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Published: Monday, July 21 2014 2:10 p.m. MDT

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Rockyrd
Gilbert, AZ

Hang on. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

Ufan
Salt Lake City, UT

One thing that hasn't even been addressed yet is what happens to women's sports under Title IX if colleges start paying large salaries to football players.

What if some judge somewhere decides that women's lacrosse players should be paid as much as football players?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

With the abomination that is Title 9 looming over their heads it won't surprise me one bit if the only mens sports left are football and basketball and all other sports are womens sports to make the title 9 mandated "equality" mandate.

Football and mens' basketball pay all of the bills so in order to have any sports at all those 2 will have to be kept otherwise no sports will exist. No one outside of family members cares about any womens sports and minor mens sports so they cannot survive on their own. Title 9 requires womens sports be equal in scholarships to mens sports and since football and mens basketball are the money makers it will be the men's minor sports that get eliminated first followed by whatever womens sports need to be eliminated to give them an even number of scholarships to football and mens basketball.

Reasonable thinker
PAC Country, CA

If they think the law suits are bad now wait until everything changes. These power 5 schools will not be able to defend all of the law suits headed their way.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

I think Men's "minor" sports have suffered the most from Title IX Tyranny. Many schools have eliminated wrestling and gymnastics, and what was a pleasant afternoon at a men's track meet is now an overly long ordeal with the inclusion of the women's teams.

A possible solution would be to establish "club" sports with private foundations sponsoring the coaches and renting space from the university. These clubs could form their own associations, like the AAU and while there wouldn't be a National Title, there could be show-case tournaments to high-light competitions. Booster clubs could raise tuition assistance and even hire tutors if needed. Usually the student-athletes I mean athlete, some time students who need the tutoring are on the "Big Two" squads, the other sports seem to have participants who manage to attend classes and graduate on their own.

The participant's GPA would not be an issue, in fact the whole event could be off-campus, renting other venues for practice and performance and the Universities and NCAA could watch, or not as they want.

Baseball isn't the only sport where participants would play for the "love of the game".

Slugmaster
West Valley City, UT

As a former college athlete I can tell you a lot of nickle and dime cheating goes on and a lot of guys just flat out starve depending on how much talent they have. A coach makes hundreds of thousands or even millions at bigger schools while a kid that helps feed his salary has to bum food off classmates. I've seen it. I've done it. Yes, I was not very good. Anyway, I hope they will now take care of the kids basic needs. That's the positive from this. The negatives are too numerous to list.

wer
South Jordan, UT

It was recently announced that of the 65 "top" football schools, only 25 of them operate under budget. Most, if not all,pour all the $100 of MILLIONs they make back into their sports programs. Very, very little is used to support what the universities mission is supposed to be: educating students. None of the top programs pay their football coaches less than the university president. In fact, an unbelievable number pay their coaches 10X what the presidents make.

The coming financial crisis is of their own making.

DuckOuttaWater
SLC , UT

It's unfortunate that things are turning this way. As a duck fan watching the ridiculous amounts of money poured into athletics, none of this is surprising to me (and shouldn't be to anyone else). Economics 101, if you can't make more than you take out you go deeper in debt or you die. RIP many of the Olympic collegiate sports. It's the unfortunate reality of the greed and selfishness of the power players in CFB, not the student athletes who only want what they need to get by as slugmaster pointed out above.

65TossPowerTrap
Salmon, ID

Stop blaming Title IV for the problems in intercollegiate sports. I love college football, but do FBS football teams really need 85 scholarships and 100+ players on the roster? The NFL seems to get by with 53 players and plays more games. Does Oregon really need Brazilian hardwood floors in its weight room and individually ventilated lockers? The Olympic sports cost next to nothing. And seriously, most college football programs are not self-sustaining. Only the largest programs truly pay their own way and the rest are subsidized by student fees and tax dollars just like the olympic sports..

IQ92
hi, UT

Two words (so to speak): BYU Idaho.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

65tosspowertrap

You're simply wrong. Football pays all the bills for just about everything else with only mens basketball paying its own way at most schools. The womens sports and the other mens sports are takers, not contributors, financially. I'm not saying that doesn't make them worthwhile but it does mean they are a burden financially.

Title 9 mandates that the womens sports, which are all a financial burden and loser, have to be treated equally with the mens sports so that hamstrings things. You may not like the reality of it but it is a reality.

32843
PROVO, UT

Title 9 is in the same league as affirmative action. The intent was to open the doors of opportunity to everyone regardless of sex, race, etc. The problem is that when one group is guaranteed a spot at the table, regardless of what they bring to that table, everyone seated at that table will suffer. More important, in a country that prides itself on the free enterprise system... if you have a product people want to consume they'll spend their money and beat a path to your door. If you don't, you'll go out of business. What the lib's want is to force us all to attend WNBA games, women's collegiate softball games (though, those girls can really play. I saw one of the best women's fastpitch softball pitchers strike out one of the most talented MLB hitters. It was awesome).

The point is, whenever you try and legislate behavior it is doomed to fail from the start. Title 9 may have had good intentions, but, it suffers from unintended consequences... the loss of more popular men's sports.

65TossPowerTrap
Salmon, ID

Duckhunter:

I understand the system with all its warts. What guys like you don't understand is that very few football programs are self sustaining, and I don't care - I still love college football. But most football programs are subsidized by the school just like womens sports. That's the reality that most football fans don't want to hear. Title IV requirements could be more easily met with less disruption if FBS teams didn't scarf up 83 schollies.
Jason Whitlock once referred to olympic sport athletes as "welfare" athletes since their sports don't pay their own way. Whitlock played football at Ball State. Do you honestly think that Ball State football is self sustaining? If so, I have car to sell you that runs on cold fusion.

pleblian
salt lake city, utah

Could this all be eliminated if:
1) Football scholarships were limited to 55 players?
2) Walk-ons limited to 20 players?
3) Miles traveled per season for every team limited--reviving regional rivalries and regional recruiting? (Exceptions for post season play)
4) A formula for non-tuition/non-book compensation to athletes which is equal amongst all schools (taking into account costs of living etc)?

All programs need to limit costs. That is the problem: costs. If you do not allow the wealthier programs to leverage their wealth in these areas, or perhaps charge wealthier teams an NCAA "luxury tax" for certain types of unnecessary spending (stadiums, locker rooms, boxes, etc), then you can bring sanity back.

Encourage regional rivalries, regional recruiting, regional playoffs, national playoffs qualifying from each region...and college football will survive.

Alterego
Harrisville, UT

College football is changing, and not for the better. It looks like the P5 want to create their own league and their own rules.

Are we dealing with a University's football program or a football organization affiliated with a university? Is the dog wagging the tail or vice versa?

Which is more important in the eyes of a University president? When will the headache created by athletics become too much? When will taxpayers decide they've had enough and convince their elected representatives P5 football "programs" no longer require taxpayer funding?

They're making themselves out to be some king of semi-professional league. More and more the system resembles a professional sport with paid players.

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