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Back to Iraq: Obama sending 300 military advisers to Iraq to help quell rising insurgency

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  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2014 9:26 p.m.

    What is it about "conservatives" and their worship of Putin and their hatred of Obama?

    Are there that many traitors in this great nation?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 21, 2014 8:21 a.m.

    "Even as Obama left the door open for a direct military response, he said Iraq's future ultimately rests with its leaders' willingness to embrace a more inclusive political system."

    I think that Obama is being too soft on Maliki. Given our experience in Afghanistan where we raise concern after concern about corruption and the government gives lip-service to fixing corruption but does nothing we should learn to walk away.

    Maliki will give lip-service to being inclusive, but unless we get serious and tell him, "If you don't resign we won't help." If not, we will get a lot of lip-service and nothing will change. We can't force Iraq to change. But if they don't change, why should Americans die for them? It is their problem. If we help them when they won't help themselves, we aren't helping them, we are hurting them. In fact we are saying, "We will help because you are too big to fail."

    I think that if Maliki stepped down and was replaced by someone with integrity who was inclusive, the various Sunni tribes would turn on ISIS.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 21, 2014 4:21 a.m.

    "Only leaders that can govern with an inclusive agenda are going to be able to truly bring the Iraqi people together and help them through this crisis."

    Don't TELL them. SHOW them.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 20, 2014 9:31 p.m.

    Hey SC Fantasy -

    "Turns out that one of the biggest so called intelligence sources was a guy who turned out to be a total lier" . . . who said EXACTLY what GW wanted to hear to justify and attack on a nation that had not attacked us.

    . . . How convenient.

    And the Bush administration freely exaggerated those lies.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 20, 2014 9:27 p.m.

    wrz -

    "Yellowcake is a uranium ore that can be processed to become nuclear fuel."

    WRONG.

    The yellow cake uranium found in Iraq would not have even made a decent dirty bomb, and there is way any amount of processing could turn it into "nuclear fuel."

    We attacked Iraq based on a lie told by the GW Bush administration pure and simple.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 20, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    Hey Here -

    " . . . Not leaving a small contingent to monitor the situation."

    The terms of the SOFA signed by GW Bush in 2008 stipulated that ALL US military forces would be out of the country by the end of December 2011.

    And the Iraqis INSISTED on just that.

    Did you expect Obama to force "a small contingent" upon the Iraqis against their will.

    Besides, any small contingent would be an easy target for insurgents to attack.

    All of this "small contingent" talk in the Right Wing Press is an attempt to mask the real reason for this insurgency, namely the idiotic, illegal, and nonsensical attack and occupation of Iraq by US forces at the direction of GW Bush, under the guise of a phony WMD threat.

    Face it Here, "Conservative" leadership is nothing but bad news for this nation and the world.

  • Here Sandy, UT
    June 20, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    @slcdenizen

    Very clever, comparing Tea Partiers to gays. I consider myself a moderate Republican. AND I have disagreed with the Tea Partiers on more than one occasion, but to lump them with the GLBT community is ludicrous, even if done satirically. There could not be much more of a false comparison.

    From what I've seen, I believe the tea partiers are acting out of genuine beliefs in what they feel is good for our country. From what I've observed, I suspect the GLBT activists are acting out of genuine beliefs in what they feel is good for mostly themselves.

    More on topic. Mr. Obama and his advisers would rather hem and haw, flexing their muscles, threatening "dire consequences" till the cows come home, hoping problems will disappear. Some problems don't disappear. What are you going to do Mr. President? Air strikes? What? You start to wonder about the experience level of his advisers. I'm not for sending back American soldiers. This is just a culmination of several crucial mistakes, including telling the enemy when you'll be leaving. Not leaving a small contingent to monitor the situation.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 20, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    I suspect re-enlistments in the military are going to sharply decline going forward until a competent commander and chief can be appointed. The entire world laughs at Obama and his pitiful attempts to command anything.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 20, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    @SCfan - 6:33 a.m. June 20, 2014

    You are absolutely correct on all points.

    I would only add that, if there is to be democracy in lands controlled by Muslim adherents, their youth will have to be taught about it in their madrasahs (schools). Will that ever happen? No. There are 1.2 billion Muslims throughout the world who follow the Koran and Hadith. These documents essentially tell Muslims to hate and kill the infidel, i.e., anyone who is not Muslim. Of course, there are many peace-loving Muslims. But there are also millions of jihadists who attack and kill. With more joining the cause every day... trained in their madrasahs.

    The aggravating thing about it is that our country's leaders are either mentally incompetent or too ensconced in political correctness to understand the breadth of the problem. This goes all the way from Bush/Cheney to the current White House occupant... why, by the way, has Muslim ancestry.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    June 20, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    Obama promised world peace, just like you could keep your Doctot. What a weakling he is.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 20, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    Who has been advising the enemy/ISIL, and where did they get their military weapons?

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    For the kiddies in the audience, this is how we got involved in ..... wait for it,

    Vietnam.

    We helped evacuate people from the partitioned North to the South after the fall of the French military forces in around 1954. Then we sent "advisers" to the South Vietnam military in the early 1960's, and 50,000 dead Americans later we pulled out.

    I know the scenario is a bit different but the promises are the same.

    Why does history repeat itself? Because we don't learn the lesson the first, or second time.

  • JMT Springville, UT
    June 20, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    In the absence of the Canadian pipeline, oil is shipped to the refineries via railway. The railway is primarily owned by Warren Buffet's group Berkshire Hathaway. This is CLASSIC corrupt, crony capitalism. Warren Buffet helps message Barak Obama's agenda around income inequality, minimum wage, raising taxes and, he helps the President look strong on environmental issues as he blocks the pipeline.

    The payoff for this political messaging, the pipeline is blocked, thus the oil is shipped via Warren Buffet's rails.

    This can be verified by reading the pages of the Deseret news over the many years. Berkshire Hathaway has purchased billions in shares in the rail companies.

    As for the 300, I am alarmed. We are getting in the middle of the road. Either we evacuate our personnel or we go in and fight to stabilize. Instead, we are not evacuating and 300 is not enough to do more than protect a small parcel of land, not a city or a country.

    Historically, there was another band of 300, among a nations finest that was asked to stand against the hordes. They did so heroically. We do not need a repeat. This decision by the Administration is bad!

  • Max Upstate, NY
    June 20, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    A day late and a dollar short, Barack. A politician, a talker, a rock star. What we so desperately need is a leader.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 20, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    As I read more about this ISIS they are way beyond where Al Queda ever got. They are a true army who take land, material, money, and rule that area like the NAZIs did. They are imposing Saria law and killing anyone who does not comply. And they seem to have been well organized and funded. I'm not for us sending any more soldiers to fight over there. Air strikes would be about all I could fathom. However, someday, somewhere, somehow, we WILL have to fight these guys. The time may not be right now, with a war weary public, but make no mistake, ISIS will attack us or our interests. Question is, what will the public and President want to do when it happens.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 20, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    President Kennedy is his idol and 1962 was sending advisers to Vietnam which is Hillary's quagmire.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 20, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    Worf -

    "Too bad Obama didn't weigh the options with the Canadian oil pipeline."

    I really can't see what you're complaining about.

    Most of the Keystone Pipeline has already been completed under the Obama administration.

    It is only the last phase, Phase Four, AKA Keystone XL, that's being held up because of environmental considerations.

    Plenty of Canadian oil runs through the existing Keystone Pipeline to American Refineries and to the port in Houston . . . So the Canadians can sell to us if they want to.

    It's not up to us to tell the Canadians where to sell their oil.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 20, 2014 7:51 a.m.

    @Brio
    Conservatives love to spout that Democrats also supported and voted for the war. Incorrect. What they approved was the use of force. It was the Bush/Chenney administration that decided to use it. World leaders and rational people here at home were advocating for them to be patient and let the inspectors finish their job. Bush/Chenney would not, and as we discovered later they intended to invade all along. It was the worst, most immoral act of any administration in the history of our country. For anyone to defend it shows a total disregard for human life and common decency.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 20, 2014 6:33 a.m.

    Look folks, at the time all intelligence sources, not just American, believed in the WMD in Iraq. Turns out that one of the biggest so called intelligence sources was a guy who turned out to be a total lier. The biggest mistake Bush made was not the going in to Iraq, it was the staying behind and trying to put lipstick on a pig. Iraq, with their Sunni/Shiite problems that have been going on forever, and will continue to go on forever, cannot be changed into a democracy for very long. Yes, a couple of elections, but the most influential element in those middle east societies is not government and freedom and voting. It is the religion of Islam. And in those governments the religious have a huge say anyway. And when you break it down, Islam and democracy (as we understand it) do not mix. Hence, a futile effort from the beginning.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 19, 2014 11:47 p.m.

    @pragmatistferlife:
    "wrz, they didn't seize his stockpile, they occupied an old building that Saddam used to make chemical weapons."

    Oh, so Saddam did have WMD. Bush and Cheney were correct... as were Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Joe Biden, and many other Democrats who voted in the Senate for the 'Authorization to use Military Force in Iraq.'

    "There apparently were some old non useable chemicals still there, but that's not news to anyone."

    Did Hans Blix tell you that?

    "Point is don't resurrect the WMD scenario over one old building with a little old non useable gas."

    Well then, check this out...

    'WASHINGTON, July 7, 2008 - Defense personnel have completed the transfer of 550 metric tons of Iraqi uranium ore to Canada, Defense officials said here today.

    The Iraqi government asked the United States to help transfer the yellowcake -- as the ore is known -- from Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center near Baghdad to its buyer in Canada, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said today.

    The military dubbed the movement Operation McCall, and it ended July 5.

    Yellowcake is a uranium ore that can be processed to become nuclear fuel.'

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 19, 2014 9:20 p.m.

    I wonder if Hillary, Harry, and Nancy will be doing some advising?

  • David Centerville, UT
    June 19, 2014 9:18 p.m.

    Does an inclusive government lead by a president sound like this? "Republicans can come along for the ride but they'll have to sit in the back of the bus."

    Does an inclusive-minded leader chant "tax the rich" ad nauseam as his primary economic formula? Or force religiously-conscious people and organizations to pay for abortion benefits in insurance plans? Or lock out the opposition party from crafting a solution to the nation's health care challenges?

    It sounds like Obama is lecturing Iraqi leaders out of one side of his mouth while acting completely opposite in his own world.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    June 19, 2014 6:39 p.m.

    Reading these comments shows me once again how ill informed Fox News viewers are. The revisionist history is amazing.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 19, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    Make sure that Dick Cheney is the first to go. He made this mess - he can clean it up himself.

  • Concinnity Richfield, UT
    June 19, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    @ The intelligence regarding the WMD wasn't misrepresented. It was outright wrong. All of our intelligence agencies were united in their assessments about WMD being in Iraq. They got it wrong, not Bush. President Bush used those assessments which was considered the best intel available at that time. Democrats conveniently keeping forgetting those details when bringing up the origins of the Iraqi war.

    Besides that, Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator and murderer that needed to be removed and tried for his crimes. He caused an imbalance in the Mid East with policies that were anti-American. Terrorism was harbored and protected in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Both needed to be dealt with. If Obama had had a better exist strategy, much more good would've resulted from our wars there. Announcing your country's exist strategy and exit times to your enemy was absolutely inexcusable for its ineptness. It's sad to read Obama apologists try to anyway.

  • slcdenizen Murray, UT
    June 19, 2014 4:07 p.m.

    @Brio, Objectified

    "they adhere to the original Constitution... "

    "Even though I'm an Independent, being a Tea-Partier who believes in following Constitutional law"

    Why are tea partiers so hesitant to identify themselves as such? Has it become the new gay? Just come out of the closet already and admit that you watch Fox News, prefer to identify unfamiliar topics as "liberal", are nearing retirement and project your self-loathing from not accomplishing your life goals onto welfare recipients, and have found relief from life's complexities by reading Vince Flynn and Brad Thor, imagining yourself as a heroic patriot that at times must torture terrorists for the good of America. There's no shame in being yourself. Be loud, be proud!

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    June 19, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    "the 300 would largely be Green Berets, deployed in teams embedded with Iraqi security forces." That's combat.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 19, 2014 3:55 p.m.

    @ Frozen Factals:

    Iraq was also harboring terrorists and promoting the level of terrorism that led to 9/11. It wasn't just Afghanistan.

  • Missouri loves BYU Lebanon, MO
    June 19, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    Also, what exactly is a "military advisor"? To me it sounds like a creative way of saying we are sending military staff without calling them troops because we don't want to call them troops since we said we would not send troops so if we call them advisors people will imagine they are wearing black dress shoes and not boots as we said we would not send people who wear boots.... Better make sure the advisors don't pack any boots...better yet, Obama will issue an executive order prohibiting the military advisors from packing any boots. But since boots are military issue and soldiers wear boots, they will rename the boots and call them something like "advisory traction enhancers" so that they can keep saying they did not put boots on the ground.... See, problem solved the Obama way...

  • silo Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2014 3:42 p.m.

    "Unless you're too young to remember the original 9/11, most of our entire country was united in our desire for retribution via the Iraqi war."

    @Brio

    All well and good...except for the minor detail that Iraq had exactly nothing to do with 9/11. Making such claims in favor of former President Bush at this point is partisan politics and definitely costs credibility to anyone making them.

    For reference:
    "we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th" - George Bush 2003

    "If you're talking specifically about the September 11th attacks, we never made that claim" - Scott McClellan (Bush WH spokesman)

    "We have never claimed that Saddam Hussein had either direction or control of 9/11." - Condoleeza Rice

    "On the question of whether or not Iraq was involved in 9/11, there was never any evidence to prove that" - Dick Cheney

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 19, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    @ slcdenizen...

    I'm a bit surprised that anyone could remain so naive regarding the Canadian oil pipeline situation in the U.S.. Had you bothered to keep informed, you'd know I'm only quoting commonly known information that the Canadians have spoken themselves many times.

    If you actually believe anything was made up in the comment I made regarding it, then you truly need to start reading more to keep from further embarrassing yourself in these posts.

    However, you are correct about Tea Party principles being "fine", in that they adhere to the original Constitution... as opposed to the "living document principle" of the Constitution that keeps changing to accommodate whatever the current issue is that liberals are dealing with, whenever their stance doesn't correlate to the Constitution, which has been quite often lately.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 3:32 p.m.

    @Brio
    "Unless you're too young to remember the original 9/11, most of our entire country was united in our desire for retribution via the Iraqi war. "

    9/11 wasn't done by Iraq. That was the Afghanistan war.

    The support for the Iraq war came from misrepresenting the intelligence we had on the matter of Saddam's capacity/supply of WMDs and connections to terrorism.

  • Missouri loves BYU Lebanon, MO
    June 19, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    @ FT....

    You have misunderstood. The American People have been sending Obama Ill repute for quite some time based on Obama's lack of leadership, bungled foreign relations and exploding debt. Now that Obama cannot continue to blame every issue on Bush the transparency in his administration shows that he isn't the leader he convinced people he would be.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    @Brio
    " Canadians have preferred for a long time to send their oil to their best ally... the USA. However, since Obama refuses to sign off on the required pipeline for political reasons, they will be forced to sell it somewhere else"

    Obama blocking a pipeline doesn't stop Canada from selling it to the U.S. They can ship their refined oil in British Columbia wherever they want whether it's California, Tokyo, or Beijing.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    June 19, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    @ slcdenizen:

    Unline you, Brio obviously reads the news and keeps up on international events. Canadian oil officials have publicly stated their preference for dealing with America many times. Get a clue.

    Even though I'm an Independent, being a Tea-Partier who believes in following Constitutional law is many times more preferable to being a liberal who abuses them.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 19, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    @ FT:

    If you didn't have such a selective memory, you'd recall that both houses of Congress also voted to proceed with the Iraqi war and send troops. Even Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton voted in favor of it.

    So to try to lay the blame of American lives on just Bush and Cheney is ridiculous and naive. Unless you're too young to remember the original 9/11, most of our entire country was united in our desire for retribution via the Iraqi war.

    Making such claims against former President Bush at this point is partisan politics and definitely costs credibility to anyone making them.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 19, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    @ Schnee:

    You are incorrect. Canadians have preferred for a long time to send their oil to their best ally... the USA. However, since Obama refuses to sign off on the required pipeline for political reasons, they will be forced to sell it somewhere else... probably to China.
    Obama's actions, such as this one, continue to appear to be self-serving. If he had the good of America in mind, that pipeline would've been mostly built by now and we wouldn't be so dependent on non-allies for part of our energy needs.

    Back to the topic...
    300 troops is barely dipping his toe in the water. He's obviously afraid to make a decision or a commitment. But that's been his MO since day one in office. He'll study an issue almost to death and hope that it goes away. But instead, it usually gets worse... as in this case. He seems to be too arrogant to follow competent advice.
    Had he previously followed his military general's advice, both we and Iraq would not now be in this situation and thousands of dead civilians would be alive.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 19, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    Bush/Chenney send thousands of Americans to their death and conservatives cover their cars with bumper stickers and their lawns and lapels with flags. Obama sends 300 advisors and conservatives send him their ill repute.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 19, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    wrz, they didn't seize his stockpile, they occupied an old building that Saddam used to make chemical weapons. There apparently were some old non useable chemicals still there, but that's not news to anyone. Everybody knew he had had produced chemical weapons because he used them against the Kurds. Old sarin gas is not the mushroom cloud Condoleezza Rice warned about.

    So a simple question wrz. Is one building with old gas ( it was old in 2003) worth a trillion dollars and 5,000 American lives.

    Point is don't resurrect the wmd scenario over one old building with a little old non useable gas.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    @worf
    Canadians were going to send their oil wherever they will, regardless of whether it gets refined in British Columbia or the U.S.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 19, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    According the latest news reports, ISIS's Jihadists have seized Saddam's chemical weapons stockpile in Iraq. That's simply amazing... for three reasons: (1) all intelligence reports stated Saddam had WMD, (2) our military couldn't find them, and (3) the Democrats have been making political hay over Saddam's non-existent WMD for the last decade. Maybe the 300 advisers that Obama is sending can take another peek.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 19, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    So the latest on this is that we are sending some 300 "advisors" to Iraq to help train and defend against the Sunni militia threatening to take over Iraq. Anytime I hear the term advisors I'm reminded of how Vietnam got started.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    June 19, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    I agree with worf about the Canadian pipe line. However, since this is about the Iraqi situation, I can only see Obama trying to talk this one to death, while Putin is acting like a dominant leader. I hate Putin (always have) but Obama is really showing poor leadership in the world community.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 19, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    Too bad Obama didn't weigh the options with the Canadian oil pipeline.

    With the Iraq conflict, gas prices will probably skyrocket, and the Canadians will be sending their oil to China.