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  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    Sept. 4, 2014 11:02 p.m.

    Obama may very well be a great human being.
    But he's not guided by the right principles.
    We don't really know everything Obama is doing. He may be trying his best to resolve this. I pray he is guided in making good decisions on this.

    I'm sorry for this man's family. I believe all peaceable people in the world ought to make it their first priority to stop this barbarism. There isn't a military in the world that should sit by and watch this happen and do nothing. I believe in using force as a last resort. But we're past the "last resort" line. People are being murdered brutally. It needs to stop.

    Other countries that think we "step into other people's business" need to re-evaluate the anti-American lies they've been spoon fed. We aren't beheading people. We aren't murdering 3,000 people in sky scrapers. We didn't start pearl harbor. We didn't invade a part of the world before know that they murdered thousands and planning on murdering millions.

    It's not us who needs to be stopped. We're not perfect, but we're not barbaric.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Sept. 3, 2014 5:59 p.m.

    Please refer to the following articles:

    Drone Warfare, by Jack Serle published in January 2014 – for the stats on Drone kills.

    More Killings in Obama’s War on Terror Than Bush’s War, by Kevin Gosztola published in September 2012 – for comments by Michael Hayden.

    To your overall point about “homework” people make assertions and arguments on this forum all the time and with a 200 word limit it would be difficult to make any arguments of substance if we adhere to your standard of always providing a fully referenced bibliography.

    Further, just because you haven’t heard something before may say more about the news sources you are choosing than anything else.In any case, my “homework” comment was valid (yours was a red herring) and consider yours complete… you’re welcome.

    PS – again, I picked drone strikes because they were targeted (under both presidents) specifically against terrorists. The fact that you would include every enemy combatant killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in the same category as Osama Bin Laden says far more about your presuppositions than any supposed “cherry picking” on my part.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    @ Tyler D:

    When did Michael Hayden say that? I read a lot and don't recall him ever saying such a thing. Please give a more specific time and place for your claim. A specific online address reference is all that's needed to suffice.

    Anyone can ascribe anything to anyone else without verification. That doesn't prove a thing. As such, those kinds of assertions don't hold water... at least not without some sort of proof or way to verify.
    If you will do that, I will acquiesce. If you don't, it can only be assumed that you can't.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    @ Tyler:

    Since the original assertion was yours, the onus is on you to provide verification, not me. As such, you aren't doing my homework. I simply asked you to verify your own. And since you still haven't provided any specific sources for your very rounded off (and thus questionable) numbers, it appears you can't. Until you do, your numbers will still appear made-up.

    Since terrorists and foreign invaders are usually synonyms for the same animal, you can't legitimately distinguish between the two.

    It's laughable that you said you want to leave the ground wars out of it, since we both know that's where most of Bush's kill numbers come from, while most of Obama's comes from drone strikes... the only numbers you'd like to use. It doesn't work that way, Tyler. You have to use the entire picture... not bits and pieces.

    Bush's number is probably in the tens of thousands. But since the claims and assertions were yours to begin with, you should provide more exact (and verifiable) numbers using all the ways used to kill terrorists. Cherry-picking specific pieces of limited data doesn't count.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Sept. 3, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    @Tators – “please share with us the facts of your assertion that Obama has killed more terrorists than Bush.”

    Well OK, I can do the homework for you if you like… just a pretty quick google search though.

    Since it is difficult to distinguish terrorists from those simply fighting a foreign invader, let’s leave the ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan out of it and look just at drone strikes against known terrorists (since their intent is surgical & targeted).

    Obama has killed ~2500 terrorists compared to ~500 under Bush

    Or you could take the word of Michael Hayden, Bush’s former director of the Central Intelligence Agency who has described Obama’s anti-terrorism efforts as pretty much the same as Bush’s only with a lot more killings.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    @ FT:

    Your followup comment made much more sense than the original and I commend you for it.

    However, I don't think it would take hundreds of thousands of American troops to control ISIL since we would be fighting along with other local militaries. A fraction of that number (just tens of thousands) would be enough to bolster and give leadership to those non-American allied militaries.

    They mostly lack leadership and modern fighting equipment more than anything else. That's what it would take to make a meaningful long-term difference. America could supply those things without going to the extent of waging an all-out war entailing hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground... especially if decisive action is taken sooner rather than later.

    I don't believe Obama's drone strikes have killed multiple thousands of terrorists, but I could be wrong. Do you have a verifiable source for your statement?

    If Obama's primary concern is for our country's good, he shouldn't be spending so much time golfing and attending fundraising events during very crucial times. Even his own party is becoming critical of his current indecisiveness.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    Simple enough. Anyone posting on the DN News blog (including myself) is probably not an expert.
    Americans and journalist have been getting killed overseas since the country was created. That will never change. We're targets because of who we are. ISIL has strengthened over the past year because of the instability in Syria and Iraq. Both countries will probably remain unstable unless we are willing to park 100's of thousands of troops over there and spend billions of dollars. We can't afford to do that and most realize it will likely not do any long term good.
    BO has a politcal problem here at home when it comes to his foreign policy. I don't think he really cares about that because he is lame duck President and he'll do what he thinks is in the country and the worlds best interest. He has shown no problem striking out and killing thousands of terrorist if the situation suggest it. My guess is he'll handle this crisis like all the others, with patience, and a careful examination of the facts and likely out come.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    @ Tyler D:

    Actually, facts do matter to many of us. As such, please share with us the facts of your assertion that Obama has killed more terrorists than Bush.

    What is the count for each and the verifiable sources of information that you use? I'm sincerely interested to know the actual facts involved regarding your statement... if there actually are any.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    @ FT:

    What exactly are your credentials for determining who are foreign policy experts and who are not? You write as if you consider yourself to be one. But it actually seems as if you are less of one than those you are criticize. At least they objectify and reason out their comments. You didn't even try to.

    You are right about claiming the world is a dangerous place. It appears to becoming more-so lately, based on many current events. That's perhaps the premise of the article and reason for readers sharing their opinions. What I find hard to understand is why you fear those readers and their opinions more than ISIS and other ultra-violent militant groups who claim to want world domination. That makes no sense at all. But that's what you claim.

    If you really feel other people commenting on this post have no knowledge of any of the facts, as you stated, then please take a few minutes and enlighten us with the many facts that you ostensibly have and the "vision" the rest of us supposedly lack.

    Are you really that much of an expert?

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Sept. 3, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    @Thid Barker – “GWB knows how to take care of terrorists- you take them out, period! Obama "has no strategy"

    You do realize that Obama has killed more Islamic terrorists, including the one that killed 3000 of our citizens, than Bush ever did, don’t you?

    But I realize that for many, facts don’t matter – what matters is how you look, talk and pose.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    @ FT:

    Your nonsensical comment added absolutely nothing objective or positive to the ongoing dialog. It simply demonstrated you have nothing in defense to preceding anti-current administration comments. Please come back and try against after doing a bit of research and pondering. Rhetorical comments are a dime a dozen and should be dispensed with.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    It is time to institute a "no-exception" draft.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    "A few narrow minded extremists are faulting President of the United States, Barack Obama for "not having a strategy yet."

    You slay me with your humor!

    Diane Feinstein and the other dems on the house and senate intelligence committees are "narrow-minded extremists"?

    Yeah, probably, but not in the same contect you are using.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    So many foreign policy experts here on the blogs. I'm amazed that more state department positions aren't filled by DN readers or Faux news viewers.
    Yes the world is a dangerous place, always has been, always will be. But I have more fear of sabre rattling know it alls with little knowledge of the facts or the vision to understand the possible outcome of their actions. The last thing the world needs now is another rich cowboy with little understanding of life outside the country club.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    @ southmtnman:

    President Bush had a strategy. That's why Saddam Hussein was toppled so quickly. A good strategy could also topple ISIS... if Obama takes action soon. The longer he waits, the more difficult it will become.
    He knew they were a threat more than a year ago and could've taken most of them out with airstrikes when they were in the open while crossing the deserts in north-central Iraq 6 months ago. In both cases, he chose to do nothing. Now the cost to accomplish the same thing will be much higher. That's one of the costs of his habit of indecision.

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    A few narrow minded extremists are faulting President of the United States, Barack Obama for "not having a strategy yet."

    But these same folks seemed fine with Bush starting wars without waiting for any strategy at all!

    Further proof that their prejudice against Obama has nothing to do with reason.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    "....In its rise to prominence over the past year, the extremist group has frequently published graphic photos and gruesome videos of everything from bombings and beheadings to mass killings."

    They apparently know how to manipulate the Western press into giving the headlines they so crave. That’s what you might call economy of effort.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    BO says he can reduce ISIS to a manageable problem. How many beheadings are “manageable”? going from one a month to one every other month? One a quarter? How about stonings, how many of those constitute a “manageable” number?

    BO is in over his head, always has been, always will be.

    Joe Blow,
    Even DEMS on the house and senate intelligence committees say BO needs to act more forcefully. Ask them what should be done, since they have access to intelligence material.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    I'm curious as to why the DN groups this AP report in the Faith section.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Sept. 3, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    Joe Blow,

    Are you seriously suggesting the average commenter on the des news should have as an articulate plan to combat terrorist as the president of our country.

    Wow - you really don't have much faith in our president barack

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Sept. 3, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    Obama should contact President Bush for advice. GWB knows how to take care of terrorists- you take them out, period! Obama "has no strategy".

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 3, 2014 7:27 a.m.


    What do you propose? Specifics please.....

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 3, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    No need to worry folks, "ISIS are JV league terrorists" according to our commander in chief.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Sept. 2, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    "BEIRUT — Islamic State extremists released a video posted Tuesday showing the beheading of a second American journalist, Steven Sotloff, and warning President Barack Obama that as long as U.S. airstrikes against the militant group continue, 'our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.'"

    Barack Hussein Obama's response?

    "We don't have a strategy yet."