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Published: Wednesday, July 30 2014 7:40 a.m. MDT

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Hamath
Omaha, NE

I agree with the Republicans here. President Obama is seemingly cherry picking which laws to enforce. For example, Holder is doing an outstanding job nailing corporate greed. Banks, Johnson and Johnson, Southwest, etc. the list goes on an on. The Justice Department is enforcing federal law in these lines. Much better than Bush's administration did. But the President has openly stated that he will not enforce law after law that he disagrees with. (marijuana and other drug laws, same sex marriage bans, etc, not to mention the Affordable Care Act issue that the Republicans bring up here). He should execute the laws as he has sworn and allow the normal process to overturn them. His use of executive orders has far far outpaced other presidents and does seem like legislating and not executing the law. The ACA issue does seem to stink of political expediency.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

The Constitution already provides a remedy for a President thinks has gone rogue... it's called Impeachment and the House has sole authority over that power.

The Court will most likely say something along those lines and dismiss the suit due to lack of standing.

The GOP talks of loving a Constitution, they just choose to not follow it when it comes to governing.

The Reader
Layton, UT

The lawsuit is a publicity stunt! A waist of taxpayers money. Instead of the lawsuit they should do something useful like working with the President instead of spending all their time trying to make him a one term president as they did for the first four years of his presidency.

If both parties would set aside their petty squabbles and do what they were elected to do - ie work together for the good of the country to solve the many problems we have instead of all the fighting they both have done. I will have to admit that the republicans have been the most unreasonable and the most hateful of the two parties.

not here
COLORADO SPRINGS, CO

Hamath:

Sir, would you please post just where you got came up with your information that he has out paced other presidents with his use of executive orders. I have not looked it up, (just lazy )but I think Bush JR used his executive power a lot more that Obama has but I might be wrong.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

The House is within its legitimate powers in taking this measure. Whether it's an abuse of power or another tactical maneuver for political advantage is possible as well. I'll say this much for the House GOP. Those guys never quit trying. If it doesn't pay off for them, I'm sure they will come up with something else in no time.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Hamath, you are absolutely correct. Here is a list.

Eisenhower = 484
Kennedy = 214
Johnson = 325
Nixon = 346
Ford = 169
Carter = 320
Reagan = 381
Bush I = 166
Clinton = 364
Bush II = 291
Obama = 183

This information is so easily available that the only reason anyone tries to claim that Obama has surpassed other presidents is because they are willfully avoiding the truth.

intervention
slc, UT

Another good day of fundraising for democrates handed to them on a silver platter by the GOP.

worf
Mcallen, TX

This isn't about Democrats vs Republicans, or what other presidents have done.

The truth is:

* our country is almost eighteen trillion dollars in debt
* we have a president who will not protect our border
* American education is pathetic
* gas prices have doubled in the past six years
* poverty, and dependency on government are increasing
* the IRS will get you if you don't purchase health insurance
* criminals, and terrorists are being freed
* billions of dollars, of military weapons are being sent through the world

George Bush is gone! Let's quit the blaming and fix the problem.

silo
Sandy, UT

"This isn't about Democrats vs Republicans, or what other presidents have done."

Really? Cite a single source on this lawsuit that does not reference Obama's 'unprecedented' use of executive orders. The first comment in this thread, by Hamath, claims Obama has 'far outpaced' past presidents in use of executive orders.

The claims are false, the Republican base believes the lies, and this lawsuit is nothing more than an attempt to play to that base. If the house had any stones at all, they'd impeach. Instead, they engage in this wasteful, gutless display of partisan politics.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Worf
You wrote:
"George Bush is gone! Let's quit the blaming and fix the problem."

Not so fast my friend!

September 11, 2001 The World Trade Center in NYC was destroyed. The buildings that took 10 years
to built were destroyed in matter of minutes or hours. How long would take to rebuild them ?

What I am trying to say my friend is that the Bush Administration destroyed an economy that took 8 years to built. It is easier to destroy, the challenge is in building or re-building something good.

Despite the GOP controlled Hosue the economy of the U.S.A. has improved in the last 6 years. Our unemployment has decreased. More Americans than ever have access to health. The United States is once again considered a leader on the International Stage. All these accomplisments working against the obstructionism of the Republican Party.

The GOP has done nothing for this country in the last 14 years.

This lawsuit is nothing else than a strategy to somehow unify their divided party. If they are successful, well, more power to them. They know that beyond the symbolism their lawsuit has no teeth.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

@worf

The truth is:

* our country is almost eighteen trillion dollars in debt
* we have a president who will not protect our border
* American education is pathetic
* gas prices have doubled in the past six years
* poverty, and dependency on government are increasing
* the IRS will get you if you don't purchase health insurance
* criminals, and terrorists are being freed
* billions of dollars, of military weapons are being sent through the world

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Exactly which if any of these issues will the lawsuit fix?

VST
Bountiful, UT

From the article: “They've [Democrats] branded the effort a political charade aimed at stirring up Republican voters for the fall congressional elections.”

Yep, just like this impeachment nonsense coming from the White House and the DNC is a political charade aimed at stirring up Democrat voters for the fall congressional elections.

Monkey see – monkey do!

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@Darrel,

According to the Constitution, Impeachment is appropriate when there has been evidence of “…high crimes and misdemeanors…”

What Obama has done regarding Executive Orders, related to Immigration and implementation of Obamacare, does NOT rise to that level.

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@Hammath and @one old man,

Not ALL Executive Orders are illegal. Most do not attempt to “modify” the intent of the law for which they are issued, but merely to implement the intent of that law.

Most Executive Orders issued by President Obama would be considered fully legal. But some that he has issued, especially for Obamacare and Immigration, may possibly be deemed illegal. Hence the law suit from the House for exceeding his executive authority granted under the Constitution in these instances.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

@VST

What Obama has done regarding Executive Orders, related to Immigration and implementation of Obamacare, does NOT rise to that level.

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If he broke the law in his administration, what kind of crime would that be? Was his activity illegal? Sounds like a "High Crime" or "Misdemeanor".

VST
Bountiful, UT

@Darrel,

Only in your own mind Darrel. You are vainly attempting to make a politically motivated point – it is not working with me.

In typical legal parlance, what Obama has done doesn’t come close to the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors, nor did it in the case with Bill Clinton where he lied (my opinion). What Richard Nixon did, that could well be considered high crimes and misdemeanors.

Hence, the lawsuit – not impeachment.

intervention
slc, UT

@vst

11 Republican lawmakers – Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, Rep. Steve Stockman of Michigan and Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas, had floated the idea of impeachment, and several high-profile Republican candidates, including Iowa U.S. Senate hopeful Joni Ernst, put impeachment on the table.
Then there is the tea party cheer leader SAra Palin called for impeachment in a July $th op-ed piece but sure it's all just non sense from democrates.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Baccus0902
actually the economy was destroyed by the elimination of credit standards forced on fannie and freddie by barney frank. Sure, other things contributed, but that was the trigger that created the housing bubble. TARP, passed in the waning nhours of the bush administration and voted for by BO (I'll give him credit for that), stopped the free-fall and allowed the economy to start to recover.

A lot of TARP was wasted, but it DID stop the free-fall, and when Paulsen was still treasury sec, it was more wisely administered than when geithner, who had problems with the IRS, took over.

The US economy is huge and does not turn on a dime, it took until Q2 2009 for TARP to fully stop the slide.

the US economy has improved MORE with a GOP house than it did with a dem house, even with a dem senate and the utterly incompetent BO in the WH.

the DEM party has done nothing for this country in its entire existence - other than start a civil war to keep slavery, which spelled the death of the 10th amendment, resegregated the armed forces, intered US citizens in concentration camps, etc.

Hamath
Omaha, NE

@ one old man

I appreciate the source of the # of executive orders. I did not know that. I had heard differently and obviously I had heard wrong!

May I suggest you consider an alternative to your "anyone tries to claim that Obama has surpassed other presidents is because they are willfully avoiding the truth." It is hurtful and unnecessary and really not thought through. Unlike political crazies, there are those who listen. Like "not here", I hadn't checked it out, thought it was just true.

I'm concerned by some of the abuses of the Obama administration, but less so with this fact. I thought he was going over the top with the executive orders and now I know he had actually been at least "moderate" in their use. Probably on Bush's pace since he still has some time left. It doesn't change what I see as abuses that I have mentioned already, but certainly makes the lawsuit seem less justifiable.

LittleStream
Carson City, NV

I would much rather see the Republicans actually "do something". Like vote for veterans care before they trot off on their 5 week vacation. What a tragedy they are for this country! What a horrid waste of tax dollars their salaries are! Election time is coming!

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Since his beginning he has not towed the line defending our country and principles of our Constitution from a supposedly Constitutional attorney and professor. Getting the Nobel Peace prize before he did anything didn't help his pride efforts. When he told members of Congress and the Senate to vote on the ACA and then read it was subverting the system of elected officials duty to constituents. There is a system for a reason. If we want future Presidents to do the same type of maneuvering as he continues to do, it is sad but he needs to learn he is not a king type of executive. We have Representatives from over 400 districts and Senators from 50 states that have sworn to uphold the law and make laws in an orderly manner. The system has some weaknesses but those are of the men and women who are to ensure the laws are upheld. Even the Supreme Court can be stuffed with people who don't uphold the Constitution or the law of order, as in the days of the judges and kings. They don't necessarily like the prophets.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

The number of executive orders does not necessarily imply that a president is overstepping his bounds. I think we can all agree that some executive orders are more serious infringements than others.

Think about what Nixon did. Now compare it to what Obama has done and is still doing. If Nixon deserved impeachment, Obama certainly does. The main difference between the situations Nixon and Obama face is that Nixon had the press and many Republicans against him, while Obama has the press and countless numbers of low-information voters (and some people who apparently can vote more than once or vote while dead) who worship him and can see no wrong in him.

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