....And to think the left has the audacity to complain about a Republican
Congress who at least attempts to block this run amok President. The nerve of
"I'll make our government open and transparent, so that anyone can
ensure that our business is the People's business"-Barack Obama
Feb 2009So much for that...
Gary O:In section 1 (Organization, Finance, and Management) Chapter 10
(Office of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue) Section 3 (Standards for Using
Email) of the IRS employee manual, you can find:Emails as Possible
Federal Records:1. All federal employees and federal contractors are
required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation
of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential
transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved,
available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition
schedules.2. The Federal Records Act applies to email records just
as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they
are:•Created or received in the transaction of agency business•Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s
function and activities, or•Valuable because of the information they
contain.3. If you create or receive email messages during the course
of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them
properly. Please feel free to go read the entire thing-this is only
part of it. Of course, you probably consider the IRS website as part
of "Right Wing La La Land"
Let's face it folks.The IRS can give itself over eleven million
in bonuses, but can't update their computers?This country has
Oh . . . In other words, you cant's find any such law.Just more
somebody said he said there's a law . . . somewhere . . . in Right Wing La
La Land.That's what I thought.
Hey Gary: Try Reading the article you are commenting on. Specifically, the
first two paragraphs. Here: The Internal Revenue Service did not
follow the law when it failed to report the loss of records belonging to a
senior IRS executive, the nation's top archivist told Congress Tuesday."Any agency is required to notify us when they realize they have a
problem," David Ferriero, archivist of the U.S. during a House Oversight and
Government Reform committee hearing./close quote. Are
you saying that David Ferriero is lying? That he doesn't know the law? In
your zeal to defend the indefensible, you are maligning this man. But like I
said above, you would prefer Himmler's Germany over our current government,
so yes, you probably don't think he is lying, but it doesn't
matter--you will smear him anyway. Whilst, of course, you lie your own rear end
off to defend King Barack.
GaryO,keep digging, your hole is getting deeperfrom the
article:"The Internal Revenue Service did not follow the law when it
failed to report the loss of records belonging to a senior IRS executive, the
nation's top archivist told Congress Tuesday."Any agency is
required to notify us when they realize they have a problem," David
Ferriero, archivist of the U.S. during a House Oversight and Government Reform
Can't believe some people will defend wrong doing.
Hey Lost -"the IRS SHOULD have reported the loss.IT
IS THE LAW!"Is it? I haven't been able to find any law on
the Net that says that the IRS would have to report a broken hard drive and the
loss of emails to anybody.Please . . . let's see the law to
which you "Conservatives" allude.Yes, yes, I know . . .
Somebody said he said she said there's a law somewhere that deals with
this issue.WHERE is it?Let's see it.
The IRS will not be punished
GaryO,yes, the IRS SHOULD have reported the loss.IT IS THE
LAW! it is not for the IRS to determine whether or ont the emails wer
important, it was their responsibility to report the loss.but then
you appear perfectly happy to allow the BO misdaministration to break the law.
Now that the IRS has demonstrated that they cannot properly backup data, how
will they convince a jury that Joe AverageGuy is a tax cheat? Just because they
don't have a record of him paying taxes means nothing.Six hard
drive crashes, besides Lois Lerner's destroyed all the evidence. Cool.
GaryO,From the (ir)rationality of your comments, you would serve your
cause best by not commenting.
"So the files were lost in 2011, but there was NO hint of any co-called
scandal until 2013, and definitely no investigation.That
doesn’t make much sense if you’re suggesting that the investigation
of a so-called scandal caused the removal of emails."Have you
considered that the removal of emails was done in case anybody would do an
investigation in the future? If you wrote questionable emails or texts to
somebody and wanted to delete them to destroy the evidence, would you wait until
somebody else suspected you had and asked to see your phone or computer?Also, just because it took people a few years to find evidence of a
scandal doesn't mean it's not a scandal anymore.
GaryO-It's not the IRS' choice to keep or not keep the records.
Under FOIA laws, they have to made available for future FOIA requests, because
as you stated, they don't know in the future what documents will be needed
for review. It is a problem when information that, under law, is supposed to be
available and isn't. That is precisely why the law was not
followed. If they had reported the missing emails in 2011, it wouldn't look
suspicious, especially since the IRS commissioner promised those emails would be
forthcoming a few months ago. But let's not kid ourselves.
Those emails exist. It is impossible for them to have just
"disappeared". Six months of missing emails for 7 different IRS
employees and no one reported that? You must be kidding if you believe there was
If a liberal democrat said the moon was made of cheese,--many would actually
believe that.Too many gullible people in this country.
Hey Riverton Cougar -" . . . dealing with Obama's scandals
is like playing whack-a-mole . . "LOL . . .You're using
make-believe moles and you're STILL not winning.So the files
were lost in 2011, but there was NO hint of any co-called scandal until 2013,
and definitely no investigation.That doesn’t make much sense
if you’re suggesting that the investigation of a so-called scandal caused
the removal of emails.The timeline doesn’t conform to your
prejudices at all, does it?Hey Lost -The IRS should have
reported the problem? Should they have reported a non-problem too?I
personally wouldn’t regard losing emails as a problem, unless they are
significant in some way, and in 2011, the emails in question were not
I wonder if the Democrats in the house and in the senate who are defending the
IRS handling of the missing emails, believe Nixion's reasons for the 18.5
minute gap in the Nixon watergate tapes?
The emails were not lost - they are carefully hidden somewhereGaryOyour immediate defense of the BO misadministration has made you
just a little careless. The IRS emails were lost in 2011 and should have been
reported by the IRS to NARA then, in 2011. NARA is just now learning of it - 3
years later. NARA is NOT the agency that should have reported the loss, as you
infer; they are the agency to whom the loss should have been reported THREE
YEARS AGO by the IRS that BO is illegally using to persecute his political
opponents.it does get old, your constant defense of the
indefensiable.It's a pity that liberals cannot think of
anything else to do.
Yes, Gary. We all know you have no problems with the Government abusing its
power to target political enemies; and you have no problem with governmental
corruption. Indeed, you have made it perfectly clear that you prefer Germany,
circa 1940 style government to our own, what with the worshipping of
dictatorial, above the law leaders who target and abuse their political enemies;
rewriting their own countries law without authority and against their
constitution. That's your favorite, as expressed numerous times on these
boards.But for the rest of us who prefer freedom, the clear cut
abuse and arrogant nature of the IRS, coupled with its blatant politicization,
is a bad thing.
GaryO,The IRS was supposed to report the lost records to the
National Archives and Records Administration as soon as they learned they lost
the emails, but they didn't. They didn't "promptly" report it
unless 2 years later is considered prompt (and I have a hunch that the IRS would
not consider filing your taxes 2 years late as "prompt").I
really think you're the only one who comments on these boards who thinks
that this is nothing to worry about.Don't suggest that
Republicans aren't doing anything useful; dealing with Obama's
scandals is like playing whack-a-mole, except Obama and his administration are
trying to keep anybody from whacking any moles.
So . . . “Any agency is required to notify us when they realize they have
a problem," . . . Uh huh . . . “The National
Archives and Records Administration did not learn about the lost records until
earlier this month”. . . And then promptly reported it.I don’t see a problem here.Looks like another
non-scandal a brewing.It gets old doesn’t it?It’s a pity that “Conservatives” in Congress can’t
think of anything better to do.
I'm just "shocked" a quasi liberal institution like the IRS was
purposely not following the law.And I'm "shocked" at
their "competence" in having lost these emails.I'm also
"shocked" they aren't being too cooperative in investigations.They're just following barack's "example" of