information on Donald Trump. I
seriously doubt the RNC would know if their email server was hacked since
phishing attacks generally go unnoticed until the email has been made public.Why do you praise a Russian collaborator for infiltrating the Democrats?
Is this the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" talking here? Sounds very
pro-Russian to me. It also shows you don't understand how the political
game is played if you assume your people don't participate in "dirty
tricks". Where have you been, unless you believe anything your side does is
OK, anything the other side does is "dirty tricks"?Remember
Trump's comments about WikiLeaks and Julian Assange in 2010? Surprising how
a leopard can change its spots when it's convenient. I'd sure like to
see what the Russians have on Trump. It'll makes good reading.
patriot - Cedar Hills, UTJan. 6, 2017 3:08 p.m.Trump advocates
are always referring to the emails released through WikiLeaks as evidence to
support their voting for Donald Trump. We see this over and over. The emails
were important in providing negative stories on an almost daily basis that
"proved" their point that Hillary "lied" and was
"corrupt". They cite the emails constantly, as readily seen in this
thread.So, where did these emails come from? Why, from the
"non-existent Russian hacks made available to WikiLeaks" which had
"no affect" on the election. This rather tortuous explanation keeps
poping up as a central reason for why Trump was elected. In other words, the
primary evidence for Trump's becoming president-elect is the emails. The
same emails the Russian government hacked and gave to WikiLeaks. Without them,
much of the Trump campaign would have been lost.So, now Trump weakly
acknowledges that "hacking" may have occurred, but still refuses to
admit that it influenced the campaign even though he encouraged the hacking in
his rallies and falsely infers that the intelligence community says there is
worf - McAllen, TXJan. 6, 2017 5:03 p.m."Hillary's
untruthfulness, weak leadership, and dishonesty is what cost her the
election."Trump campaigned on the WikiLeaks information as a
primary source for his rallies. We will never know how things would have turned
out had there not been the Russian hacks. Perhaps much of his speeches would
have just been more racist screeds, but the intelligence community, despite
Trump's claims, did not provide an assessment on the effectiveness of the
Russian interference. They reported that it occurred, it was deliberate, and it
was to diminish Hillary as a candidate.Why Trump continues in his
crusade of disinformation remains unclear. He says that he admires the men and
women who work in the intelligence community while at the same time saying he
does not have any trust in them. The question is then, where is Trump getting
his information? Trump, like Putin, wants to control information so no one can
know what is really going on. It is how it is in North Korea. An
information-deficient society is a society where tells you what is
"true". This way you can't criticize it because you don't know
Give Donald a break! All this talk of Russian hacking. The Donald has more
important business.In his barrage of tweets today, he was busy
disparaging Gov. Schwarzenegger as the new replacement host of his TV show -- a
successful immigrant! The Donald is clearly worried about the Celebrity
Apprentice and its future ratings. As he tweeted before about the Russians, we
should just move on. Clearly, we all hope The Donald will continue to watch
Celebrity Apprentice to see how Arnold works out. We'll all be watching
for his next Arnold tweet.If anything, attention on Celebrity
Apprentice could delay The Donald's big plans to change the post-WWII world
order of America's defending of democracy as he directs America to weaken
NATO and abandon ties with eastern Europe so The Donald can join with Putin and
recognize Russia's take-over of Crimea. Perhaps this is inevitable, but if
Celebrity Apprentice can post-pone it, the better for the world!
Democrats still can't accept that they are responsible for the failure at
the polls. Still no proof. Russia didn't need hackers, Hillarys servers
were unsecured. The DNC was embarrassed over their actions with
Bernie Sanders. Oh wait, that was the Russians also.
For the last 8 years everything was Bush's fault. It seems for the next 4
years everything will be Russia's fault.Do we know that Russia
actually hacked the DNC? That's still not proven.Do we know
that Russia actually influenced the election? That's still not proven.What "fake news" came out as a result of Russia's attempt?
Because I hate to break it to you, Hillary's inability to properly handle
classified information is NOT fake news, nor is the fact that the DNC is
corrupt.Who would be swayed by these attempts? The "stupidity of
the American voter", which we now know Democrats tried to use to get the ACA
to pass? Remember that these swing state voters voted for Obama last time.Calling Trump supporters a "basket of deplorables" certainly
didn't help, either. Was that Russia's fault too?
I would take anything to keep the Democrats out of power. Hillary is the worst
of the worst.
DJT is putting his ego and himself before his country. If he was not willing to
give everything, he should not have run for this high office. Also, he is
undermining the people who are charged with helping protect this country, those
who risk their lives everyday on our behalf. His biggest risk seems to be
mussing his hair. Heaven help us all.
For someone who loudly complained the election was "rigged", and for
someone who quoted WikiLeaks daily, it's disingenuous for Trump to say the
hacking had no relevance. If Trump had lost, he'd be screaming
like a baby!
Hillary's untruthfulness, weak leadership, and dishonesty is what cost her
Welcome to Trumpistan.Trump is first.Trump is second.Trump is third.Throwing himself on a grenade to protect America,
the people, the place, our way of life, or the
Constitution....means nothing in to Trump, this is Trumpistan!
"The report described a broad campaign that included covert operations,
including cyberactivities, with “trolling” and “fake
news.”" - New York TimesIt wasn't just about hacked
emails, Deseret News.
The urgency here is breathtaking.When were these messages hacked?
August/September...and now the sky is falling? Even Obama admits to calling
Putin on it back in September. Why weren't the diplomats sent home then?
Where was the sanctions program?This wasn't a big issue until
Hillary lost.This is an attempt to paint the Trump victory as
illegitimate, at least in the minds of liberals.Clapper famously
said that terrorists aren't 100 feet tall. That's too bad. Maybe he
could have detected and stopped the San Bernardino massacre if only the perps
were taller.Let's hope Trump is better at hiring
problem-solvers instead of political hacks.
The man/child is a moron plain and simple.He wanted to win far more
than be president, and now we have a "winner" who could care less about
America. He is setting himself and family up to run the government as another
Trump property, so it's not a good bet that his investment in America will
be any more than another bankruptcy after he get his.
Thanks to the Russians the Democrats finally achieved transparency!
"Before even seeing the classified intelligence report Friday, Trump
dismissed the assessment and told The New York Times the focus on Russia's
involvement is a "political witch hunt" by adversaries who are
embarrassed they lost the election. " So before seeing the
assessment Trump dismissed it. He must be clairvoyant. Let's
all get a copy of this assessment in as much detail as we can get it. I suggest
the Deseret News do likewise and report on it.
The President elect's response is classic Trump. It always has, and will
come down to him and his ego. He's a text book narcissist.
This is a hundred times worse then any email server issue. Trump should resign
because the evidence will only get worse. His main brain Hannity's Assange
interview is a historic low point in journalism.
The results, affected or not, are what they are. A larger number by a decent
margin voted not for trump but our system gave him the 'win'. He gets
to be president. As for whether or not the Russian hacking had an impact
on the election, it's hard to see how the daily dumps of emails didn't
have some effect and in any case whether they did or not there was a reason for
the whole exercise and it wasn't transparency or someone having fun. In a larger context, I believe it is problematic that trump insists he gets to
live in a reality of his own manufacture, let's call it 'denial'.
While I believe in a healthy skepticism, I also believe one's own
reality may not be healthy for a man in trumps' position. Churchill said
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride
it, but in the end; there it is."
what was the intel? Hillary Clinton and CNN worked together for her entire
campaign AND her campaign manager made racist remarks against blacks and
latinos. Those are all in the emails. So who was helped the most during the
entire election year? Hillary Clinton had CNN in her pocket so advantage Clinton
obviously. What seems to be so annoying the Democrats is that WE the people had
no right to know about this dirty dealing. I beg to differ. I say Wikileaks is
heroic for exposing the dirty tricks of the Democrats. This might have been
illegal to make public these private emails but at the end of the day had the
Democrats not done anything wrong then no harm done. But the Dem's were
dirty and they GOT CAUGHT!! People already knew Clinton was
dishonest with her email server scandall long before the election anyway.
After intel brief, Trump says hack had no impact on election=====
Folks -- We are about to have a President of the United States
who is a) best case scenario -- a total lunatic living in his own
alternate realityorB) worse case -- a manipulated treasonous puppet
of the Russia KGB.