Frozen Fractals said:"You already got two from the past couple
weeks in that other thread. Did you just ignore those?"======Blacks make up approximately 13% of the US population. In hard numbers,
this is approximately 39,000,000. We've listened to race
hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, the rioting crowd in Ferguson, and
Liberals all over the media and nation tell us that what happened in Ferguson
Missouri is happening all over our nation. We've been told that Black men
being abused or killed by white police officers has reached epidemic
proportions. So, again I ask, please provide us a list of all the
injustices and death met out by white police officers to Black Americans. If
this is truly an epidemic, and it's happening all the time, this should be
a piece of cake...right? Sorry, but 2 examples out of 39 million Black
Americans doesn't sound like an epidemic. I'm ready to believe, just
show me the examples...it should be easy peasy.
"Michael Brown did nothing to justify his murder."Prejudge
much?What's your theory? That the officer (who evidently has a
clean record) woke up one day and thought, "you know, I think I'll go
shoot some random black kid today"? Seriously. What's
your theory of what happened?
Statistics indicate that blacks are shot by police at roughly five times the
rate as whites.Evidence of racism, right? Case closed?Only if you're lazy and innumerate.Blacks also commit serious
crimes (rape, robbery, murder) at roughly six to eight times the rate of whites.
So, statistically, assuming that police are equally zealous in
fighting crime regardless of the offender's race, you should expect that
blacks should get shot by police roughly six to eight times as often as whites
are.They're actually getting shot *less* than you should expect
in a color-blind world.
@Mountanman"Why don't Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton go to Chicago
and make these same speeches about the hundreds of black on black murders that
happen everyday?"First off... there's a difference when the
killers are arrested and charged, and there's a difference when it involves
police officers. If you can't figure out the difference between Martin or
Brown as opposed to another incident where the murderer is arrested on the spot
and charged... I don't know what to say.Secondly, there is a
lot of activism in the cities with regards to gun violence. Where do you think
all that gun control activism is generated from? People being angry with the
violence they see in their cities, so they want things done about it. You just
don't see it because inter-city discussions like that don't often make
national news, especially on conservative news sources like Fox. If you watch
something like Melissa Harris-Perry's show then you'll see a lot of
coverage of those types of things.
@Svenn"Please enumerate all of the cases of violence perpetrated by
white police officers on Black Men. Since we're being told this is an
epidemic, specificity should be very easy"You already got two
from the past couple weeks in that other thread. Did you just ignore those?
Why don't Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton go to Chicago and make these same
speeches about the hundreds of black on black murders that happen everyday?
Answer that question and you will discover the profitability of "race
hustling"! Sharpton is worth about $5 million and Jackson is worth about $10
million! Guess where their money comes from!
Crump said, "verifies that the witness accounts were true: that he was shot
multiple times."So? That's not relevant to anything. Even if it
were true and he were innocent and unarmed -which reports are increasingly
saying was not the case, why loot other people in their own neighborhood? Why go
about posing violent criminal threats to people who had nothing to do with what
happened -except perhaps that they were the owners of stores now looted that the
deceased reportedly robbed? In NY we endured weeks of Al Sharpton on the
fraudulent case of Tawana Brawley and other equally bogus race baiting cases.
Oddly Sharpton and Crump types never seem to express the same outrage over the
1000 times more frequent murders among people in those neighborhoods. Where is
the outrage for the violent criminal element which commits 1000 such murders for
every time a cop kills anyone under disputed circumstances?
Somewhere I heard that journalists should report the news not make the news.The best way to defuse Ferguson would be for the reporters and their cameras
to just leave the area. Let the protesters protest without giving them a
pulpit. As long as the news organizations continue to show up at night lighting
up the area with their floods, the protesters and out of state agitators will
continue to give them a show and endanger the lives of the Ferguson residents
The family of the murdered teen, Michael Brown, the family have taken the high
ground and called for peaceful protests not violence not looting. Good for that
family.Michael Brown did nothing to justify his murder. The police
have a lot of explaining to do and the situation should have been explained
already. Now there will be a grand jury, that will take weeks if not months.
People in this community deserve to hear the facts now, not rumors, not half
facts, but the written record that investigators have.Now I
don't trust law enforcement as much as I used to, this one's a real
tragedy of over-reaction or maybe deep seated misjudgement based on raceNow I do recognize better the problem that some of my friends who are
African American have with law enforcement, and especially with this law
Wonder if Michael Brown's family wants 10 days of unrest, the destruction
of their community, and the thousands and thousands of dollars all of that is
costing taxpayers including their friends and neighbors? Even if their grief
they should speak up and call for peace in their community while they are
waiting to see if there is some justice for their son. Those that call for
justice there don't understand true justice would be having their son back
and that is not going to happen.
Frozen Fractals said:"And the 12 who committed those murders...
have they been arrested? Are they being charged with crimes? Are they in
positions of authority? Those details are pretty important when it comes to why
one situation is getting different reactions than another."It
doesn't matter what evidence is presented to a liberal; they will find
racism in anything and everything.I posed this question in another
thread, but haven't had any takers yet. Why don't you take a crack at
it:Please enumerate all of the cases of violence perpetrated by
white police officers on Black Men. Since we're being told this is an
epidemic, specificity should be very easy. Please provide us the names of the
Black men, the white police officers, injuries or deaths, and other details of
these cases. We're being told this is happening all of the time, it should
be easy to provide an abundance of incidences proving this assertion??I eagerly await your answer (And yes, I'm serious).
Just what have the local Ferguson merchants done, either white or black, to
deserve being looted? How has this freebie of robbery improved the situation?
@ FT:If Ferguson were to change their municipal demographics in the
direction you are insinuating, their city would then look a lot like a small
Detroit, which does have a mostly Black police force, mayor and city council...
and has had so for many decades. And to be honest, it doesn't seem to
be working out so well for them or for most other mostly Black communities who
have voted accordingly. Balance seems to usually work out a lot better. The Ferguson police chief said he has been open to hiring more Blacks
for some time. But they have encountered a general lack of interest from their
majority African American population segment. And of those who have shown an
interest, most haven't been able to pass the state instituted and state
required test. Exactly how does that translate to racism being alive and
well in our country? If you are talking about reverse-racism, then maybe you
have a valid point, since there are growing indicators that it has been
happening via affirmative action and other such programs. Getting
more Blacks to vote won't change any of what you are contending.
Can you imagine what Ferguson would look like if all these people rioting
actually got out and voted? You have one black police officer on a squad where
the general population is 90% black. Racism is alive and well in our country
and part of the problem is those being oppressed would rather blow off a little
steam every once in awhile instead of registering to vote and electing
politicans to change their communities.
The protestors are, for the most part, seeking confrontation hoping to
precipitate another "police brutality" episode for their phone video. If
people sincerely wanted to be constructive they would improve education, provide
job opportunities and counsel the community in responsible conflict resolution.
@patriot"Interesting isn't it that in Chicago over the past
weekend you had 12 black on black murders ...in ONE weekend...and where is
Holder and his team? Not to be found...EVER!! "And the 12 who
committed those murders... have they been arrested? Are they being charged with
crimes? Are they in positions of authority? Those details are pretty important
when it comes to why one situation is getting different reactions than another.
re:george of the jungleActually the eyes of the nation are waiting
for the investigation to conclude so we know what REALLY happened here. There
are conflicting wild accusations all over the board with this and there are race
- haters and race - aggitators taking full advantage of the situation. Cooler
heads must prevail and allow the justice system to do its work. We have video of
Michael robbing a store and we now have eye witness testamony to suggest that
Michael never did hold his hands in the air (and the bullet wounds support
that). Michael actually taunted then changed the officer according to the eye
witness. We need to wait and not convict anyone until we know what
happened. The race hustlers (sharpton and Jackson) need to go home. CNN needs to
apologize for shamefully giving out the officers home address which may endanger
the officer and his family. This entire thing is a circus. Where is
our leader??? Golfing...
I watched this 'circus' last night. What a waste of TV air time. This
has turned into nothing more than a forum for the 'race hustlers' to
make some money and a time for political race aggitators such as Eric Holder to
exploit the situation for poltical gain. Interesting isn't it that in
Chicago over the past weekend you had 12 black on black murders ...in ONE
weekend...and where is Holder and his team? Not to be found...EVER!! The same
thing plays out in every major US city but somehow Holder isn't worried
about that ...he is looking for an opportunity to pit black against white and
stir up nation wide anger. Holder has already described what "his"
outcome of this case should be and that is the indictment of the police officer
and I have no doubt Holder will intimidate and pull any dirty punch to get his
outcome....and who cares about the facts of the case. This is a pattern with
Obama we have seen any time a black / white situation boils up....the man
can't help call the police "stupid" or make some other careless
There are too many people emotionally invested in this case to accept a verdict
based on the evidence if that verdict goes against their preconceived
notions.In the Trayvon Martin case, there were those who believed
that it was totally racially motivated even though the guy who shot him was not
white (although they tried to paint him as white in the press) and none of the
evidence supported that theory.If it were a common occurance in this
country for white police officers to shoot polite, unarmed black youth then the
marchers would have a very strong case for all their protests. But the stats
just don't bear that out. Police shootings are pretty rare.Black on black gun violence within gangs is a lot more common, yet you
don't hear much about that problem at all from the race-baiters. The media
will talk about this all day, yet won't even mention a few dozen gang
deaths in Chicago over a short period of time.
The troublemakers are only a small amount of people. They are probably Black
Panthers or NOI in disguise. But it doesn't help when the police are
harassing reporters and keeping this guy on paid leave when there is enough
evidence for probable cause.
@ george jungle:We are free people and not enslaved regardless of
what plays out in this incident. You are way over-dramatizing the situation. It
is only one situation that is being overly perpetuated by the excessive media
coverage. If there wasn't for over a hundred media teams and cameras there
nightly, the riots would be much smaller, since there wouldn't be anyone to
make a scene for. Human nature loves attention... especially TV attention.
And so do race hustlers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who are both there
inflaming passions in negative ways and making the situation worse. Also, people (mostly youth) who don't know Brown or give a hoot about him
are using this as an excuse to loot and steal from stores to appease their
something-for-nothing mentality. There is absolutely no way such behavior could
honor anyone's memory. It's ludicrous. The officer
involved in the initial incident had a spotless record and nothing to indicate
any racial motives. More and more evidence is supporting the official police
version of what happened. Brown and his friend were on drugs and had just robbed
a store. They were the aggressors.
The latest pathology report I saw explained on TV indicated 6 shots hit Michael
Brown's arm and shoulder area and 2 shots hit his head. Based on how the
shots entered his arm, it's most likely his arms were down at the time.
Also, no shots were made to his back side as some earlier reports erroneously
said.As the first comment mentioned, more and more evidence is now
backing the official police version of what happened. The officer initially did
not know Brown and his friend had just minutes before robbed a store and
assaulted its owner. However, the police dispatcher informed him about it before
the main confrontation with Brown occurred. Both that recent robbery
and the drugs found in Brown's system help to explain his aggressive
behavior toward the officer. A newly released You-Tube video being made by
a couple of Black guys at that same time and very nearby has them commenting
about the incident as it was happening. They concur with the police version of
what happened... that Brown did charge the officer after initially fleeing the
fight and kept charging until the fatal head shot was fired.
If this police officer was of the same race, it wouldn't be in the world
news.Instead we have political leaders stirring the pot, and
dividing the country.We get what we vote for!
The eyes of the world are watching. to see what the out come will determine if
we are free people or if we are enslaved.
A lynching we will go ,a mobbing we will go, high ho the daryo a looting we will
go. Just remeber to say its all to remember uh ..uh that man who was shot.
Pathetic, and again the cop is tried and convicted before and in spite of
evidence in his support.If what the protestors say is true then yes the cop
should be tried, proven guilty and then go to jail. However, the evidence keeps
mounting in defense of the Cop and if it turns out this Cop was justified and is
vinidcated every protestor should feel like a fool and apologize to their
neighbors and if I had my way be made to do mandatory community service for
harassing and terrorizing their neighbors and the police.