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Published: Friday, June 20 2014 1:00 p.m. MDT

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Dennis
Harwich, MA

If decisions are given solely to "local" authorities that's disturbing too. You can have a bishop that is kind, understanding and loving involved, or, a bishop the lives by the hard core letter of the law and you're doomed. There is no comparison to the two.
I used to be dumbfounded as a member of the high council at decisions that were made.

hairypatches
Hurricane, UT

The church is accused by followers of Ordain Women and Mormon Stories of trying to control the message and perhaps they are right to a certain degree. After all, the leaders of the church are the ones accountable for the message of the church or their spokespeople.

This is a beautifully crafted response to critics of the church.

Unfortunately John Dehlin and Kate Kelly are doing the same thing. Anytime I try to post any support for the church and I might say in a very respectful way, they do not allow it to be posted on the comment board of Ordain Women. MormonStories or FeministMormonHousewives. In other words, all they allow at this time is people that give them warm fuzzies. Talk about calling the kettle black? So much for open stories….

No critics allowed!

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

Article quote: "What causes concern for Church leaders is when personal motivations drive those conversations beyond discussion, and a person or group begins recruiting others to insist on changes in Church doctrines or structure. When it goes so far as creating organized groups, staging public events to further a cause or creating literature for members to share in their local congregations, the Church has to protect the integrity of its doctrine as well as other members from being misled. ..... If our personal goals go beyond what has been provided from those sources, we must ask ourselves whether we are we trying to change His Church to match our own perspective."

If one refuses to see that then they are truly blind. I say "refuses" instead of "cannot" because it is in fact that obvious.

I wish the best for those who oppose the LDS church, especially current and former members. Please, please choose wisely.

Dan Maloy
Enid, OK

@ Laura Bilington - Maple Valley, WA - "SlackTime, please understand that there are many faithful Mormons who believe that Christ has spoken--but that the Prophet is not listening."

Then they are not, and I quote, "faithful" Mormons.

How can they be "faithful" Mormons if they do NOT have "faith" in the prophet?

Cavs2310
Layton, UT

I feel like there are a few points in this discussion I'd like to make. 1. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not a democracy. I feel like a lot of people are missing this point. 2. Any person is allowed to question the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and its leadership, but there is a HUGE difference between personal questions that you study out in your own mind and creating dissension in a group of people.

anotherview
SLO, CA

The problem with The Church (culture?) is that "it/things" have never been simple and straightforward, yet we constantly speak and portray things as black/white, true or untrue--that we have all the answers. Yet, they aren't and we don't.

Adam and Eve--from God's mouth to their ears (not via a mortal, fallible intermediary) they were given 2 different commandments--multiply and replenish, don't partake of the fruit of knowledge, and then it unfolded from there. Adam and Eve muddled through, making mistakes.

All knowledge is not found in the scriptures and through prayer. If it were, we would be like Christian Scientists, eschewing modern science and medicine. Society evolves, previous beliefs and practices fall away as people become more enlightened. But we are all mortal and fallible. Some of us are seekers, some of us seek safety in the status quo. We need both kinds. The status quo to remind us of potential hazards and the seekers to push us to higher levels. The younger generation teaches the old, and the old teaches the young.

Stop the myth-making of straightforwardness, and infallibility whether it applies to church policy/doctrine, leadership etc

Mexican Ute
mexico, 00

Whenever a Disciplinary Council is held, it is by the local leaders and NOT by any General Authority. Though a General Authority or an Area Seventy can get involved in advising the Stake President what he should do with the evidences given, or if a Disciplinary Council is warranted.

Herby
Hurricane, UT

ForTruth,

You are telling me that "cast out" doesn't mean that yes because of their choices, they were sent out of heaven. In other words they were cast out. Just like those who make bad choices here on earth, they can make the bad choices but that may mean that they may get excommunicated from the church because of those bad choices. I don't get what is so ridiculous about that.

Herby
Hurricane, UT

Lets also be very honest here, Kelly whatever her name is, is doing this to boost her career. She is trying to get recognition as a civil rights activist. She is your modern day MLK JR, or at least she thinks. It is all a publicity stunt for her.

DonO
Draper, UT

Who is Jessica Moody and why is she representing the Church on such a high profile issue? I'm sure she's a fine person but hardly of the stature one would expect for a matter of this import.

San Diego
Orem, UT

Very nice, well-written article. There is one other important method of determining the truth and that is by actually living the gospel. Jesus said "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself." John 7:17 Try it, it works.

boneheaded, but not a smidgen
SLC, UT

why is it anyone's business, Mormon or non Mormon to weigh in on this? It is to be between the church and member, privately. unfortunately she has decided to have her day in the sun, all 15 minutes of it.

liberaustrian
El Paso, TX

@Blue AZ Cougar,

I appreciate the dialogue. I cannot say I am even familiar with the arguments being made in the ordain women movement. I will have to look up your references and give my opinion based on church law.

The point of my comment was more about the claims of the First Presidency to divine knowledge. The whole argument about ordaining women becomes a lot more clear when you don't believe there is genuine prophecy coming from Salt Lake. In my opinion, I think there should be a movement for starting a new reformed church that is honest about its past and its source of inspiration. There is nothing wrong with the current church, other than that dishonesty. The teachings are fundamentally solid, however the need to believe 100% is making the church too rigid. The foundation can be restructured to reflect the zeitgeist of today's information age without hurting the overall message of love one another.

oldschool
Farmington, UT

I am sorry to see anybody stray so far from the church that a membership is revoked. But when a person begins a "trial" over membership by insisting that he or she will not do as his/her local leader as requested, then I fully expect excommunication to be the end result. Nobody is excommunicated for simply asking questions or for wishing that church doctrine were different. But publicly lobbying for change reminds me of Martin Harris, who repeatedly asked to take some Book of Mormon transcripts home to show his wife, and we all know the result.

bc1050
Sandy, UT

The problem for the LDS church is that their are questions that they just do not have answer for such as why there are not Book of Mormon artifacts on display.... how do they answer that question?

SammyB
Provo, UT

liberaustrian,

It is difficult to have a successful dialogue when coming from such an opposite premise. It is as if two different languages are being used without a translator. You believe in sectarian humanism. Faithful LDS believe in a resurrected Christ who literally communicates with a living prophet. We believe the Church is true.

If our Church was simply a social organization that only taught the important doctrine of loving our fellow-man, then your point would be valid. We believe in an after-life, and that in order to return to our Heavenly Father, we have to follow Jesus Christ and apply the mercy of His Atonement. This kind of thing may seem silly to one who doesn't believe it, thus it is hard to have a successful dialogue.

John Reading
LITTLETON, CO

I apologize that I do not have time to read all the comments, nor consider all the inputs. After reading many of the comments, though, I would like to give an observation or two about disciplinary councils. I have sat on about 35 disciplinary councils over the years in a number of different roles (so far not in front of the council, but that's a discussion for another day). I have always seen absolute integrity and diligence in reaching a conclusion. I also have heard a number of claims of abuses in disciplinary councils. In the cases where I have subsequently been able to establish the facts in every case the aggrieved party was not adhering exactly to the truth in their complaint; and in fact, the complaints were groundless.

Are there ever errors/abuses/excesses in disciplinary councils? In a church administered by humans the answer of necessity must be "yes." However, I doubt, based on my experience, that they are endemic.

General
Alpine, UT

I thought this was going to be an article about questioning the how the church counts its membership numbers.

Captain L
Provo, UT

A Scientist: It is not a matter of leadership not being in touch, it is a matter of following the Lord and what he has revealed. To many people think the church is run by the opinion of men, it is not, it is run by Christ and he communicates with his Prophets and Apostles. That is called revelation . Having people male or female who think they know best is the problem, they think their opinion is just as valid as the next person and if the church was run by men that would be true but the church is run by revelation from Christ thru his chosen servants the prophets and they are who we need to look to for guidance . The ways of the world are not the ways of God and the reason there are so many different Christian churches is because they all have their own opinions as to what the scriptures say or how they think things should be run. God is where the truth comes from and his servants the prophets are those he has chosen to be his spokesmen to his children here on the earth. Follow the living prophets.

kolob1
sandy, UT

Dallin H Oaks LDS Apostle said "It's wrong to criticize leaders of the church even if the criticism is true".

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