@Furry1993The Christians are NOT out to get you or force you to do
any thing. But neither by the power and force of government should you be
forcing them to be bent to your will and dictate to them just because you do
not agree with their beliefs.In this country all people are allowed
to live their beliefs and conscience both publically and privately. Which
includes the influencing of the making of law. It is one of the most important
and honored and cherished liberties we have.If people are no longer
allowed to live according to there beliefs and conscience then what is the point
of the American experiment?No. People should not be forced to pay
for what ever care you demand just because you think they should. It defies e
individual liberty and freedom and everything this country has stood for.If you force labor from your baker, put them into servitude to you, or
demand entitlements from your employer where does it end?Putting
more and more chains on others, especially those you oppose, proverbial or real
does not make us all freer or good-er. Quite the contrary..
I see the liberals are out in full spin mode today. How ironic it is in this
Hobby Lobby case that they scream about "freedom" from oppressive bosses
but don't utter a peep about oppressive government.Just why is
that?As far as the unjust Justice Roberts: The Founding Fathers
would like to have a few words with that guy....and it won't be pretty.
@Furry1993:You presume without any evidence that they have a hidden
motive other than their religious belief. Lots of people think that
contraception is immoral and many of them believe this because of their
religious views. I don't agree with that view, but I am open-minded enough
to respect diversity.If we were talking about evolution or dinosaurs
or something and a rabid creationist (I know someone in this forum who is like
that) came on and starting talking about Adam and Eve and 6000 years ago and six
days, etc, I would not give their views on that topic (and any views on any
other topic for that matter) much credibility.Everytime we talk
about Hobby Lobby and the contraception mandate, there are some people who have
this presumption that because Hobby Lobby is Christian that therefore they have
these sneaky motives because they are trying to get out of something. People
with that view are stumbling over their stereotypes and those stereotypes
don't belong in an intelligent discussion any more than strict creationism
belongs in a lot of discussions.
This case has nothing to do with religious freedom. The Green family is free to
believe whatever they want and worship however they want. What is being
contested is their ability to impose their (fallacious) so-called
"religious" beliefs on their employees in violation of the laws they
agreed to obey and follow when they acquired their business license. To get
that license they had to agree to follow the laws controlling businesses in the
various jurisdictions in which they wish to operate (including federal laws an
regulations); they are trying to set themselves above the law and say they only
have to follow the ones which they are willing to follow. They are trying to
put themselves above the law. Hopefully the Supreme Court will see through
their tactics and rule against them.In fact, accepting their
argument concerning the effect of the morning after pill, ella, IUD etc. (with
which opinion science and medicine do not necessarily agree) those products do
not "abort" pregnancies. They merely do what "Mother Nature"
does concerning between a third and a half of all fertilized eggs -- keep them
from implanting and, therefore, keep pregnancies from starting.
Religious freedom should never include the right to decide insurance policies.
What if a CEO of a corporation doesn't believe in blood transfusions? Does
this mean the CEO has a right to provide refuse to allow their insurance to pay
for their blood transfusions? You are free to believe as you wish, but not
free to control others based on your beliefs. Hobby Lobby wants to control
people through their beliefs by making it more difficult for women to get
contraceptions. Employers shouldn't make birth control their business.
According to Megyn Kelly of Fox News, this is really not an issue of "birth
control". It is all about using abortion as a form of birth control. Hobby
Lobby rebelled against "abortio-factants" and not against birth control.
They accepted something like 20 of 21 issues in regard to birth control.
This one is easy to predict. Hobby Lobby and others will be told to cowtow to
the Dear Leader, for he reigns supreme. They will be told that their religious
freedom isn't important, so shut up and be a good little conformist. It
will be another nail in the coffin for religious freedom in this country.