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Published: Friday, Aug. 22 2014 11:25 a.m. MDT

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liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

Just had a town hall on this issue in north Ogden. Supporters keep touting the standards as a former teacher who opposes common core I wish they would understand it is not necessarily the standards (which whether properly created and adequate or not is up for debate.) that are the problem. Although they do have an unintended consequence in my opinion as one school administrator on the panel pointed out is that it seems to establish the standards as the ceiling of achievement to be reached rather than starting point from which to progress from. The main problems opponents have are all the other strings that are attached by law and default. The data mining which due to relaxed privacy law requirements from the administration make it possible for the Feds or even 3rd party solicitors such as businesses to have access to your child's data w/out your consent. The only assurance the supporters including a current member of the state board of education on the panel could give us was their word that would never happen there are no legal statutes in place to prevent this. Sorry I've heard that one before. (See 2nd post)

bass679
Novi, MI

It's nice to hear this from more people on the right. I was shocked how little direction Common Core actually has. It literally just says "students should know how to do X in grade Y". All of the curriculum is made at the state or district level. All Common Core does is establish a baseline, minimum level. And it's not a super high bar either, higher than some states are meeting but that's not a reason to get rid of it, that's a reason to fix those schools.

Commenter88
Salt Lake City, Utah

Despite the reporter's assertion otherwise, the common core is a de facto curriculum. Curriculum includes the selection and prioritization of skills and the media to teach and test those skills. The skills are also a de facto federal production as they do not rely upon local input for identification. USOE simply rubber stamped the national boilerplate suggested by the very research firm in Washington DC that writes the tests for Utah and most other states.

Having said that, I don't believe it's necessary to throw the baby out with the bathwater on common core. There are strong elements to help lower-achieving schools (especially those in our area where speakers of English as a 2nd language have grown tremendously). But we need more latitude for specifically targeted curriculum on very local levels, which requires much more intelligent administration at the school, district, and state level.

What our state needs more than anything is intelligent, hard-working administration at all levels to guide, but not mandate, teachers and to facilitate both common core ideals as well as holistic learning for advanced students.

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

cont. prev... The 2nd issue has to do with the standards, testing and funds associated with the race to the top common core program. The supporters on the panel kept trying to sell the idea the standards were created for academic not data gathering purposes and are for local not national use. However the funding demands the creation of a system that does exactly the opposite) which is highly profitable for businesses nationally. You can withdraw as a state from this but you lose the funding. The last and most important to me is curriculum. True the state has the power to decide the curriculum on what is taught but as Bill Gates put it with the ACT,SAT, and college & AP exams geared to common core curriculum if you home, private, or publicly school and the curriculum doesn't match your child is at a severe disadvantage. Our teachers are hand cuffed in the same way and have to teach what the universities want plus they are under copyright and cannot give parents in many cases the actual content. If you can't show parents exactly what you are teaching their kids you are being in my opinion nefarious.

michaelitos
Salt Lake City, UT

@Commentater88
Please cite specific references to assert your claim that the common core is a de facto curriculum. The common core does not specify any instructional content, media, or resources whatsoever. All planned interaction with pupils is still very much up to individual teachers, schools, and districts.

Yes, the common core prescribes minimum standard to which teachers and students should arrive by the end of the year. However, how they get there is still the teachers prerogative.

If you don't believe me, please Google "utah core standards". The USOE has put together a nice website explaining this and other common misunderstandings. There is even a link to the standards themselves. I encourage you to check it out, read the standards, and see that control of curriculum still very much resides in local hands.

michaelitos
Salt Lake City, UT

@liberty or ...?
There are SEVERAL misunderstandings in your posts. However, I will only address one.

The Common Core standards are available to everyone, teachers and parents alike. Please Google "utah core standards". The Utah State Office of Education has put together a nice website that clarifies many of the misunderstandings that you perpetuate in your posts. It includes a link to the actual standards themselves (or you can just Google "Common Core Standards" directly".

I just Googled it, and as an example have found this literacy standard for 3rd graders:

CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.RL.3.1
Ask and answer questions to demonstrate understanding of a text, referring explicitly to the text as the basis for the answers.

The Standard does not tell teachers how to do this or even what text to use, since curriculum is left up to teachers, schools, and districts. However, there is no secrecy whatsoever. Please, at the least, visit the USOE's website, and feel free to peruse the standards at your leisure.

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

@ michaelitos there is a difference between standards and curriculum. The standards like any states are open to view however there has been disagreement even at the university level as to the quality of & those involved in the creation of the standards and the strings attached.Like no child left behind these tend to establish a mediocre point of achievement not the basic level to excel from (Good in theory but flawed in practial application). As for your curricullum comments you obviously did not read my second post or disregarded it. As one panel member said at the town hall a prisoner is free to move anywhere he wants within his cell provided he doesn't try to go outside the cell.In other words I could be teaching in my curricullum according to the standards but if the content covered is not the same it doesn't matter. This is what bill gates meant by the curricullum not just the standards having to be the same. Every parent has the right to know the content being taught how its presented and teachers should teach the content that applies free from curricullum deciders

the greater truth
Bountiful, UT

@michaelitos

The tests drive the curriculum.

What is on the test must taught in the classroom.

If wrong ideas and interpretations of the Constitution are on thee test, then that must also be taught in the classroom.

If there is propaganda against the founding fathers or Lincoln, than that must taught in the classroom.

IF the test use communist and socialist reading materials, then that must also be used in the classroom.

Indoctrination is very serious concern.

We must know what is non the tests, who is creating the standards, and who creating tests ans by defacto creating the standards?

Again the tests drive what must taught or not taught in the classroom.

bill in af
American Fork, UT

to the great truth:
First state the truth. There is no test for history based on the common core. I can teach the common core standards in line with the same values and understanding of history as most educated people who live in Utah. I am not controlled by what I have to teach. I will follow the standards and develop my strategies which help student understand the Constitution accurately. They will appreciate the great leaders of our country. There will be no propaganda. I choose what reading material and textbook I use in class. I am not forced to change anything that I have done well for over 30 years.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Failed program, after failed program. The feds can't even balance a checkbook, let alone run education.

How's that Head Start program working out? Has poverty been reduced?

What happened to cooperative learning?

Has standardized testing improved education?

the greater truth
Bountiful, UT

@bill in af

How would you know? Do you know what is on the tests? Do you know created the tests? What and who's standards are you following?

While you may choose anything you want to teach in the class room,, IF your students do not pass the test. then by necessity you must change what is taught in the class room to prepare them for the test.

You must teach to the test.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

So what is the propoganda against the founding fathers and Lincoln in which you speak the greater truth?

Could you cite some specific examples in the common core or whatever? I am curious to see "your interpretation" of history.

bill in af
American Fork, UT

@the greater truth: There is NO state or national test based on common core for history. Teachers assess students based on the standards they feel are essential to know.

the greater truth
Bountiful, UT

@bill in af

If there's no history, what kind of stands is commoncore?

Reading comprehension and writing materials cover everything from the writings of radicals like karl marx, to global warming, to propagandized readings of the constitution, our history and who the founding fathers are.

Some of the indoctrination is quite subtitle some quite blatant.

Do your own research and do not believe what you are being told by the left.

not all is well.

Others here have noted many other serious problems with commoncore:

egregious violations of privacy with vast amounts of data collection (what will that be used for?),
Bad math being taught, math without any foundation for the basics to put it in simple terms,
all students being treated the same, like widgets made by a factory, to fit a standard created by who knows who, it especially hurt students who have individual needs,
strings are being attached to common core with more strings being attached all the time,
loss of local control and parental involvement,

do your own research,

the left tells you to let others do the thinking that everything is fine, that should throw up warning flags right there.

HuckFan
Finger, TN

Here is where AP got the comment "We need to stop fighting Common Core". The ONLY PROBLEM IS MIKE HUCKABEE DID NOT SAY THAT. HERE IS WHAT HE SAID IN THE Q & A TO POLITICO AT THE National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference--

Huckabee, Mike
i want to address the common core question. i think it has become toxic and radioactive. it is a controversial topic on both the left and right. you have equal disregard or repulsion from people on the left and right when it comes to common core. i don't want to fight over a program. i want to fight for students. the fight is not about what it is called. it is making sure that we elevate to the highest level challenging academic standards for students. if we are going to divide ourselves over common core, let's stop that. let's not stop the fight whether we you are on the right or left for saying we want our students to achieve to the highest level they're capable of. they can't do that if we dumb down the schools.

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