Count me on the side of the guy with the Knee Defender. I hate it when people
recline into my space when I am trying to get some work done or read on a
flight. Nor do I recline my seat into anyone else's space. It's not
that difficult to sit up for a few hours. I've had long international
flights where it is reasonable to expect people to recline for sleep, but who
can't sit up straight for an hour or even 4.
I fly around 30-40K miles every year. I did around 75K last year. Nothing
mega-big, but each year that totals around 1 and a half times around the world.
Long flights usually mean you are going to sleep. So guess what, I recline. It
takes about 40 hours for me to get home and 40 to get back here at
"home" in Zimbabwe. I pay for the functions of the seat and use them
when I want to sleep. If it is time to eat,I put the seat forward and
don't use it until all food has been picked up. otherwise I use it when I
want to recline. As can the person behind me. Pretty straightforward. If
someone were to use this device on my seat, I would immediately, every time,
call the flight attendant and have it removed. Every time. Every time. period
Anybody who uses those devices is wrong to do so.The passenger
sitting in front of him paid for a seat that reclined.He rendered it
inoperable.He should be made to pay for the cost of her flight . . .
At the very least.
Wow. Preventing a person from reclining is a violation of their rights? Rob me
of what I paid for? I don't think I've ever such a state of
entitlement before. How about the person behind you? Do they not have a right
for reasonable comfort as well? Having someone recline their seat back in your
face, particularly if they are in a seat that doesn't recline is the
absolute definition of rudeness. Didn't they pay for a seat as well?
Shouldn't they have reasonable space? The key here is that just
because you have a "right" to do something, doesn't mean you should
do something. I bet if an airline created seat spaces based on size so
tall people had adequate leg space and shorter people were not allowed in them,
they'd be crying discrimination as well. The real problem here
isn't the airline, cramped seating or a knee defender, it's the self
centered attitudes people have.
When you buy a ticket you buy the upper front part of the seat you are sitting
on and the back of the seat in front of you and the underside of the seat in
front of you. This is the fault of the airlines. They put too many
people on the plane and complain about weight and fuel costs. They charge to
check a bag yet don't have enough room for everyone to carry a carryon. I
have been on planes abroad where the typical user is inches shorter and a lot
skinnier than us Americans and those seats and the legroom is perfectly fine no
matter where I am seated. It's very odd.
@freedom seeker. Problem is solved if you sit in an emergency row, or chose an
I at least appreciate the fact the this regular flier admitted that he was
ashamed for his behavior.That tells me a lot about the person and that he has
learned a good lesson from his regretted behavior.I suspect we would all
be pretty embarrassed if our road rage was put up on a big screen for our
families, friends and associates to see.Likewise some of the observations
made from the safety of a key board would make many of us look less than
tolerant.Hopefully we are learning from others' 'less than
Anyone who buys a swat that will recline expects it to be able to recline. That
goes with the price of their seat and the price of your seat does not prevent
them from reclining....not at all. The seats in front of the first row of exit
seats won't recline. Get a seat in that row and work on your computer to
your hearts content. Plus, the row is wider, too, for emergency exiting
purposes.Once Frontier Airlines changed equipment to a slightly
smaller plane and took me out of a window seat and put me in a middle seat in
front of the exit row. Not only did I not have an aisle or window seat, but my
seat would not recline. And it was a full flight and I had no choice;
wasn't even asked about it. I was a little steamed at Frontier. Couple
that with the one time I flew on a Frontier segment from Denver to Durango, CO
and had dozens of flights on Delta with no damage to my bag only to have
significant damage on this one solitary Frontier segment. Sorry, Frontier, you
lost a paying customer.
The airlines are becoming more barbaric all the time. They ought to be ashamed
of the way they treat their customers. "Let's see how shoddy we can
make this experience and how miserable we can make the customer before he
won't take it anymore." That was the attitude of the American car
companies until the Asians started to eat their lunch with cars that were
actually affordable and high quality. The day of reckoning for the
airlines will come, and they will be shocked when it happens.
These devices need to be banned and anyone caught using one should be fined or
put on the no fly list. The nerve of some jerks. If he is that tall or someone
is too large they will need to pay for a seat that accommodates them and does
not require someone else to sacrifice their own comfort. I will be reclining on
my next flight and I expect the passenger in front of me will too.
I am six feet tall with long legs. When I sit in coach my knees are jammed into
the seat back in front of me. That is with the seat in front of me upright. If
the person in front of me reclines, the seat back protrudes into my space even
more crushing my kneecaps.We all hear about the risk of getting
blood clots from sitting in a stationary position for long periods of time. We
are told to keep moving our legs around to maintain circulation. That is
impossible with the seat back in front of me reclined and nearly impossible if
its upright. Wake up people....wake up airlines.
I travel regularly for my employment and from a purely philosophical point of
view, believe that preventing a person from reclining is a violation of their
rights. Just as you would have the right to recline, so should they. Any claim
that there are rights to extra space for typing on a laptop is not implied by
the airline at all, evidenced by the way the planes are built, and the reclining
features permitted on every seat. A person's voluntary
willingness to NOT recline so that you may type more comfortably on your laptop
is the only way this works. And a kind request, along with an offer to buy them
a drink or swipe your card for their movie is a wonderfully effective option.
When I pay for a seat on an airplane, I am paying for the full functionality of
the seat, including its reclining capabilities. If an inconsiderate saboteur
wants to rob me of what I paid for, all for his own convenience, and is so
dishonest as to hide behind me hoping I will mistake his selfish act for a
broken seat, then he should pay for part of my ticket!If you
don't like people reclining in front of you, buy a more expensive ticket
and pay for your own luxury and comfort! But don't deprive someone of the
comfort for which they have paid!
I am flying to Europe next month and I have paid the extra $65 per one way trip
for the international portion, so that I will have more leg space and can
recline my seat more. Will I recline? You bet ya! A business man who want to
work while flying, can always fly first class. People are given the option to
recline their seat, and if they want to do so, so be it.
"I'd rather just kind of let them think the seat is broken, rather than
start a confrontation," he said."So rather than take the heat,
he'd let the other passenger blame the airline for not keeping the plane
maintained. Nice guy, huh?So when will someone develop a device to keep
the youngster behind me from kicking the back of my seat?
There is "reclining" the seat and then there is "reclining" the
seat. The first example is a 10-15 degree recline, an inch or two of backward
tilt at most. The second example is when someone reclines so far that you cant
even use you eating tray. Doing anything more than a slight tilt back is rude
and unnecessary. Asking the person in back if your level of reclining is ok
would also be a nice improvement. It can go both ways as well. I had
an experience once where I put a book on the eating tray and begain to read.
Every time i moved this lady looked back to see what was causing the vibration
to her seat. That seemed excessive to me.
We sent a man to the moon. Phones have become computers, and vice versa. So
why can't we build a economy seat that is at least somewhat civilized? Airline travel today is stressful enough without the pain and discomfort
of straight jackets they call seats.
Common courtesy and turning the other cheek are things of the past. Two jerks
who disrupted the lives of others.