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Published: Thursday, June 19 2014 3:00 p.m. MDT

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worf
Mcallen, TX

Too bad Obama didn't weigh the options with the Canadian oil pipeline.

With the Iraq conflict, gas prices will probably skyrocket, and the Canadians will be sending their oil to China.

water rocket
Magna, UT

I agree with worf about the Canadian pipe line. However, since this is about the Iraqi situation, I can only see Obama trying to talk this one to death, while Putin is acting like a dominant leader. I hate Putin (always have) but Obama is really showing poor leadership in the world community.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

So the latest on this is that we are sending some 300 "advisors" to Iraq to help train and defend against the Sunni militia threatening to take over Iraq. Anytime I hear the term advisors I'm reminded of how Vietnam got started.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

According the latest news reports, ISIS's Jihadists have seized Saddam's chemical weapons stockpile in Iraq. That's simply amazing... for three reasons: (1) all intelligence reports stated Saddam had WMD, (2) our military couldn't find them, and (3) the Democrats have been making political hay over Saddam's non-existent WMD for the last decade. Maybe the 300 advisers that Obama is sending can take another peek.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@worf
Canadians were going to send their oil wherever they will, regardless of whether it gets refined in British Columbia or the U.S.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

wrz, they didn't seize his stockpile, they occupied an old building that Saddam used to make chemical weapons. There apparently were some old non useable chemicals still there, but that's not news to anyone. Everybody knew he had had produced chemical weapons because he used them against the Kurds. Old sarin gas is not the mushroom cloud Condoleezza Rice warned about.

So a simple question wrz. Is one building with old gas ( it was old in 2003) worth a trillion dollars and 5,000 American lives.

Point is don't resurrect the wmd scenario over one old building with a little old non useable gas.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Bush/Chenney send thousands of Americans to their death and conservatives cover their cars with bumper stickers and their lawns and lapels with flags. Obama sends 300 advisors and conservatives send him their ill repute.

Brio
Alpine, UT

@ Schnee:

You are incorrect. Canadians have preferred for a long time to send their oil to their best ally... the USA. However, since Obama refuses to sign off on the required pipeline for political reasons, they will be forced to sell it somewhere else... probably to China.
Obama's actions, such as this one, continue to appear to be self-serving. If he had the good of America in mind, that pipeline would've been mostly built by now and we wouldn't be so dependent on non-allies for part of our energy needs.

Back to the topic...
300 troops is barely dipping his toe in the water. He's obviously afraid to make a decision or a commitment. But that's been his MO since day one in office. He'll study an issue almost to death and hope that it goes away. But instead, it usually gets worse... as in this case. He seems to be too arrogant to follow competent advice.
Had he previously followed his military general's advice, both we and Iraq would not now be in this situation and thousands of dead civilians would be alive.

Brio
Alpine, UT

@ FT:

If you didn't have such a selective memory, you'd recall that both houses of Congress also voted to proceed with the Iraqi war and send troops. Even Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton voted in favor of it.

So to try to lay the blame of American lives on just Bush and Cheney is ridiculous and naive. Unless you're too young to remember the original 9/11, most of our entire country was united in our desire for retribution via the Iraqi war.

Making such claims against former President Bush at this point is partisan politics and definitely costs credibility to anyone making them.

Objectified
Richfield, UT

@ slcdenizen:

Unline you, Brio obviously reads the news and keeps up on international events. Canadian oil officials have publicly stated their preference for dealing with America many times. Get a clue.

Even though I'm an Independent, being a Tea-Partier who believes in following Constitutional law is many times more preferable to being a liberal who abuses them.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Brio
" Canadians have preferred for a long time to send their oil to their best ally... the USA. However, since Obama refuses to sign off on the required pipeline for political reasons, they will be forced to sell it somewhere else"

Obama blocking a pipeline doesn't stop Canada from selling it to the U.S. They can ship their refined oil in British Columbia wherever they want whether it's California, Tokyo, or Beijing.

Missouri loves BYU
Lebanon, MO

@ FT....

You have misunderstood. The American People have been sending Obama Ill repute for quite some time based on Obama's lack of leadership, bungled foreign relations and exploding debt. Now that Obama cannot continue to blame every issue on Bush the transparency in his administration shows that he isn't the leader he convinced people he would be.

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@Brio
"Unless you're too young to remember the original 9/11, most of our entire country was united in our desire for retribution via the Iraqi war. "

9/11 wasn't done by Iraq. That was the Afghanistan war.

The support for the Iraq war came from misrepresenting the intelligence we had on the matter of Saddam's capacity/supply of WMDs and connections to terrorism.

Brio
Alpine, UT

@ slcdenizen...

I'm a bit surprised that anyone could remain so naive regarding the Canadian oil pipeline situation in the U.S.. Had you bothered to keep informed, you'd know I'm only quoting commonly known information that the Canadians have spoken themselves many times.

If you actually believe anything was made up in the comment I made regarding it, then you truly need to start reading more to keep from further embarrassing yourself in these posts.

However, you are correct about Tea Party principles being "fine", in that they adhere to the original Constitution... as opposed to the "living document principle" of the Constitution that keeps changing to accommodate whatever the current issue is that liberals are dealing with, whenever their stance doesn't correlate to the Constitution, which has been quite often lately.

silo
Sandy, UT

"Unless you're too young to remember the original 9/11, most of our entire country was united in our desire for retribution via the Iraqi war."

@Brio

All well and good...except for the minor detail that Iraq had exactly nothing to do with 9/11. Making such claims in favor of former President Bush at this point is partisan politics and definitely costs credibility to anyone making them.

For reference:
"we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th" - George Bush 2003

"If you're talking specifically about the September 11th attacks, we never made that claim" - Scott McClellan (Bush WH spokesman)

"We have never claimed that Saddam Hussein had either direction or control of 9/11." - Condoleeza Rice

"On the question of whether or not Iraq was involved in 9/11, there was never any evidence to prove that" - Dick Cheney

Missouri loves BYU
Lebanon, MO

Also, what exactly is a "military advisor"? To me it sounds like a creative way of saying we are sending military staff without calling them troops because we don't want to call them troops since we said we would not send troops so if we call them advisors people will imagine they are wearing black dress shoes and not boots as we said we would not send people who wear boots.... Better make sure the advisors don't pack any boots...better yet, Obama will issue an executive order prohibiting the military advisors from packing any boots. But since boots are military issue and soldiers wear boots, they will rename the boots and call them something like "advisory traction enhancers" so that they can keep saying they did not put boots on the ground.... See, problem solved the Obama way...

Brio
Alpine, UT

@ Frozen Factals:

Iraq was also harboring terrorists and promoting the level of terrorism that led to 9/11. It wasn't just Afghanistan.

jsf
Centerville, UT

"the 300 would largely be Green Berets, deployed in teams embedded with Iraqi security forces." That's combat.

slcdenizen
Murray, UT

@Brio, Objectified

"they adhere to the original Constitution... "

"Even though I'm an Independent, being a Tea-Partier who believes in following Constitutional law"

Why are tea partiers so hesitant to identify themselves as such? Has it become the new gay? Just come out of the closet already and admit that you watch Fox News, prefer to identify unfamiliar topics as "liberal", are nearing retirement and project your self-loathing from not accomplishing your life goals onto welfare recipients, and have found relief from life's complexities by reading Vince Flynn and Brad Thor, imagining yourself as a heroic patriot that at times must torture terrorists for the good of America. There's no shame in being yourself. Be loud, be proud!

Concinnity
Richfield, UT

@ The intelligence regarding the WMD wasn't misrepresented. It was outright wrong. All of our intelligence agencies were united in their assessments about WMD being in Iraq. They got it wrong, not Bush. President Bush used those assessments which was considered the best intel available at that time. Democrats conveniently keeping forgetting those details when bringing up the origins of the Iraqi war.

Besides that, Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator and murderer that needed to be removed and tried for his crimes. He caused an imbalance in the Mid East with policies that were anti-American. Terrorism was harbored and protected in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Both needed to be dealt with. If Obama had had a better exist strategy, much more good would've resulted from our wars there. Announcing your country's exist strategy and exit times to your enemy was absolutely inexcusable for its ineptness. It's sad to read Obama apologists try to anyway.

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