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Published: Tuesday, July 22 2014 8:12 p.m. MDT

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jsf
Centerville, UT

So much for the promise of free health care - another democrat lie and the inability of the ACA to provide health care to the poor.

mcdugall
Murray, UT

@JSF The ACA is modeled nearly exactly to the early 1990's program designed by Republicans. Of equal importance, the healthcare is not free, it's subsidized.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

I can't say I'm surprised that those most adversely affected by this ruling are the low to middle income people, the very segment of society that healthcare reform is supposed to be helping. Must change always come so slowly for those most in need who have already waited too long? Martin Luther King used to remind us, justice delayed is justice denied. Some seem to like it that way.

Spangs
Salt Lake City, UT

JSF - The extraordinarily complicated ACA does seem to have a hard time providing healthcare to the poor. I agree. This Republican/Conservative plan dreamed up by the Heritage Foundation just isn't that great. It essentially institutionalizes insurance companies that siphon 20% of every healthcare dollar away from people that need it.

You know what is worse? Healthcare delivery prior to the ACA.

You know what is better? The liberal plan to expand Medicaid to everyone who needs it. This is also known as the single-payor plan. It is the most cost-effective way to insure the poor. For anyone who has ever been on Medicaid, it sucks. Trust me. It is the toilet bowl of health insurance. But the great thing about it is that it provides healthcare to thousands upon thousands of people who desperately need it.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@jsf
If you read the article you'd see that the issue is a technicality where the law talks about state exchanges so the issue is that many states didn't set up their own exchanges.

Ralph
Salt Lake City, UT

Single payer was, and is still, the only viable option. The bloody ACA is a nightmare.

Maybe, if we're lucky, we can go with the Republicans' well thought out solution to the healthcare crisis.

Oh wait...

jsf
Centerville, UT

The issue was and is the belief that we must pass it to know what is in it. I support health care for the poor, but, this was never it. I was suppose to be in the middle class, but with the ACA I now can't afford the procedures my doctors tell me I need to maintain my health.

"modeled nearly exactly to the early 1990's program designed by Republicans" And it was bad news then and it is bad news now. I love when democrat apologists tell us their legislation is based on bad republican legislation back then. They are telling us the democrats can't and haven't come up with anything new since the 1990's.

It was so bad then democrats didn't pass it in the 1990s, and republicans won't support it now.

Mitt Romney's plan democrats tell us is what the ACA was modeled after, credit is given to the republican, and again the democrats tell us it's good. Then it is a republican plan not a democrat plan. The democrats still can't come up with their own plan or anything new. It is always a republican mess they perpetuate.

jsf
Centerville, UT

"healthcare is not free, it's subsidized" That is free they don't pay for it. But not free in 36 states.

"This is also known as the single-payer plan. It is the most cost-effective way to insure the poor" And that works well for the VA. As my father a veteran of WWII says, the only reason any person goes to the VA is to die. Cost-effective in that there is no care. And the problem of no care for the poor continues.

And don't site UK and Canadian systems, All you have to do is watch their comedy spoofs to know how well they really work.

jsf
Centerville, UT

And before you attempt to discount my fathers opinion of the VA, he was shot during the landing on New Britain, spent three years having surgeries on his legs, last time in the VA was 1957, he vowed he would never go back unless he expected to die. They haven't got it right in 57 years and liberals think the government can handle it now. Don't let government do anything with your personal care.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

jsf,

"....I love when democrat apologists tell us their legislation is based on bad republican legislation back then...."
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Mitt Romney thought it was great for Massachusetts, didn’t he? He just couldn’t explain why the Massachusetts plan was bad for America when Obama adopted it as his model. Not that anyone really expected Mitt to when he was after the job held by Obama.

I won’t even listen to Republican criticisms of the ACA now. Back when their input was actively sought by the White House, the sole focus of GOP strategy was to oppose any and all healthcare reform ideas the President proposed or was open to negotiating with GOP Congressional leadership.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

No one is to blame for this except for Obama and his closed door meetings with the house and senate democrats who cooked up this mess.........

It's all smoke and mirrors........no one is going to give you free healthcare......no one!

You are going to have to man up and start taking care of your own family and quit thinking Obama is going to provide for you.....

This ruling will surely make it back the scotus and they will reaffirm it...

Obamacare will be overturned! And Obamacare will go down as the most costly mistake in political history!

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

As we have seen for the past 2+ years, we are getting the results of a half-baked, government handout program that wasn't paid for. Its a sad sack, doomed to fail program, put together by leftist elites, who were determined to go forward no matter what, and completely without GOP input. As you may recall, the GOP was told to get to the back of the bus and shut up, because bho and his sorry band of fools were in charge now. So for 2 years king bho, the courts and most other government agencies have been scrambling to fix the mess they all created.
You can pretend this was originally a GOP program, but not exactly. It was never voted on as legislation or supported by the GOP majority. Most Republicans opposed it back in the 90's. The GOP plan wasn't 4000 pages, and didn't include many of the provision that obamacare has. You can pretend it was Romney's plan also, but he vetoed it before signing it into law, after having it forced on him by the legislature.

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@jsf and TRUTH
Subsidies aren't free healthcare (that'd be more like the Medicaid expansion, which is a separate issue). We're talking about middle class families who have a portion of their insurance costs covered. Those are the people (in the 36 states that didn't set up their own exchanges) who'd be affected if the plaintiffs in this case get their way.

Wonder
Provo, UT

This is fabulous news! Now all the people who finally have health care can be thrown off and won't be taking up space at my doctor's office. Freedom has won!! More for me, and that's what really matters. This is a day to celebrate -- the day that the evil Obamacare was finally vanquished and things can be the way they were meant to be -- no health care for the good for nothing, lazy, probably immoral (or they would be wealthy, like me) working poor. Oh, it's a good day to be a righteous, generous, God-fearing conservative like me.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

By the way, this lawsuit wouldn't get rid of Obamacare, all it would do is skyrocket insurance rates for middle class people/families in the 36 states that didn't set up their own exchanges. Why is this something you all want? Oh right, anything that could look bad for Obama is good to you, regardless of who gets thrown under the bus along the way. Of course a state could just set up its own exchange then, and Congress could just pass a bill to adjust it to include the federal exchange, but Republicans don't have an interest in helping middle class families.

UT Brit
London, England

@jsf

"And don't site UK and Canadian systems, All you have to do is watch their comedy spoofs to know how well they really work."

Well that settles it then, who needs statistics and reports!

Wonder
Provo, UT

@jsf -- The VA is not a single payer plan. It's a single provider. A Medicare equivalent is what people were talking about when they wanted single payer. The day any elderly conservative gives up his Medicare will be the day I will listen when he says anything negative about a single payer system.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

HaHaHaHa,

"....You can pretend it was Romney's plan also, but he vetoed it before signing it into law, after having it forced on him by the legislature...."
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I prefer to let Mitt Romney speak for himself.

"They’re talking about it on the federal level, we actually did something. And we did it without cutting Medicare and raising taxes."

"So you’re saying, 'Look at Romneycare?'" Wallace interjected.

"Absolutely. I am very proud of what we did, and the fact that we helped women and men and children in our state."

(Mitt Romney to Chris Wallace in an interview with Fox News aired on August 26, 2012)

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

Uh Oh, this could be a real obummer.

VST
Bountiful, UT

“But we have to pass it so we can see what is in it.”
– Princess Pelosi

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