And if two teams go 8 and 1? Where's your true champion?
The future of college football may not fit BYU at all. When salary negotiations
with player unions collide with the education mission of BYU, it would probably
be time to follow the example of Ricks College/BYU Idaho and can the
professional college football hype. As an alumna of Ricks College, I am proud
of the educational progress of BYU Idaho. People enroll there for the right
reasons. Competition is the hallmark of unrighteous pride. Let it go; let it
go; let it go!
What a joke for BYU to even consider the Big Twelve. Their place should be in
the Pac 12 where they fit geographlywith more natural opponents. Just add
one more college to the league like Air Force, San Deigo State, Fresno State,Bosie State ( probably would not qualify academically) or even UNLV. Really
make the best sense!!!!Otherwise BYU should take the legal anti
trust route to qualify as an Independent like Notre Dame for all the big 5
conferences. ACC & SEC feel they would possibly lose revenue by BYU not
playing on Sundays even though BYU is much better than the bottom 1/2 of those
conferences & on a good day they win approximately 1 out of 3 against top 25
teams. PAC 12 THEN LEGALAcatman Letterman 1966
@ kfbobI know because the Big-12 has said it's not going to
change because they don't want to split the money with more than 10 teams,
and their current TV deal won't run out for another few years. Unless
something dramatic changes, BYU isn't getting an invite anytime soon. BYU is only the big kid on the block in their own minds. I believe that
Utah has over taken them in the past decade as evidenced by the two BCS bowls
and upgrade to the PAC-12.I'm interested because BYU is a local
team and I enjoy talking football. Utah's off-season has been relatively
quiet, so here we are.... Also, I do not think a Big-12 invite is forever
impossible, and I am on record as saying that I hope eventually BYU gets
invited. It would be amazing for this state. However, it doesn't look
like that is going to happen for a few years, and I think it would be silly for
there to be weekly articles that essentially say "Nothing's changed,
Big-12 still not planning expansion."
Sorry,but I don’t agree with the other posters that think that too
much talk and print is dedicated to keeping the focus on BYU going to the Big
12, once the Big 12 is ready for expansion.I do believe that the
squeaking door is the door that gets the grease, while the other more quiet
doors get ignored.Once the Big 12 agrees that they need a
championship game, like all other teams in the P5 conferences, I want the fans
and those in power to make decisions, to think of BYU as the only relevant
choice for expansion along with what ever the 12th team might be. Please keep
the issue alive. Thanks. A die hard BYU Cougar Fan.
BYU has done this to themselves by not winning the games they had to. Poor
coaching and poor preparation have killed any chance, for now, of joining a
conference. Once they change coaches and start winning against someone besides
Little Sisters of the Poor, people might take notice. I live
outside of Utah and, frankly, NO ONE CARES about the Cougars...sorry. Although
they have an ESPN contact, even the ESPN honks don't take 'em
seriously. Mike and Mike, Colin Cowherd, Mel Kupier all ignore them...they are
simply not relevant. The most 'play' BYU has gotten from national
media, in any sport, is when someone has messed up (i.e., Brandon Davies). Winning consistently can change things, but with the current coaching
situation, that won't happen. Coaching big boy football isn't a 9 to
5 job, yet Bronco thinks it is - he didn't even use all the allotted
practice time before the last bowl game. That is inexcusable!!!
BYU is now finding itself on the outside looking in - all hope for joining a
conference is dwindling rapidly. College sports are all about the Benjamins and
no one wants a lesser slice of the money pie, so there is no hope whatsoever of
playing in any kind of championship game, even if Christ came back and was the
Be patient "Grasshopper," - "If [we] build it, [they eventually]
will come", because "Necessity is the mother of invention."
@ DUCKThe point is that 6/10 teams in the Big 12 probably don't
have anymore national appeal than BYU and certainly don't carry their
weight "pro rata". Kansas has a good fan base but Kansas averages 36K
per game last year...Not very good. TCU 42K, Baylor 45K, WVU 52, WVU has a
decent fanbase but not many TV sets in their region. The point is that of the
65 P5 schools, BYU has probably more national appeal than 50% of them and a
comparable fan base to the average. There is a lot more going on here than
meets the eye. Gary Patterson dislikes BYU. Several other BIG 12 schools
don't like BYU either. Perhaps a little bigotry and a issues how BYU
presents themselves. As a BYU fan It appears that the system is back into the
exclusion mode. BYU will probably have to get an invite from a P5 conference or
disband the program...Which is probably not the worst thing as we have National
quality olympic sports program, and a top 80 ranked University, with on of the
top Earning rates for grads around 75-#80. Which far exceeds any other
university in the region.
I never criticize utah "fans" for reading and commenting on BYU
articles, it is fun to slap them down over their hypocrisy and delusion so if
they want to read and comment I'm good with it, but I do wonder why they
read these articles and then complain about them? If I had to guess I would say
because articles like this continue to inflame their inferiority complexes and
other insecurities.The truth is this, despite utah now being in the
pac12 very few people care, almost none in comparison to the amount that care
about BYU. People would much rather read about BYU and its future than about
utah's present and its dismal future. The possibilities for BYU and the
speculation about those possibilities is so much more interesting than
utah's bleak and downtrodden future so it brings the readers, that is why
the newspapers report on it, and it brings the angst filled comments from utah
"fans".I'm sure a masters thesis could be written on
why utah "fans" read articles they then claim to be tired of reading but
the truth is that inferiority complexes make people do strange things.
So, let me get this clear. Your saying that BYU would be willing to give up
independence and move to the Big 12 if that conference were to expand? Well,
this is news! I can't believe we haven't heard about this before!
It's time for BYU to put up, or shut up. Or as Charles Barkley would
say..."Win or go home."Pivotal year for both the Utes and
Cougs. The Utes have to go bowling and the Cougs just about have to run the
table. Anything less for both will have consequences.
Kfbob: Kansas and WVU have HUGE fanbases. Maybe you should check out the NYT
report before saying things that just aren't even close to being true.
I'll buy that BYU has a larger fanbase than TCU and Baylor (and it's
probably a large gap with those two). I do agree that some of the
teams already in P5 conferences don't have the same following as BYU and
therefore probably bring in less revenue, so expecting BYU to meet a certain
threshold when others don't isn't really fair. Then again, as some
Utah fans have suggested, BYU may bring more baggage than their revenue could
I like the updates on BYU as a potential candidate for the B12...Thank you... It
saves me time from having to go and check out the web for rumors and other
discussions concerning BYU potentially moving away from Independence...If BYU is going to achieve the status they deserve I believe that it will have
to happen through the courts... And I believe one day it well... It's
called Anti-Trust and Title VII.BYU brings more Revenue, more fans,
a bigger TV Market, and a better football history than 60% of the schools that
are currently in the P5 conferences (including our little sisters on the
hill).In answer to the question that most Cougar fans have when they
read the comment section on BYU football articles ... The reason that the ute
fans swarm BYU articles is because of their insecurities regarding their own
program... There is no optimism or hope for their program in the recent past or
foreseeable future and the only way that they can feel good about their program
is if they can somehow make BYU's program look weaker... Unfortunately for
them, their program never will better.
@Two For FlinchingHow do you know it's not going to change?
The reason that no one writes about Colorado school of the mines is that they
have very few fans. BYU has a national program and an independent ESPN
contract. They have over 700,000 fans, (more than twice as many as Utah and
almost 4 times a many as USU). They have a winning tradition. So is BYU a big
deal? I guess compared to other instate schools they are the big kid on the
block. Would a Big 12 deal forever impossible? Who knows. Either way the BYU
fanbase is interested in BYU articles. I'm confused why you are so
"Only if they bring more than pro rata value," Interesting quote since
TCU, Kansas, and WVU and Baylor football programs could disappear tomorrow and 4
other teams could replace them and it would not make a financial difference.
Does BYU draw more fans than Kansas, TCU, Baylor or OSU? In most situations
they would. So why set an unrealistic standard. Could those programs get the
ESPN contract that BYU has? Probably not. Their fan bases are small and
generally regional. Big 10 football is all about Texas and oklahoma. they
generate 50% of the revenue, and they know it. TCU...an afterthought. The only
way BYU is invited to the big 12 is if they thrash every B-12 school.
DrUte, You, like the article, don't offer any new info. You give some
misinformation along with some obvious facts. You intimate that we chose indy
over something better. Did we? We have a better situation now than what we would
be enjoying in the MWC. Do you debate this? Then good move, BYU.I'd be interested in hearing what you would have done with our resources
of the national fan base, an HD TV station, and a partnership with the biggest
name in sports. Like Bronco and Tom said, independence is a
launching point. We must win and be patient in the meantime, like you said.Go Cougs.
The Big-12 hasn't called BYU just like the Rose Bowl hasn't called
Last season BYU had the chance to make some BIG waves with their schedule of
Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Virgina. They managed only one win. The Y will
never catch anybodes attention until they win the big games. Little bowl games
mean nothing and neither do wins over second tier teams like Houston. If you
want to join the big boys you have to prove you belong. BYU is not getting the
recruits they used to especially at the skill positions and the reason is
exposure. Top players can go to the U and play week in and week out against the
PAC 12 or they have skrink into the shadows of BYU's independent schedule.
Why go to the Big 12 or any other conference. We will never be in line for the
national championship, we just can't recurit or keep the top talent. The
"honor code" and other school restrictions are never going to change, so
some of those top players will never consider BYU. When you look at the power
conference players the majority are 5 stars on every winning team and we do good
to get even some 4 stars much less an occassional 5. That's the simple
fact. Yes we can be good but that's not good enough going up against those
power conferences. So let's play some good teams, make a bowl, make some
money and travel the entire country showing the BYU product. WE the fans can
still have fun playing outside the Big 5 and play some of those teams.
@ DrUte, I'm going out on a limb and going to guess that the PhD was not in
grammar or spelling. You make it sound like BYU fans chose independence as a
permanent status. It was the best option at the time and yes, we are living with
it. I personally am loving it. My guess is that many more cougar fans are.
It's overboard to keep rehashing the BYU to the BIG12 or PAC, but BYU and
it's fans are not pushing this. It's the media. Go Cougs! This is
going to be a great year.
"I simply can't believe it." Day after day when BYU articles are
written, U fans pitch a major fit. I thought you had "moved on."
So they haven't called yet?I know you told us yesterday the Big
12 hadn't called.And the day before.And the day
before.But today they haven't either?Make sure to
let us know if they call tomorrow.Go UTES
I am not interested in the Big 12. If it happens fine. If it doesn't fine.
I don't want to go to the Big-12 and be a punching bag like Utah did with
the PAC-12. I want to win games, period. If BYU starts putting together 10-1
seasons, the interest will come to us. We don't need the Big-12. We
don't need Utah, USU or anyone else. We need to win games. Everything else
will take care of itself.
@fan in orem"Robin, it is awesome that you were right there in
those talks and can quote the people who were involved in those talks."I didn't have to be there in order to quote people. All I have to
do is read their quotes in the newspaper. Apparently you don't.
Robin, it is awesome that you were right there in those talks and can quote the
people who were involved in those talks. You are a stud. Being in the PAC-12,
the utes and their fans will go far. I hope soon.
Just a reminder: It was BYU that burned the bridge with the Big 12. You guys
practically had the invitation in hand, then you started getting all pushy with
the demands, and the Big 12 said "fine, if you're going to be like
that, then forget it." Then the Big 12's attorney famously called BYU
"weird" and that was the end of it.Bottom line: If BYU
hadn't been so arrogant, you'd be in the Big 12 today. Never kick a
gift horse in the mouth.
Moderator didn't like my last blog, guess I was too direct....How about this:Bowlsby and several other B12 sources have
repeatedly said they do not want to split the proceeds among 12 schools versus
10... Mox nix whatever else is going on, B12 is not interested
unless someone or something makes them move.Recall, however, that
ByWho did not get an invite from either the P12 or B12 when they were expanding,
but deliberately chose to go Indy.You chose it, & now the train
has left the station.Live with it until, as some bloggers above have
suggested, you have the W-L record that demands attention.Playing
the Sisters of Charity won't get you there, tho.You wanted it,
now live with it.Time to move on.
I have to admit, as someone new to this area this just doesn't seem normal
to have so many articles about what "isn't happening". Then again,
it's an eye opener to how much this market caters to and cares about BYU.
The delusion here is that just because conferences are not expanding right now
that they wouldn't want BYU. Powerhouse ESPN sure prizes them.It is smart
to let people know that you are not tied down to independence. BYU is far better
of now with it stronger schedules and with vastly improved exposure on nation
television. Some locals are an interesting breed of either pessimists or simply
BUT haters.It is neither a pipe dream or local naivety to believe BYU football
has a strong national program with lot of positives.
One thing to keep in mind - BYU is not writing these articles everyday. BYU made
statements indicating that they would like to be in the Big 12. Nothing wrong
with that. I think it would have been silly not to. In recent memory I think
they have addressed this twice...once with Mendenhall's comment to the
Austin News, and once with Holmoe's comment when ASKED to talk about
Mendenhall's comment. It is the Deseret News and other outlets that keep
reporting on the story. Stop with the BYU keeps lobbying. It's the media.
And I agree, enough with the articles. I'm a BYU fan and I don't mind
rehashing the issue a little when nothing else new is going on, but everyday?
Hard to believe all the silly, puffed-up, uninformed comments from BYU haters.
Am I the only one who notices that so many more Ute fans care more so much more
about BYU than almost any BYU fans care about Utah?So hey, Utah,
most of us BYU fans are very happy that the PAC 12 took you guys. I for one,
hope Utah does better in the future in that league than you've done so far.
NEWS FLASH: I live in Utah, so the success of the Utes reflects positively on me
to my friends in other states. So only when Utah plays BYU or Utah State do I
hope Utah loses. So when are you Ute fans going to lose that ugly
inferiority complex that seems to drive you to follow BYU-only articles and make
bitter comments about BYU?
Even as a BYU fan I am getting tired of articles like this one with nothing new
to say. Get back to us when you actually have some news regarding the Big 12
situation.However, I do find it hilarious that all these Utah fans
read these "nothing to see here" articles religiously and then complain
in the comments. Get a life!
Man, the DNews is unabashedly waiving the blue pom-pons. Their writers left
'news' behind long ago--now it's pandering, pure and simple.
I wish Mendenhall would focus more on coaching and less on lobbying. If BYU
would win more games against P-5 schools, its future would secure itself.
Contrary to popular opinion, the world doesn't revolve around BYU.The Big12 isn't interested. In fact no P5 conference is interested. BYU should just move on and make the best of its independence.
Some things take time. BYU is most certainly on the conference's radar. BYU
has a lot to offer. It's simply not yet the right time for expansion.
How boring. Inquiring minds want to know, "Is BYU considered hard to work
with and arrogant as reported?" That will tell us how open the Big 12 is to
BYU joining.@DuckBYU tried to join the WAC, only to have
Nevada and Fresno bail. Not sure how open the MWC is to BYU rejoining. But
then again they let in Utah State after they tried to destroy the MWC by
colluding with BYU.
it's a bit presumptuous to assume that BYU would be welcomed back to the
MWC considering the conference has expressed sentiments similar to the SEC and
ACC. Duckhunter assumes that teams like SDSU and USU have no memory of the
scorched earth BYU left behind.
Pac-12 Media Days is fast approaching. I can't wait to read in the Des
News all the hidden messages in everything the Pac-12 doesn't say about
byu. LOL!!Duckhunter, your speculation about tds being welcomed
back to the MWC with open arms and no questions asked is just
that...speculation. USU might have something to say about it. Can byu burn any
BYU's not on the Big 12's radar? No kidding, Sherlock. The same can be
said for all major conferences. They don't want BYU. Period. It's
unfortunate that Dick Harmon has felt the need to stoke this delusional flame of
hope. Though BYU talked of how great it was going independent, most
of us realized it wasn't. And this obsessive man-love crush with the Big 12
has been, frankly, embarrassing. But this is what happens when you
think you're more than what you really are.Reminds me of
Galations 6:3, "For if a man [or in this case, BYU and a few of its
eager-beaver fans] think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he
deceiveth himself."BYU is not the dream team every conference
wants. But, they would fit well in a conference of similar good teams that have
likewise been left out. And that's fine. Like Paul, you ought to say (in
gratitude) "I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be
content."You chose to be independent. Nobody forced you to make
that move. So be content with it.
Is this seriously ANOTHER article about Big-12 expansion? The BIg-12 is not
interested in expanding, and they don't want BYU. That hasn't
changed, and it's not going to change. I don't understand why the
D-News insists on re-publishing this complete non-story. Maybe next week the
D-News will switch things up and publish 20 articles about how the MWC
isn't interested in expanding to include the Colorado College of Mines;
despite the fact that nobody else, including the MWC, is even thinking about it.
for the Ute fans that read this article, they answer their own
questions….yeh, Iowa State and Texas coaching staff's both mentioned
BYU was a good fit. Whether this happens now or sometime in the future or
never, people like to read about it, have opinions about it, and generally like
to follow teams with winning records and bowl games annually. Other teams and
fans that follow less relevante teams love to read our BYU coverage too.
Usually because newspapers competing in the marketplace write and write about
dynamic interesting schools with WINNING records and traditions.
As a BYU fan, I agree. There is just way too much Big 12 talk lately. We just
need to focus on the season and win.
@trueblueBYU could re-join the mwc tomorrow if they wanted to no
questions asked, they would then once again dominate that conference in all
sports just like they did previously. usu deserves kudo's for turning their
abysmal football program into a nice little program but that is all they are and
all they will ever be.If BYU's situation is "rough" as
an independent then usu is a school with no hope for a future at all being in
the very mwc BYU bailed on because of how poor the majority of the schools in it
The Big 12 is not interested. Can we please stop with these articles ? Please !
I thought Dick Harmon had written the definitive piece on how nothing was
happening with the Big 12 and BYU. I guess it doesn't hurt to have
confirmation from our correspondent at Big 12 Media Day that there is indeed
nothing happening, however. Will there be Live Team Coverage of
nothing happening at PAC-12 media days too?
I am sure that in the near future, the football landscape will change in many
ways for many teams. As mentioned in this article, the costs for programs to
compete is going to grow very rapidly. Most University's programs are in
the red and will have to make changes to ensure the football programs continue
at the expense of other sports that they currently carry. The next two years
will tell a intriguing story.
Of course BYU isn't on the Big 12's radar. Why would anyone expect
anything different. The only people talking about BYU joining the Big 12 are
the BYU homers who write for this paper whose job it is to keep the fans happy
by downplaying how rough their situation as independents is and spinning their
wishful thinking into something plausible
Bronco should be fired for suggesting the Y would love to be in the Big 12.
Independence is the only way for BYU. Our uniqueness sets us will ahead of all
other quality football programs. Just wait, teams will line up to play the Y
simply for what we have to offer.
"a reversal of previous stances that BYU preferred its independent
status"That is interesting, all I've ever read has been
that BYU preferred its independent status vs. playing in the MWC but would like
to be in a better conference (than the MWC).I've never read a
single article where anyone from BYU said they would prefer to be independent
over being in any of the P5 conferences. Perhaps I missed that news article?
Are you sure about the Big 12 not wanting TSDS?
I simply can't believe it. Day after day after day of reporting the exact
same story!Big 12 shows no interest in BYU.How many ways
can the media spin that?