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Hamas calls for end to blockade of Gaza border

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  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    don17:

    Of course "chaos breeds chaos" when you are not bringing any rational solutions to the table.

    1) World War II may have brought stability in some people's minds but we had to get their by dropping an atomic bomb on a city full of civilians.

    2) The Revolutionary War had a semblance of rationality when the leaders of the country did not seek vengeance upon the defeated English.

    3) The Thirty Years was not a multi-Century long struggle. They were different principalities and kingdoms in Europe struggling for some sort of religious freedom and/or independence from super powers such as Spain.

    4) Hamas and Hezbollah may want the destruction of Israel but that does not mean that all Palestinians do. Just as there are some Israelis who would not lose sleep if all Palestinians were destroyed.

    History whether past or present is more complex and nuanced than many may realize.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    Lot of comments from the east coast on this issue.

    I find it curious that so many non Utahans follow this issue on our local paper.

    My question is how do they know what is being preached in our local mosques?

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    July 25, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    There will be no peace in the Middle East until Isreal has expanded its territory to a substantial sized nation and obtains dominate control and power over the Middle East region. So far the camel just has its nose in the tent, bit that will change in years ahead with the aid of the USA.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    July 24, 2014 10:35 p.m.

    Mattrick 78:

    Just a few points to your comments please.

    1. Choas does not only bred choas it can create order as well. A. World War 2 and the Choas of the war brought about a bi polar stability.

    2. In the 1776-1783 time period the Colonies war with England brought a stable government to the United States(which was accepted, modified, rejected, and modified again during the American Civil War 1861-1865.
    3. The Thirty Year War was actually a multi- Century long struggle.
    4. Hamas and Hezbollah want the destruction of Israel and America! Not the other way around.

    Goddess Divine:

    1.At gun point Hamas foces it's people to stay at schools and mosques and other places where tunnels and missles are kept! Human shields!
    2. Hamas started lobbing missles at Israel before Israel struck back. After hundreds had been fired that broke the peace agreement of 2012.
    3.Israel notifies the residents prior to each attacked area giving them time to evacuate. Then prior to firing live shells to a particular location they fire a dud shell as a 5 minute warning to those who did not leave prior!
    4. Turn off CNN ABC NBC and the others and find balanced sources.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    July 24, 2014 10:14 p.m.

    A little clarification of facts please before blaming Israel for this tragedy.
    1. The lands of Israel under the authority-leadership of the Jewish people had existed well over 2 thousand years before the Islamic Arabs and other followers of Allah appeared after their great prophet established their beliefs.
    2. There is no Palestinian culture. The make up of Gaza and the West Bank are a group of culturally mixed peoples not wanted by any Arab Nation.
    3. Hundreds of misslies were fired by Hamas (a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION)prior to Israel refusing to turn the other cheek again!
    4 Hamas and Hezbollah are both groups of multiple generational fighters who are Jew haters with the established and stated goal of wiping Israel off the face of the earth! Another HOLACOUST!
    5.Hamas and Hezbollah have roots and militerism alighed with and suppported by(in the 1930-1945 period)Aldolf Hitler's Third Reich! Yes the Nazi's and S.S. of Hitler's Germany supported these terrorists even then.
    6. Iran supports Hamas and Hezbollah with funds, fighters and weapons. Iran has stated that they will wipe Israel off the face of the earth! And America also! Negotiate with that? No!
    7. If your against Israel you are against America!

  • Goddess Divine Orem, UT
    July 24, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    It's been 2 weeks since this bombing started and there are already 680 Palestinians dead, including women and children, not terrorists. The United Nations has started an investigation to find out if Israel is violating human rights and committing crimes against civilians. Something that has already been done,before by numerous non guvernmental organizations. I hope one of my comments is posted since there are only 14 comments and they all justify Israel. Deseret needs to objective and non biased, and publish both sides of the story, not just the comments that justify Israel. Please post all of my comments.

  • Abdulameer Chicago, IL
    July 24, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    If Hamas were to give up its dedication to destroying Israel and murdering Jews, it could have peace with Israel this afternoon and economic prosperity within a year or two. However, just as a leopard cannot change its spots, so Hamas cannot change its attitude toward Jews. The reason is that the problem is not limited to Hamas. As the Hamas Charter makes perfectly clear, the war against Israel and the Jews is an ISLAMIC holy war. The Moslem god, in the Koran, and the Moslem prophet, in the Sunnah, command Moslems to make war against the Jews and either subjugate them to Islamic rule or kill them. The very existence of Israel stands as a rebuke to the Moslem god and prophet. This goes far beyond Hamas. It goes far beyond the "Palestinians", and it goes far beyond the Arabs. Israel's deadliest enemy is the Islamic Republic of Iran which is not Arab. Islamic religious Jew-hatred is taught and preached in every mosque in the world including the ones in Salt Lake City.

  • Goddess Divine Orem, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    The region of Palestine has always existed since biblical times, same as Israelites. Most arabs are descendants of Ishmael , the son that Abraham had with the Egyptian slave, the first son that Abraham had. The second son was Isaac and he is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. Conclusion: Arabs and Israelites are family by blood because they originate from the same father. Instead of fighting they should learn to live together. Easier said than done. I doubt it will ever happen. But at least they should not kill each other because they are brothers and sisters.

    Anyway, The region of Palestine has existed since biblical times. There are stories in the bible that mentions them in the Old Testament before Jesus was born, like the story of Samson and Delilah. Palestinians are called filisteens and Delilah was a filisteens. Around that time Israel and Palestine were already neighbors. During the Byzantine empire, Palestine was the name given to the entire region of Syria Palestine, Samaria and Galilee in the year 395.

  • Goddess Divine Orem, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    . Even if Hamas stops bombing Israel, and even if Hamas recognizes Israel as a state, this war is,not going to end because the Palestinians are not free in their own land. Everyone in the us values freedom but the principle doesn't apply when we talk about Palestine. That is what I call hypocrisy.

    Someone suggested all Palestinian should just go to live to the other Arab states, well, this is what has already been going on. There are thousands of Palestinian refugees already in the other Arab countries and they can it take anymore. It is funny how that suggestion comes from someone in a country where right there is a huge problem with little children being sent to the us illegally. The us government is not willing to take in these children and the us people in California sent back all these buses with illegal people, they would,not take them, but it is so easy to suggest others should take Palestinians refugees when your own country is not willing to take little children that are running away from violence.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    " This whole middle east mess is based on the desire of 10s of millions of Arabs wanting to get rid of a few million Jews. Simple as that."

    Its only that simple if you are not a Palestinian.

  • UT Brit London, England
    July 24, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    @rvalens2

    By way of comparison, imagine if I came to your house in a bulldozer and destroyed it (without checking if anyone was still inside), then built my house on top. I am sure you would shake my hand, shrug your shoulders and be on your way.

    This has been happening in Palestine for several decades now.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 24, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    Good luck with that. As for religion and nationalism there is no equivalency to the rest of the religious world and hasn't been for hundreds of years. No other faith (or nations ruled by religious law) is attempting violent forceful exportation of itself, waging war in the name of their religions or doing anything remotely like what the faith united neighbors of Israel are doing all over the globe.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    What to do when both sides are chosen by God and Speak for him?

    Nationalism and Zealotry make for an explosive combo, not a peaceful one.

  • Pac_Man Pittsburgh, PA
    July 24, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    @rvalens2

    By way of comparison, what would the U.S. do if Canada began building Canadian settlements on U.S. sovereign soil to the point where the United States is quarter the size as it was before? If we used our second amendment rights to stop further encroachment, does Canada then have a right to defend itself?

    The problem here is not differences over culture or religion. It is about respect for life, liberty, and property. Both sides are complicit.

    P.S. I have nothing personal against Canada.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 24, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    When religion and nationalism rule, this is what you get.

    I'm glad we're not there...yet.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    July 24, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    rvalens 2

    Furthermore as you alluded to, there is a lot of land held by the other Arab countries, Jordan, Lebannan, Syria, ect. that could be a "Palistinian state". But, no, the so called Palistianians want their country right smack dab in the middle of Israel, or on its immediate border. Just the place for people who hate Jews to live, don't you think. This whole middle east mess is based on the desire of 10s of millions of Arabs wanting to get rid of a few million Jews. Simple as that.

  • kmtown Danville, IN
    July 24, 2014 4:52 a.m.

    It's a matter if when, not if, it becomes a matter of "it's either you or me".

  • ER in AF Harare, Zimbabwe, 00
    July 24, 2014 4:03 a.m.

    Hey, I have an idea for Hamas!!!? Stop lobbing rockets into Israel and they may listen to you about the blockade. Anytime you are in negotiations for peace with an entity and you give them 96% of what they ask for, and they refuse, then they are not really interested in peace. The Pallies refused the Israeli offer of 96% of what they were demanding. The Palestinians said no. They do not want peace, they want to kill israelis and they are not genuine in negotiations.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    July 23, 2014 11:58 p.m.

    Both sides are to blame. Both sides are lobbing missiles at each other killing innocent civilians. Chaos breeds chaos. The Thirty Years War of religion only took thirty years but at least they finally came to their senses.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    July 23, 2014 11:19 p.m.

    Hamas needs to be completely destroyed. It will be the only way to peace.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    July 23, 2014 10:25 p.m.

    By way of comparison, what would the U.S. do if Mexico started lobbing missiles into the U.S. in an attempt to kill U.S. citizens? We wouldn't be nearly as reserved as the Israelis have been.

    Reserved? Yes, the Israelis issue warnings to the areas they will be bombing to allow the locals to leave. Instead, Hamas often forces them to stay at gun point. Why would Hamas do that? So they can play up of the death and destruction of children at the hands of the Israelis. Just watch NBC, CBS or ABC and you'll see a nightly parade of the images Hamas wants the world to see. Unfortunately, the whole truth of the matter is rarely shown to the public.

    I have noticed one other thing about broadcast news in the U.S. While they will often spend two to three minutes reporting the carnage befalling the children in the Gaza strip, they rarely spend more than 15 seconds mentioning the deaths or the destruction on the Israeli side of the border. Why is that?

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:25 p.m.

    I rhink they think that it's their duty to kill to bring the second coming.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    July 23, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    There can be no peace as long as Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal keeps calling for the destruction of Israel.

    Opening Gaza's borders and ending the blockade would simply allow Hamas to import better, bigger missiles and send hoards of terrorists into Israel to blow themselves, and the Israelis, up.

    For your information, there never has been a Palestinian people or a nation called Palestine. It has been fabricated by the Arabs. "Palestinians" are mostly Jordanians and Syrians. Yasser Arafat, the now deceased leader of the "Palestinians," was actually an Egyptian!

    If the neighboring Arab states are so concerned with all the carnage taking place in the Gaza strip, why don't they take in the "Palestinians" and vacate the Gaza strip?

    Answer: They want to see the destruction of Israel come to pass and the "Palestinians" are simply a convenient excuse.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    July 23, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    Hamas is not going to get any concessions as long as they keep sending rockets into Israel. Hamas couldn't even exist without foreign aid from other countries. They've done nothing whatsoever to warrant world respect... or even self-respect.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    July 23, 2014 4:15 p.m.

    Hamas is not going to get any concessions as long as they keep sending rockets into Israel. Hamas couldn't even exist without foreign aid from other countries. They've done nothing whatsoever to warrant world respect... or even self-respect.

  • David Centerville, UT
    July 23, 2014 3:53 p.m.

    Hamas does not seem to understand that Israel would not have an embargo in place if Hamas would declare peace with Israel. But because Hamas openly calls for the destruction of Israel, they must not be allowed to gain strength sufficient to carry out their true objectives.

    This is all Hamas' fault.