Esquire -"We, the people, are weary of this kind of stuff. One
or two inquiries are not inappropriate ..."So you are not weary
of the foxes 'investigating' each other, but a REAL investigation
"is more about seeking an edge in the game of politics. Nothing
more."I beg to differ, I say we need a special federal
prosecutor to investigate whether a crime has been committed or not, in order to
hopefully find out the TRUTH instead of a cover up.
Brio- I totally agree with you that "This scandal must be very bad for the
IRS and others involved to decide they'd rather take the vast amount of
heat and embarrassment for "losing" this evidence rather than let them
GaryO- "Keeping Congress completely out of the investigation is
the reasonable course to take." Yes, let's just let the
foxes investigate each other and not be bothered with finding the truth.
" . . .the agency will not share with Congress additional details about its
lost emails related to the ongoing tea party investigation until its own review
is finished"That makes sense.Involving Congress
prematurely would do no good, and the point of governance is to do good.So many Republicans in Congress, especially those of the Tea Party
persuasion, are dedicated to preventing the Obama administration from doing its
job, governing wisely. For many years now, Republicans have made attacking the
Federal Government their reason for being, and Public Service has been put on a
far back burner or maybe even removed from the stove.Shamefully,
Congress is stocked with people now who are dedicated to doing harm, rather than
doing good.Keeping Congress completely out of the investigation is
the reasonable course to take.
5% of hard drives crash yearly. We poor citizens's emails are kept by
Google, Comcast, Yahoo or whoever we use. The IRS should have back up hard
drives. If not they should be fired. Even a crashed hard drive has information
that may be retrieved. These people are crooked. Get rid of them. And I
don't know much about computers, but this is quite obvious. Let's go
to a flat tax and now.
I watched coverage of the hearings and questioning of the IRS commissioner on
CNN! What a dog and pony show, scripted and performed as red meat for the
Neo-Cons of the country! It plays well in the Red States, but I suggest that we
will find the rest of the voters in this country will see this farse in the
same light as another member of the investigating committee when he asked the
IRS Commissioner if he had any information concerning "Area 51 and Aliens or
if he had ever been in possession of the Presidents birth certificate?" It
all falls into the same category as birth certificate, Rev. White, IRS, NSA,
Benghazi, "Shenannigans, Scandals, AbusesApologist, Tyrant, or
whatever pathetic excuse they can dig up in an effort to portray the Admin. in a
bad light until the Nov. elections. I may be offering the DN the Scoop of the
year, but in case the Pubs didn't know, President Obama is not running for
election again! It would be well if they got on board with Carl Rove and
started to worry about Hillary!
I heard the audio of the exchange with Paul Ryan when Ryan said, "I
don't believe you." I wished Mr. Koskinen had replied, "Mr. Ryan,
I've seen you campaign. That's pretty rich coming from you."What we're getting from our Congress these days is pathetic. Both
sides of the aisle. Why are we supporting this? Conservatives, do you really
think things will be different if your side becomes the majority? How so? Because it isn't the politicians running the show anymore.
It's the moneyed interests. Our politicians no longer run for office in
order to influence policy. They're running to get a piece of the pie being
offered by those who TELL them what the policies will be. All that we voters
decide anymore is who gets to feed at that trough.Why are any of us
Missing?How about deleted, or hidden?
FT There is no hunch that one of the key players in this, Lois
Lerner, has taken the 5th several times. One does not do that unless one knows
they are in legal jeopardy. And do you refute my assertion that you care more
about protecting your political party than getting at the truth of possible
corruption in the American government? I wouldn't do that if it were a
Republican administration in office. Because that is exactly how you and
others seem on this. At least I'm glad that you referred to this as a
scandle, because it certainly has become one, and not because of Republicans,
but because of the actions of IRS people. You may not be old enough to
remember, but this is exactly how Watergate started. A little here, a little
there, then a stalled story. Nixon declaring 1 year of Watergate is enough.
Nevertheless, against a lot of public opinion and political opposition, the
truth came out. I just want the truth to come out here. If the Republicans had
stopped the investigation sooner, we would never have known about the lost
e-mails and Lerners 5th.
Esquire-So what is your point? Because emails were deleted during
the Bush administration to cover up information that they didn't want
citizens to know about then Obama can do it too? Is that your point?Or is your point that Republicans shouldn't complain about Obama's
corruption because Bush presumably did things wrong too?Should we
ignore corruption and abuse in government?I'm confused by your
post.Personally, I'm not worrying myself about former president
Bush in the same way (though it would be valuable to understand Bush corruption
and abuses to avoid it happening again). I'm much more concerned about the
abuses and corruption of our current president and his administration. When any
president from any party uses the powers of government to win elections, punish
rivals and the opposition, or silence citizens, I am very concerned.
@ GaryOIt's almost unbelievable that you and a few other
liberal Obama apologists are STILL trying to write this off as a "fake
scandal". Can people actually live so deeply in the dark and be so naive?
Even an ostrich with his head in the sand could get some type of feel for
the REAL corruption and REAL scandal that is taking place with the IRS in this
matter. This scandal must be very bad for the IRS and others
involved to decide they'd rather take the vast amount of heat and
embarrassment for "losing" this evidence rather than let them become
public. Perhaps even worse than Watergate.I truly hope that someday,
somehow the truth of this matter will be found out. It will then leave the
aforementioned administration liberal apologists will a lot of egg on their
Hey, let's talk e-mails:"The Bush White House email
controversy surfaced in 2007, during the controversy involving the dismissal of
eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while
investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush
administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were
available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email
server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental
business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act
of 1978, and the Hatch Act. Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted.
In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been
deleted."Did you want footnotes?
GaryOWho cares that Bush misled the country about his intentions in
Iraq. Who cares that people in the Reagan adminstration illegally traded
weapons in the Iran/Contra affair. Who cares that the Nixon White House bugged
the DNC headquarters at Watergate, and then used agencies like the CIA, FBI, and
IRS to try to cover it up. Who cares that Clinton lied under oath while serving
as President. Who cares that the IRS may very well have been engaged in an
illegal plan to stop conservative organizations from getting 501c3 status. Who
cares about any of that? Let's let this White House get back to the
business of governing in corruption instead of investigating all those
"fake" scandles. Yeah, thats what will make us a better country.
@Worf & SCfanNeither of you provided any facts only "conservative
hunches". Your thoughts on the scandal start with the premise that you
dislike our Comander in Chief. My thoughts start with the evidence at hand and
as of yet there is none to tie BO to the scandal. And yes SCfan, I am a
patriot. One does not need to get his opinions from talk radio or Fox news to
be a patriot. How does Worf get his "caps" post by the screener?
need more time to do a better job of covering it up.esqcongress
wouldn't need to investigate if it weren't for all of barry's
shenanigans. I guess watergate shouldn't have been investigated either.libs continue to give this guy a pass
Who cares (other than "Conservatives" with no sense of proportion and no
sense of propriety) how those emails went missing?The government
should get back to the business of governing instead of investigating fake
FTI'll give you a link. White House records show the IRS
commissioner visiting the White House some 157 times. Some, but not the
majority, were recorded as for the ACA rollout. During the Bush White House,
the commissioner went there once. If this were a Republican in the White House
I'd want the truth to come out because every time corruption at high levels
is found and made public, it helps prevent further corruption, and it sends a
warning to all who hold power. Sad that people like you and many others here
are more interested in protecting your party rather than protecting the country.
You are no patriot.
re:FTthere is no way you can suggest that there is no tie to Barack
Obama with this IRS scandal. No possible way. The deleted emails must first be
recovered and examined by some impartial judge. Actually common sense STRONLY
suggests that indeed there is a link to the White House if you are willing to
look at the facts.Fact: The intimidation of conservative groups by
the IRS started over a year before the 2012 election. There is no possible way
some mid-level IRS manager would order such a thing. This is a felony and
without orders from above ...far above...no one is going to risk PRISON. This is
common sense.Fact: The fact that all the people suspected in the
scandal at the IRS suddenly all lost their emails is quite the coincidence
wouldn't you say?? Fact: With ACORN we already know what levels
Obama will stoop to in order to sway an election. The man has NO honor. this IRS scandal will only be uncovered IF the GOP wins the senate this
fall when Harry Reid is out of the way and a real investigation can begin.
I wonder how the IRS would react if I "forget" to send in tax forms for
a few years (with funds owed), then declared all of my records were
inadvertently misplaced? Hmmmm...
People this scandal is about the IRS and nothing has been found that links BO to
the IRS on this issue. Unless their is evidence the two are linked the rest of
us just chuckle at the crowd with their tin foil hats and divining rods. Some
people spend way to much time listening to talk radio and watching Fox News.
how could they go missing...hmmm...let's see...maybe the guilty people
deleted them?? If we EVER get the truth from this we will find Barack Obama
right smack dab in the middle of the whole thing. This would constitute the
BIGGEST scandal of his infamous presidency.
This is the transparency President Obama promised at all levels under his
administration and delivered, as predicted. The emperor has no clothes.
Washington was the same before and is the same now, and will be afterwards.
Wouldn't it be nice if Congress actually did something constructive? This
charade and never ending investigation won't raise the public approval
level of Congress. We, the people, are weary of this kind of stuff. One or two
inquiries are not inappropriate, but this is more about seeking an edge in the
game of politics. Nothing more.
"Appointment of a special federal prosecutor to investigate the IRS handling
of tax-exempt applications would be a monumental waste of taxpayer
funds."Isn't that what John Swallow said?
It was either an accident or it was done intentionally. Considering that this is
a large government organization with all the technology resources that come with
it, and knowing what we know about email services, we can estimate the chances
of this being an accident to almost 0.It is possible for them to
delete the evidence if they intentionally did it. Then there would not be enough
hard evidence to convict (since they destroyed it), BUT the world will know that
they are responsible. We may never know the extent of this scandal, and since
they are trying so hard to cover it up the extent is probably more than any of
us realize.How on earth people can support this administration is
beyond me. I want to know if anyone REALLY believes that this whole email
scandal is an accident, and if it wasn't, what are they trying to hide?