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Cap would only benefit those making more than $250,000

Published: Friday, July 25 2014 11:23 a.m. MDT

Updated: Friday, July 25 2014 11:23 a.m. MDT

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madsjim83
Layton, UT

Fine? I thought the Obama Admin and Chief Justice Roberts determined it to be a 'tax'. I'm so glad that I as a citizen in good standing can be fined, wait..taxed, wait...fined, to subsidize someone else's healthcare.

Just because the rest of the world choose to provide sub standard government health care to their citizens doesn't make it right or proper for us to do so. Private health care providers have an incentive to create a product that consumers want. if there wasn't so much regulation, collusion and lobbying between the government and large insurance companies, there wouldn't have been so many people left without affordable health care options supplemented with catastrophic insurance.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Thank you Obama for your care.

Our freedoms, and liberties have been modified.

Morgan Duel
Taylorsville, UT

Wow! Let me see, I am fined if I don't have insurance, fined if I don't have a permit to use Federal Land, fined if I drive to fast on the Federal Highways. Won't be long until we will become like China and be in trouble for having children.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

So I'm confused as to whether it is a tax or a fine. Obama promised us it was a fine, not a tax. Then the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional as a fine. So either Obamacare is unconstitutional, or else Obama is a liar.

The law Obama could only get passed by calling it a "fine" is unconstitutional, and the constitutional version of the law (it being a tax, not a fine) could not have passed. The Supreme Court essentially made Obama a liar.

Hey It's Me
Salt Lake City, UT

Inmates are exempt because when I pay my taxes it covers their healthcare while they are in prison. They get better health care than I do with my plan ! Thank You Obama!

JimInSLC
Salt Lake City, UT

Obamacare was never about providing affordable healthcare to the American people. This is the reason, collection of fines to finance a broke government.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

No matter what you call it, it is still cheaper to pay the fine or tax than it is to actually buy insurance.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The 'fines' represent an offset of the cost people who refuse to get insurance impose on government for medical care they can't simply pay for. I'd bet they don't even cover that. Instead of imposing fines, let's get rid of insurance. Replace it with a single payer health care system, cover everyone, and save money.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

RedShirt: "No matter what you call it, it is still cheaper to pay the fine or tax than it is to actually buy insurance."

Don't worry. The fines will keep increasing every year until that is no longer true. The only question is how long it will take for the massive fine increases to exceed the massive insurance premium increases under Obamacare.

rvalens2
Burley, ID

I'll pay the fine. Once it gets beyond what I can afford to pay, they call haul me off to prison and provide me with free health care.

rvalens2
Burley, ID

Fascism (the melding of government's laws and corporations) has come to America. We are no longer a free people once the government can order us to buy a service or a product, just because we are alive.

And please don't respond with, "Well, you're required to buy car insurance." There is no requirement to own or drive a car in America.

FT
salt lake city, UT

It's a reality that some people will simply refuse to accept responsibilty for themself no matter how much the fine, tax or punishment. I'm not sure its as high as 47% but it's significant none the less. Then again we have local, elected politicans that won't even accept responsibilty for the mortgages they legally entered into. Seems we can find irresponsible people throughout all segments of our country.

Deseretina
Murray, UT

Such hyperbole from the freedom crowd! If only they were as concerned about freedom constraints locally... Utah's hypocrisy is almost endearing.

Dragline
Orem, UT

Funny that most posting here are against Obamacare yet seem to know nothing about it.

@Riverton Cougar says "Then the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional as a fine."
No, SCOTUS (acutally Roberts) said the mandate was a tax. And when the majority of SCOTUS says it is Constitutional then it is.

@rvalens2 "Fascism (the melding of government's laws and corporations) "
No, Fascism is not defined as this. And can you please decide if Obama is a communist or a fascist? Maybe then you will see he is really neither.

@Redshirt "No matter what you call it, it is still cheaper to pay the fine or tax than it is to actually buy insurance."
But then you have no insurance and we have to pay for your healthcare.

@Hey It's Me "Inmates are exempt because when I pay my taxes it covers their healthcare while they are in prison. They get better health care than I do with my plan ! Thank You Obama!"
Do you really think that Obama started paying for prison healthcare? Really?

Obamacare has problems, but let's keep the conversation focused and realistic.

Tators
Logan, UT

@ Dragline:

The really ironic thing is that even Obama doesn't seem to know a lot about Obamacare.
Remember, if you want to keep your doctor or your insurance, you can do so... period.

Right. And if we would rather not participate in such a farce, we'll no be charged thousands of dollars per year.

BTW: Obama has been showing signs of preference for both fascism and communism. But as to his overall preference, he's still trying to decide on that. He still waffles a lot. Just like he's done with many (if not most) of campaign promises. After all, his was promised to be the most transparent administration in history. That's become a late-night comedy joke.

And the promise to cut the federal deficit in half sounded really good. Instead, he's almost doubled it... literally. And his energy policies have literally doubled the price of gasoline from the first day he was elected.

And America's traditional motto of peace through strength is now history. There's hardly a nation in the world who still considers America a superpower. Our enemies no longer fear us anymore. We've become a paper tiger.

madsjim83
Layton, UT

@Hutterite and @Dragline have expressed belief that government uses the fine...err....tax, to cover those who choose not to buy insurance.

Since the government is now covering the loses incurred by insurers on the state & federal market, then you could argue that unpaid bills raise negotiated rates, but what of the uninsured who pay their own way? Why are they being penalized? Why assume the uninsured force necessarily force a cost upon the government.

Both of these posters are who misunderstand the ACA. The fine...err...tax is merely a means to force healthy people who in the past chose not to buy insurance into subsidizing high risk insures. That is what is unfair about the ACA and is a large reason why many oppose it.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

Obmacare, based on Romneycare is actually more evidence of facism and corporate control of government.

The insurance companies LOVE LOVE LOVE the mandate for you to buy insurance, but they hate the idea of having to give you anything for your money. Hobby Lobby is just a tentacle in that plan BTW.

Note: Liberals never wanted this plan republicans thought up. If you like your Medicare, let everyone have it.

Sven
Morgan, UT

For you folks clambering for single-payer, you had better rethink what you're hoping for. Medicare is a microcosm of government run, single-payer healthcare. Ask a person on Medicare how often they’re turned down for medical treatments and surgeries, and how long they’re asked to wait for certain healthcare treatments.

BTW, like most government run programs Medicare is poorly managed and on the verge of bankruptcy. Those screaming loudest for single-payer are going to be the ones most disillusioned when it becomes reality. You're going to find out the sacrifices single-payer is going to force you to make.

Obama has lied about every aspect of Obamacare, yet his sycophants trust him without question. Totalitarians always rely on those easily swayed by utopian fantasies.

rvalens2
Burley, ID

"@rvalens2 - Fascism (the melding of government's laws and corporations). No, Fascism is not defined as this. And can you please decide if Obama is a communist or a fascist? Maybe then you will see he is really neither." - Dragline

You really should study the history of fascism. The Italian dictator Benito Mussolini (an avowed fascist) called it "the merger of state and corporate power." I would call the Federal government ordering me to buy a corporation's product, in this case insurance, fascism.

By the way, if you'll look at what I wrote, you'll see I never called Obama a fascist nor a communist. You also never defined your view of what fascism is; since you seem pretty certain that my interpretation is wrong.

If the Federal government can order me to buy health insurance just because I'm alive, what's next?

worf
Mcallen, TX

What is the IRS (KGB?) going to do if you don't pay your fine, and there's not enough of a refund to cover it?

Close your bank accounts, or repo your house? Hmm? Jail?

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