I'm flabbergasted at the people here who are claiming that President Obama
and the government are persecuting them and their religion because they
aren't allowed to discriminate against others as they would like. To
compare any restrictions in the ACA to the persecution of religious beliefs
around the world is unbelievable. A look at reports from other nations shows
people sentenced to death for converting, mosques, churches and synagogues blown
up or burned down, people driven from their homes for their beliefs, children
taken from their families because of religion, women suffering genital
mutilation because of someone else's beliefs, and much more. If you want
to feel persecuted, go to North Korea or Saudi Arabia and start handing out
bibles to people, or try building a synagogue in Iraq. It's like going to a
group of people who've been beaten half to death or had family members
killed for their faith and telling them "I'm suffering too. Someone was
rude to me because of my belief." Get a grip, folks. We've got it
Objectified said: "While people are fighting the government in China to put
crosses up, some people in America are fighting the government to bring them
down." Not off churches but off public land, can't see the
difference, look to Iran, or another theocracy for sympathy.Hopefully, enough people will remain vigilant and not let our government
quietly take them away one at a time, which they sometimes attempt to do under
the false premise of supposedly knowing what's best for us.Take
what away? People for their thoughts? Religion? or public monies spent on
private religious opinion in a public square?The fear and loathing
that radio brings to your life, how's that working out, any new advances on
tinfoil hat technology?
So is Hobby Lobby still going to buy all their products from China, or is that a
different moral issue that can be ignored to increase their bottom line.
@ Jamescmeyer:Thanks for your comment. That's an excellent
point you brought up indicating a noticeable irony in our society.While people are fighting the government in China to put crosses up, some
people in America are fighting the government to bring them down. Very ironic.
That particular thought and comparison makes me appreciate our
freedoms in America just a little bit more than I already do... which is a lot!
Hopefully, enough people will remain vigilant and not let our
government quietly take them away one at a time, which they sometimes attempt to
do under the false premise of supposedly knowing what's best for us.
While people in China fight to put up crosses despite the oppresive government,
people in America seek to use government to force us to take crosses down.
Ironically they insist it's a matter of freedom.
I've heard and read several great talks over the past few years about how
there is a general and gradual worldwide movement to suppress individual
religious freedoms. This story from China is a prime example. Larger
governments that keep growing tend to start taking anti-religion stances.
Religions tend to take moral stances regarding applicable laws while government
likes all things to be kept amoral. Both attitudes effect our individual,
everyday lives in one direction or the other. The basis for the very
founding of our country was people seeking religious freedoms that could not be
found elsewhere. It continued being important enough that it was guaranteed in
the very first amendment to the Constitution.We need to be vigilant
that those freedoms aren't compromised and endangered one small step at a
time as various laws are passed. There are few things more important than the
liberty to worship God according to the dictates of our individual consciences,
with respect to our fellowman. Most people on earth will agree that
mankind does have a Creator. To be able to worship that Creator in a personal
way is of utmost importance to me and my family.
Good for the man willing to stand up to religious bigotry, especially when it is
a dictatorship that rules by fear.
lost in DCWest Jordan, UTwhat the Chinese government is doing there
is only what BO, harry reid, patty murray and hutterite would like to do here.
actually when considering the vitriole they have launched against religion
through Obamacare, they are figuratively doing it hereI really hope
that we are not that gullible and naive to let that happen.
@LightbearerTell that to the German family who left Germany so they
home teach their children according to their beliefs, and not be forced
indoctrinated by the state schools.
@Lost in DC "what the Chinese government is doing there is only what BO,
harry reid, patty murray and hutterite would like to do here. actually when
considering the vitriole they have launched against religion through Obamacare,
they are figuratively doing it here."Absolute nonsense. Now in
China you see what REAL opposition to religious freedom is.
Re: "Thank God for the first amendment. A guaranteed freedom which
doesn't exist in any other country as we enjoy it."Article
4 of the German constitution (Grundgesetz, Basic Law):"(1)
Freedom of faith and of conscience, and freedom to profess a religious or
philosophical creed, shall be inviolable."(2) The undisturbed
practice of religion shall be guaranteed."(3) No person shall be
compelled against his conscience to render military service involving the use of
arms. Details shall be regulated by a federal law."
@truthHere is an idea instead of misrepresenting what liberals think why
don't you present your case with supporting facts to back it up.
@TolstoyActually actions like china a does towards religion and the
religious is exactly where the extreme left in this country wants to take
us.Where any public expression of religion will be forbidden.Thank God for the first amendment. A guaranteed freedom which
doesn't exist in any other country as we enjoy it.But comments
from the left show how their hatred could lead to it being taken it away, as it
is currently being done bit by bit, under the guise of leftist version of
tolerance and diversity, and civil rights.
@mike richardsreligious people are not paying for anything the
insurance the employees compensation for their labor, I realize that
conservative business owners are somehow being charitable for "letting"
people toil for minimal compensation while creating wealth the owner but its not
charity its charity its earned income of the employee.
@lost in dc So not allowing you to force others to live by your
religious dogma through the force of law is now the same as forbidding people
from worshiping in their own church? sorry but that is the very definition of
Baccus0902,“Come on, Please get a grip. How irrational can you
be?” I guess you missed the many articles about harry,
patty, BO, chuckie, pat, etc wanting to overturn portions of the RFRA that the
POTUS said prevented Obamacare from forcing religious entities to violate their
consciences?What the Chinese are doing literally BO and his cabal
are attempting figuratively.Please tell me how pointing that out is
being irrational.How do you expect to be taken seriously if you just
go into an emotional rampage anytime someone points out BO's faults?harry is LDS? Really???MidwestMom“the so-called
religious right”A little judgmental, are we?You define
prejudice as an “unfair” feeling of dislike. So a fair feeling of
dislike is OK. I dislike the vast majority of things BO has done and is trying
to do to our nation.Hutterite,I don’t think I have
overstated anything; please show me how I am wrong. Yes, rebuild the wall so BO
and his ilk will stop forcing the religion of state-ism on us and will stop
forcing people to violate their consciences in order to comply with his
Lost...I think you've overstated my intentions a bit but thanks for
noticing. Have a good weekend, everyone. Mr. Jefferson, build up that wall!
Should anyone expect less from a government that has suppressed belief in God?
Although China has laws that require the government to respect religion, it
disregards those laws whenever it wishes.The question people should
ask is, "Why"? Why would a government suppress a religion that teaches
people to be kind, to help one another, to care for the poor, the sick, the
fatherless and the widow? Why would a government destroy the symbol of that
religion? What does the government fear?Here in America where the
1st Amendment requires the government to allow people to worship God without
government interference, why would Obama require that religious people pay 100%
of the prescriptions that prevent life? How does Obama reconcile his own
legislation with the words of the Constitution? Why does he ignore that
document? Why does he fail to protect, as his oath of office requires?Governments are temporary. Truth is eternal. Christ is the author of all
truth. It would be good if people understood simple concept.
Well said, Baccus.The non-stop contention from the so-called
religious right makes me wonder if the decline in church attendance is more of a
reaction to negative messages from the "faithful" than it is a shift
towards immorality. As one close friend put it, "I have not lost my faith,
I've just left my church." I am an LDS convert. Looking
back on the religion of my upbringing, if I were still in that faith I would
probably leave it and it's contentious drama, and be turned off by religion
entirely.And a note to the "lost" -- "an unfair feeling
of dislike towards a person or group" is the definition of prejudice.
It's easy to reduce people to simple judgment, but I doubt that any of us
wants to be defined or judged by one, single aspect of ourselves.
"... Christians' loyalty to God above all else has alarmed
authorities..."In Communist countries, loyalty must first and
foremost be toward "the State" and "the Party." Religious
institutions are an obvious threat to that mentality. As are family
relationships, etc. Free thinking and critisism of The State are strongly
discouraged.Thank goodness such a mentality could never take root
Maybe the ACLU has a China branch.
what the Chinese government is doing there is only what BO, harry reid, patty
murray and hutterite would like to do here. actually when considering the
vitriole they have launched against religion through Obamacare, they are
figuratively doing it here