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Published: Saturday, July 26 2014 6:45 p.m. MDT

Updated: Saturday, July 26 2014 7:33 p.m. MDT

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Cottonwood Heights, UT

This is not about wages for workers based on skills they bring to the job, this is about gaining power for union bosses, especially the thuggish SEIU, and the perpetually aggrieved NAACP which will see any effort to keep wages low for unskilled, uneducated, entry level workers as an excuse for charging "racism" and bringing out Jesse Jackson to shake down corporations.

People earn low wages because that is all their labor and skills is worth to the employer. Burger flipping is supposed to be entry level work for people to learn skills, responsibility, initiative, manners, people skills, and be able to work up to better paying jobs. If anyone is still earning entry level pay in an entry level job after four years, they have no skills, or initiative. No one deserves higher wages unless they earn them.

Anyone who wants to support these protesters is welcome to start a "Welfare Burgers" business and pay people $15 or $50 per hour and see how long they can provide any jobs at all.

Economics is hard. Class warfare rhetoric is easy and can always count on the support of Peter when demonizing Paul and seeking to take Paul's money.

Lilalips
Attleboro, MA

They don't realize that they are being used by the Unions, whose membership has been in a steady decline in the past decade. Working at a fast food joint was never meant to provide a "living" wage to any other than managers. Most of the jobs are part time. You don't have to know much to work at such a restaurant. Teens in high school are traditionally the staffers of these types of businesses. If these workers are not careful they will be replaced by robots who are already being designed.

worf
Mcallen, TX

In a classroom, some are honor roll students, while others fail or just get by.

Should the ones who fail get the same pay as the honor roll students?

Should a bugger flipper earn the same as a dentist?

On the other hand
Riverdale, MD

I'm bothered by the growing income inequality in the United States. CEOs make way too much money, and the average American worker doesn't make enough. Having said that, I have a problem with fast food workers in places like Phoenix demanding an 82% increase in pay simply because they are parents or adults. The work they do is still just work the average high school student is fully qualified to do. Taking orders at McDonald's was never meant to be a career. Maybe we as a society should provide low-cost vocational training, to give these people a clear path to something better. But I'm pretty sure we shouldn't just give them a hefty raise for doing unskilled labor.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

Good for them. Everyone deserves a working wage.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Fire them and send them a message.......there are plenty of workers waiting to take their place......

You get paid what your worth.....

Spoons
Lake Tahoe, NV

It sounds great until actual economics are considered. If you pay the workers $15 an hour how much would McDonald's need to charge for a Big Mac? $20? No Big Mac is worth that much and the store would go out of business.

Get an education (not liberal arts) or go to technical school and gain some skills that will require your employer to give you a living wage. This stuff makes me so mad - minimum wage was never intended to support a family.

RRB
SLC, UT

For years we have had record breaking legal immigration, and sadly illegal immigration that's not being enforced. With them comes the international unions, and's getting interesting.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

Not everyone can be a nuclear scientist, or a wizard on Wall Street. Not everyone has the ability ($ or brains) to go to university. Not everyone wants to put in more than 40 hours a week at work (might have to raise kids).

Accepting these facts, how much nerve does it take to tell an adult trying to make ends meet that he/she ought to make slave wages? Since we exported our better paying factory jobs and have turned our collective backs on collective bargaining, where do people with low skills and minimal education find a job that pays a living wage?

And, besides all that, how are we paying for the ancillary services that these people require anyway? By this I mean, if they can not earn enough to eat, pay rent, and get medical care, then just where does the money to pay for these come from? (Hint: we pay it, though our government.)

Well, I would prefer to see people make living wages, pay for what they need with the money they earn, and get the government out of subsidizing people. Isn't that the conservative point of view?

worf
Mcallen, TX

@ordinaryfolks:

"Everyone deserves a working wage"?----Why?

That's crazy!

"Everyone earns, and are responsible for their working wage"!

Is our nation becoming a welfare state?

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@Spoons
" If you pay the workers $15 an hour how much would McDonald's need to charge for a Big Mac? $20?"

If we pretend that 100% of the cost of a Big Mac is due to wages of employees either at McDonalds or some earlier step (which isn't true at all so it'd be lower than what the estimate is) and the minimum wage doubled, the price for a Big Mac would double to 6 dollars, not go to 20 dollars.

fish8
Vernal, UT

$15 and hour is higher than the starting wage for a Social Worker working for the State of Utah. What a joke.

Brent T. Aurora CO
Aurora, CO

Should a bugger flipper earn the same as a dentist?

Yes.

Should a man who can throw a football or a woman who have her photo air brushed wearing famous underwear or some over hyped tween from Canada singing into a synthesized mike make more than dentist?

People need/want to eat. Serving food is noble profession, as are janitorial service, yard maintenance, garbage collection, road work... It is flawed logic where we decide that one person's livelihood is worth more than others when our society functions on the work of all these "low skill" jobs.

As to the price of your burger going up, look to the compensation (hundreds of millions each) going the the executives of these restaurant corporations. Cut their pay!

In fact we should move to "system of 20" where every company can try to maximize profit and their ideas, but the highest paid person in any company cannot make more than 20 times what the lowest paid person makes.

jskains
Orem, UT

There are already test models of fast food operations that are completely automated. Those automation techniques actually produce signifiicantly more consistant product. This behavior will just drive businesses to look at it more.. Ultmately though, 1. Fast Food is not a CAREER. It's a starter gig, and 2. raising salary simply raises the cost of living for everyone and ultimately makes the new "minimum wage" a non-living wage. When I was working a minimum wage job, I got $4.25. Its now almost twice that, and everyone is still complaining. At $15, it will simply drive up costs of everything to complensate, making $15 a non-living wage. It's just not a well thought out tactic. But I do say one more time, fast food is NOT a career, nor was it intended to be.

jskains
Orem, UT

@Brent We call that communism.

jskains
Orem, UT

"Should a burger flipper earn the same as a dentist"

I can't actually believe this was said. A burger flipper is a simple task. It can easily be replaced with a robot. A dentist is a delicate task that can actually affect lives. It takes years of skill and training. It takes a lot of money to go through college. And if a dentist makes as much as a burger flipper, what is the incentive to be an awesome dentist? We'd basically end up with no dentists. Who would go through all that training if you can just be a burger flipper? That's insane...

Coach Biff
Lehi, UT

Didn't someone once say that socialism is a great idea until you run out of someone else's money? I can't believe that I am in agreement with Red Corvette.....

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

Increased wages demand Increased production.

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