@lost in DCI actually agree with Hochmut and Objectfied's comments.
That's not my point. The problem lies in the long term effects of decades
of downsizing which has effectively demolish the middle class in general.
Let's face it. People are still getting outsourced, downsized and
eliminated in so many ways. The race to the bottom line has hastened faster than
our country can handle.I personally have a postgraduate degree and work in
the medical field. I sacrificed and paid all my way through school and make well
into the six figure range. However, I bristle when I see such quick reactionary
and very judgmental comments regarding these types of jobs and their laborers.
For crying out loud, quit being so judgmental and have a heart.
morpunkt,if,as you say, and I have no real reason to doubt you, In-n-Out
is privately held,they have more flexibility than a publicly held company, and
can over-pay if they desire.within the last 10 years or so a
privately held company back east, Connecticut or MA, I think, had a fire that
closed the plant for about 3 months. the owner (privately held) paid his
emploees even though they could not work. He did not have to, but he had the
option. Had that been a publicly traded company, he would have had other
shareholders to whom he had to answer because it would have been THEIR money he
was delaing with. Since he owned the company and it was HIS money, he could do
with it as he pleased.The Board of any for-profit has a fiduciary
responsibility to the SHAREHOLDERS, not to labor.there, I have
addressed your In-n-Out comparison.I fail to see what In-n-Out had
to do with the election, perhaps you can shed some light on the subject and
address what Hochmut and Objectified said.
@lost in DCNobody has commented concerning the In and Out Burger
comparison.BTW- I abhor both MSNBC and Fox. Both are too extreme.
To "mcclark" actually, they won't "pay starvation wages".
This is seen in the fact that only 4.7% of all hourly paid employees are paid
minimum wage. If you look at all workers, less than 1% of all workers earn
minimum wage.Since the facts show that few earn minimum wage, that
shows how Big business will pay the fair market value for the labor that
supports them.If the 1% of workers that earn minimum wage wants to
join the 99%, they can because apparently 99% of jobs pay more than minimum
People fail to understand/acknowledge that there are some jobs that have been
and always will be low-skill-level jobs. Sadly, it probably never occurs to some
of these people who work for the same employer for so long to go seek better
employment. For some, their view of how difficult their job is has become skewed
by working there for so long. The sad reality is that these workers
don't realize how easily they can be replaced as a worker. At the end of
the day that's what any company needs to function. They can be the
greatest/nicest person in the world, but that comes secondary to the operation
of the business. What many of these workers would find if they were
to received $15 an hour is that they would suddenly be required to work twice as
hard as most of their co-workers would be laid off...
Big business pay starvation wages, the employees then get food stamps because
their income is so low they are eligible, the taxpayer picks up the tab. Welfare
for companies with profits in the Billions. And its all the poor people's
fault. They should get a better non existent job.
morpunkt,yes, the laborer IS worthy of his hire. $7.25 is about all you
need to pay get someone to flip burgers. Why should someone whose labor is
worth only $7.25 expect to get paid $15?And I see you did not refute
ANYTHING Hochmut or Objectified said - you just repeated the liberal knee-jerk
response akin to MSNBC talking points - anything you don't like or cannot
refute MUST have come from Fox.have a nice day!
I guess many of those workers are going to be replaced. There is a company
called Momentum Machines that has developed a hamburger making robot that can
produce 360 burgers per hour. It doesn't complain about wages, is more
consistent than a person, and is cleaner.If these people succeed,
they will find that a large portion of them will not make $15/hr because they
will be replaced by burger flipping robots.
LOL. I just knew my commentary would quickly incur the wrath of the vastly GOP
state of Utah and the knee jerk responses akin to Fox News talking points. Just
remember brethren, "the laborer is worthy of his hire".Have a nice
@ morpunkt:Concerning Mitt Romney... a subject you brought up... he
actually lost the last election because too many low-information voters believed
the outright lies Obama and his campaign people were propagating about Romney.
Many, if not most, of their assertions were proven bogus by online
fact checking companies, but the damage had already been done... just as Obama
had calculated it would. His win-at-any-cost mentality is a disservice to our
country. A leader without personal scruples isn't worth much.
The majority of Americans have since discovered that. That's one of the
primary reasons more people now disapprove rather than approve of Obama in all
recent national polls.It's also interesting to note that if the
election was re-held today, all national polls are indicating Romney would beat
Obama by a double digit percentage. That is truly significant. American voters
are sometimes a bit slow to learn. But the good thing is, they do eventually
Morpunkt, sorry but you are wrong. Mitt Romney lost the election because a
majority of Americans felt guilty for other's past faults and wanted to
reward a man again with no Presidential skills; no buisness skills; no
international skills; no idea what a strong military does for the country; no
gratitude for American values; no real basis to be the President of the United
States--we have someone in office that is an embarrassment to America and we
have only two more years to endure till the next disaster is elected in H C; for
those that flip burgers at $7.25 an hour, you reap what you sow;
Actually, in some areas of the country, flipping burgers is all there is for
jobs. True. It shouldn't be a permanent job for most people. However, if
one were to observe a privately owned burger company, such as In And Out vs a
publicly owned company, such as Mc Donald's , the difference in wages And
benefits is much better with In And Out. This is why Mitt Romney lost the last
election. Corporations are not people. And Mitt reminds too many
disenfranchised people of a franchise.
Minimum wage was designed for entry level positions and for a way to get
training. Teenagers work these types of jobs as entry level and a way to
prepare them for the future.The great depression displaced many adults.
Several of which did not have marketable skills.This is nothing more
than a tactic for unions to muscle their way into another industry to support
the union bosses elaborate lifestyle at the expense of the workers.Workers do not realize that if they were to get $15, the union will take $3 to
$4/hr. They will loose government welfare, or most of it. Most will see their
hours cut.So basically, they will see a huge pay cut, loss of job,
and still no skills to move on.They need to use the credits
available and get some kind of education that will pay more than minimum wage.
Else, they will be right back where they are today.
This is just absurd. It's another example of people who didn't qualify
themselves for anything better demanding to be paid as if flipping burgers is a
To our Liberal friends who think these fast-food restaurant owners should be
forced to pay their low-skilled workers $15.00 per hour, I have a challenge for
you: Open up your own fast-food franchise, and pay these workers the salaries
that you're demanding these current owners pay. You know, come
to think of it, you Libs keep telling us that $15.00 will help move these folks
out of poverty; so, when you open up your franchise, you can pay them
say...$25.00 per hour. This should really increase their standard of
living...right?It's time for Liberals to put up, or shut up!
These low-skilled workers are waiting for you.
Every single one of these protesters took their jobs knowing exactly what it
paid. They were grateful for it at that time, otherwise they would've have
accepted their employment. This is now a poor way of thanking their employers
who gave them their jobs. Most of these jobs are part time, and
meant only to supplement their income, not be the primary source. These jobs
have helped countless students get through school and given high school students
the starting experience necessary to move on to higher paying jobs. Higher paying jobs are definitely out there for those willing to get more
education or additional training. The trouble is, most aren't willing to
put forth the necessary effort. It's less effort just to strike. As such,
it's hard to feel sorry for them.What else they don't
consider is that by increasing their wages 50% to 100% will cause food item
prices to increase significantly... not by just a few cents as some are saying.
Significant price increases will translate to few customers. Fewer customers
causes layoffs. If these people are "successful" with their strike, many
of them will end up unemployed.
Fast food jobs were never meant to support entire families. They have
traditionally been the first job of kids in high school or a part time job for
stay at home moms or simply, a part time job. If people want more money then
they need to educate themselves or look for a job that pays more and find out
what needs to be done to get hired. If burgers cost 8-10 dollars each then who
will be able to buy one anyway? They are pricing themselves out of a job. Or,
technology will provide robots to do the work for much cheaper.
People who want to get paid more should seek the skills that will allow that to
happen. For some people, that will mean college. For others, technical school.
Most people who work in the fast-food industry could easily get a call center
job for $12-$15 dollars an hour with benefits, even without additional
education. They might have to relocate to areas with a lot of call centers.
Phoenix, Las Vegas, or Florida for example. But success and personal advancement
What they don't realize is that having such a huge jump in wages can throw
them into a higher tax bracket, which can mean less take home pay. If you want
more money, improve your skill set. Then go get the jobs that pay better. Fast
food was not meant to be a 9-5 job.
big companies do what they want money buys the elected, and controls our country
since the supreme court allowed superpacs.