Take a you look at the real picture there are about 6 good SEC teams, 5 good Big
10 teams, 3 good big 12 teams, 5 good PAC 10 teams, and 4 good ACC teams. After
that all of the major leagues are very vanilla! Just because your in one of the
major doesn't mean your good it just means you get a lot of money and
isn't that is what college football is all about now? Utah gets the money
great for them but will they ever go to a Rose Bowl? I don't know but
it's nice to play for one. How many teams in the PAC 10 ever played in a
Rose Bowl? I'm pretty sure that their are serveral that have not played in
one or played in one in over 50 years. I'm not even thinking about the new
comers.. It's just good to get a check, isn't it!
tinplaterStop trying to fool everyone. You sugar coated it with the
SUU/USU comparison. I know for a fact you are worse than that. Unlike me,
unlike me? Yeah you are right. If it's USU it's bad. And you do
nothing to prove me wrong. Other than USU I respect other teams and other
conferences. Like the rivalry we have with Weber. That is a rivalry built on
respect. What is the USU/BYU/Utah rivalry built on? Certainly not respect.
@Stang0, I have never belittled anyone else's program, ever. I may say SUU
and the Big Sky are not at the same level as the MWC, just as USU and the MWC is
not at the same level of the PAC 12. Unlike you, I can appreciate the success
of exceptional athletes and teams regardless of who they are or what conference
they are affiliated with. Your perspective is, if it is USU it is bad...that
tinplaterYou brag about stuff like that all the time. "You
apparently get satisfaction from belittling other programs and seem to feed off
of that". And you don't?
@2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0,You just don't get it (which is
fine). At no time am I bragging that USU is "better" than the U or BYU
or Wyoming or New Mexico. You apparently get satisfaction from belittling other
programs and seem to feed off of that. But Utah is not better than SC, Oregon,
Stanford, Alabama, or a host of other power schools (and don't mention that
you beat Standford and Alabama or I will mention USU beat the U 2012).
USU's goal should be to win the MWC just as Utah's should be to go to
the Rose Bowl. Good luck to both schools.
tinplater,Whats important is to be the best possible - being
competitive in conference is completely relative and meaningless. I could be
competitive playing church ball, but that doesn't mean watching me play
ball is more exciting than watching a less competitive matchup between the San
Antonio Spurs and the Phoenix Suns. Nor does this mean I can brag and mock the
phoenix suns even if I am more competitive if I played church ball than the suns
are against the Spurs. If usu fans are content bragging about being
better than Wyoming or New Mexico - LOL, whatever floats your boat. Just
don't pretend you're on the same level as Utah even if Utah is
struggling our first few years in a league that is infinitely better. Using the common big fish small fish example, a "small fish" Utah in a
big Pac 12 pond is still bigger than a "big fish" usu in a tiny WAC
pond.We're still bigger(better) than you.
2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0Something else, as a long time season ticket
holder for ASU, I can affirm that watching Aggie football is just as exciting as
watching PAC12 contests. What generates fan support is a connection to the
school, not the conference. Utah will never be in the same conversation as Ohio
State, Notre Dame, Alabama, Southern California (in terms of football
competitiveness and history) just as USU won't be in the same conversation
with many of the PAC 12 schools. That doesn't mean that great, enjoyable
football cannot occur on all levels. You need to get over the my conference is
better than your conference mentality and just cheer on your team.
@2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0You exemplify the testosterone rush
that some fans get by beating their chest and saying their conference is better
than someone else's. What is important, from my perspective, is to be in a
competitive conference. USU cannot compete with universities with the resources
of USC, UCLA, Cal etc (and neither can Utah apparently). Best game I ever saw
was Harvard vs Yale 28 to 28 tie. College football is about entertainment,
having USU compete in the P5 conferences would not be entertaining. It would be
dismal. We are where we belong and hopefully can capture the MWC title this
I want to see the MWC add a 12th school for all sports other than Football.
This would bring balance back to the basketball scheduling where each team would
plan their division home and home and one game against each school from the
opposite division for 16 games total. There are two schools that would be ideal
for this addition. First, is to add BYU back in with a scheduling arrangement
for the independent football team. If BYU can't stomach coming back, then
we should go hard after getting Gonzaga to join. What a fantastic basketball
conference the MWC would become with Gonzaga added to SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico,
Utah State, etc. It would be a great addition, and would be great for Gonzaga
tinplater,If you've enjoyed IVY league games as much as Pac 12
games, that's fine to have that opinion, but you'd be in the very
small minority.The WAC 2.0(MWC) and all other mid majors conferences
are a HUGE step below the power conferences, not just a small step. Last year
the Pac 12 went 14-1 against the WAC(including byu)The gap is
monumental - and it continues to grow.I'm glad that WAC fans
can watch their WAC football and cheer for their WAC teams - but they don't
belong in the same conversation with the power 5 teams.
With Weber State's basketball program averaging better than 2/3 of the MWC
and 1/2 the PAC-12, The MWC should pick up Weber State for basketball only. It
would be a big adjustment, but UNLV, SDSU, and New Mexico coming up to the Dee
Events Center would be awesome!
tinplaterI was talking about the WAC 2.0 with conferences like the
PAC12, Big12, Big10, SEC and so on. Not the Big Sky.
I am honestly surprised that Craig Thompson still has his job.
Remember that investigation or lawsuit brought by the Utah AG that quietly went
away when Utah was accepted in the PAC 10 and the BCS went to a playoff format?
Despite the prior show of reasonable access, why wouldn't or
shouldn't there be a similar antitrust investigation if the "Big 5"
consolidated their power, excluded the smaller schools from access via
scheduling incentives, or took any other number of steps to restrain
competition? I'm not saying it would have merit or not, but all it would
take is a smaller school with political influence (or a booster in the DOJ or an
AG's office) to start something similar in the future if the big schools
get too greedy.
@Stang0..you might be right....by by Big Sky
Based on past comments from some fan's I'd say no the big and little
conferences can't coexist.
As long as the conferences are composed of schools with near equal resources, I
feel comfortable with the current level of competition. Having watched the IVY
League for years (Cornell/Pennsylvania ties) I can say I enjoyed those games
every bit as much as the PAC 12 (ASU) and MWC (USU).
Thompson may single handily be the cause for the MWC to be weaker than it had to
be. But, that's water under the bridge. Oh well.