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Published: Wednesday, June 18 2014 7:30 p.m. MDT

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techpubs
Sioux City, IA

This would not be a problem if after being reunited with family members in the US they were deported along with their family members.
The other solution would be to reunite them with family members in their native country and subtract the costs from the foreign aid sent to that country.
We need to prosecute and fine those who hire illegal aliens and repatriate all illegal aliens as soon as they are apprehended while subtracting the costs incurred from their natives country's foreign aid.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Sorry, kids. No sympathy here.

You should not have been allowed to cross the border at all. If you got across, you should have been herded back across again, immediately.

These kids are to be pitied, for they are pawns being used to infiltrate our country by taking advantage of the intolerable lack of enforcement of our immigration laws by the politicized Obama Justice Department and Homeland Security.

The fact that they are able to repeat the false statement "I am fleeing gang violence in my country" to win asylum changes nothing. It is a lie, and rather than rewarding lawbreakers, they must be punished, and returned home.

Millions of unregistered Democrat voters are not welcome when they come here this way, regardless of what Obama has been signalling. Legal immigrants are welcome, and millions come here that way, disproving the lie that it is too hard to follow the law.

Either we have the rule of law, or we do not. Having kids in crowded jails may horrify some, but the specter of the collapse of the rule of law is even more horrifying to every American.

Aggie238
Logan, UT

My, my, the Christian charity being manifest on this thread is staggering! Not. It's sure easy to say things like "Sorry, kids. No sympathy here." when it's not your child, isn't it?

That's not to say that our border security and immigration policy are not in dire need of a re-work, but these are kids, for crying out loud. It's not like a thinking person can actually hold them responsible for our problems with immigration or the violence and extreme poverty in their own country which forced them to flee in search of a better shot at life. But, I suppose, they will inevitably turn out to be evil Democrats, and therefore the old adage of "nits make lice" still holds true in some minds. I can't seem to remember where I have heard of that saying before...

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

stanfunky
Salt Lake City, UT

Aggie238, if their parents didn't drag them across an international border, they wouldn't be in this mess. Who endangers their children by doing such things? The parents are at fault, more than anyone, and the kids should return with the folks, not get a free pass to stay in our country. NO OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH allows this, most throw the kids in prisons far worse than this detention facility we are using!

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@DN Subscriber
" intolerable lack of enforcement of our immigration laws "

By the enforcement agents that one might note rounded up the kids mentioned in this article?

Loconic
Alpine, UT

First of all, they are stationed in former military barracks, not jail cells as some are saying.

It's not difficult to discern which commenters are Rule of Law conservatives and which are bleeding heart liberals.

Like DN Subscriber said, these youth are being used as pawns. However, that should not be grounds to give them all a free pass. Their whole idea is to be given a free pass, then send for their parents to join them afterwards. It continues on and on with illegals searching for any and every loophole to take advantage of America's overly generous and unsecured border system.

Almost all these youth are uneducated, unskilled and speak no English. So they will soon be on the welfare rolls at the expense of American taxpayers. We're already overly debt ridden.

There are over 2 billion youth in the world who live in impoverished conditions and who would love to live in the USA. But that doesn't mean we should or could take them all in. We simply can't.

Get word back to South America media that these youth's situation isn't ideal. Maybe that will slow the illegal alien flood.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Some will say that Obama and the Democrats do not want this. A case can be made, because this scandle on the border has pretty well written off any public yearning for immigration reform. At least if it does not address border security first. On the other hand, it would be very easy for the President to stop this influx of illegals. Merely call up the President of Mexico and lay down the law. Tell him that if he does not send his military to his northern border, we the U.S. will not be sending any visitors south of our southern border and we will do a border crackdown to ensure that any people trying to cross will be stopped and or immediately sent back. If Mexico will not cooperate with us, we will economically punish them by stopping any country to country bank transactions, and make it off limits to Americans like we do with Cuba. A few minutes of that would set the Mexicans mind right. Then they would have to enforce their borders and stop this tidal wave coming north.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

WHY NOT suspend all commercial flights leaving the U.S. and landing in Mexico until Mexico gets the message they can't dump their unwanted residents here?

American tourists are BIG business to Mexico. It might make them take action.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@Aggie238

" It's sure easy to say things like "Sorry, kids. No sympathy here." when it's not your child, isn't it?"

Yes it is, especially because I'm not the kind of parent who would ask my kid to do something so highly illegal as violating another country's sovereignty as described by international law. Maybe you need to get off the computer and ask these kids' parents what they were thinking when they forced their children to do something so illegal and dangerous.

Copacetic
Logan, UT

@ Aggie238...

The kids and their parents are counting on sympathy just like yours to allow them to cut in line ahead of all those people who are currently going through the time-consuming legal system of immigrating.

Once these kids get their sympathy break, that is supposed to open the door for their relatives to eventually follow them... another unintended and misused hole in our system. These illegal aliens understand our immigration system and it's weaknesses better than most Americans do.

There is also a sizable number of pregnant women in this group who are counting on having their babies in the U.S.. Then their kids will automatically be citizens per the misused anchor baby law. Those citizen children create a means for their parents to stay here... supposedly legally.

The South American media and churches are spreading the news that now is the time to come to the USA, since once you get a foot on American soil, you won't be sent back as a minor. Then relatives can then be sent for in order to "keep families together". They know we won't make that happen in their native lands. It's like magic.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

We could solve immigration very simply. By doing what the feds are best at. Regulating and Taxing. Give these illegals soo many regulations that their mother country sounds like heaven, and then tax them. Tax them on their income, give them a transaction fee by percentage on the money wired home. If nothing else, we'll have more money:)

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

And I should have added that the first and easiest thing Obama could do is put out a public announcement to the world that the idea that one can come to America for nothing is not true, and that any people coming here should not expect to get entrance or be allowed to stay. After all it was his statements and policies that have led many in these countries to come here in the first place. So, I guess the truth is, Obama wants this to be happening, otherwise he could stop it with a word, since he started it with one.

Lambent
Logan, UT

@ Liberal Ted:

Though they sound good, your ideas won't work for a couple of reasons. The first is that many of those coming illegally don't have any income. They just come here to live with relatives and take advantage of all of our freebies which don't depend on being legal citizens.

Secondly, those who do work often work for cash under the table, meaning that it then goes as unreported income. That way, they don't have to pay taxes and they also remain eligible for additional freebies.

Another issue is that many still live in the shadows, which means they aren't kept track of and so they aren't subject to the regulations you're suggesting.

Otherwise, your ideas would have some merit.

Aggie238
Logan, UT

Again, I'm not saying that the immigration system does not need to be completely re-worked. In fact, it's probably the whole reason that some of these kids came here in this manner, and that needs to change. What I am saying is that some of the posters on here had better hope that karma isn't a real thing. As illegal and dangerous as this practice may be, it's still better than the alternative for many of these children, so you can't seriously blame them or their parents.

I'd propose opening immigration to as many people as can demonstrate that they don't have any major criminal history and are willing to contribute. Who cares if they don't speak English? Increasing our population is a great thing for the economy. There's absolutely no need to make it an expensive, multi-year process for people to get here. That's OUR problem, and as long as it continues to be our problem, then we are going to have this kind of situation, and we can hardly blame the people who want to come here for doing so in whatever way they can manage.

RRB
SLC, UT

The dishonesty over lack of immigration enforcement is out of hand. What's going to happen to the hundreds of thousands of children sent here by themselves? The article calls them immigrants, but they are not. An immigrant comes here legally. Surely they are not planning on giving them amnesty, and triggering another wave?

The deferred adult program is nothing but a back door for the family, just like the parents sending their children here, on the hope they can sponsor their parents in the future.

Those wanting amnesty, even if it's just staying here and working are responsible here. They have encouraged the law breaking by rewarding them for their actions. And this is the result of their actions, more people dying in the desert, more separated families.

The plaque on Ellis Island welcomed legal immigrants. Amnesty begets amnesty, more pain and suffering will follow if we don't put our foot down on those hiring people here illegally. They should pay all deportation costs.

prelax
Murray, UT

We can't let them stay here, that would be separating families. The only way to stop this from continuing is to return them.

Obama's waivers show us how letting people stay and work is not a solution, it just adds to the problem.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

We shouldn't fear having much larger immigration quotas in the first place. They come because our economy needs them. During the recession beginning in 2008 we actually had more foreign residents returning home than coming here. It's supply and demand. True economic free-trade conservatives should understand that.

There's no flood to fear. And when they do come, they DO pay taxes, they DO bring lower crime rates to their new neighborhoods, they DO use fewer government services than citizens do, they DO want to learn English. and they improve the economy wherever they move--including a rise in wages for almost every category of worker.

They are a treasure. Let's make it possible for more of them to come legally with their parents

prelax
Murray, UT

@John C. C.

In 2008 we had 20% of our population looking for full time work, we still have 12% (u-6). There is a surplus of labor that has drove our low and middle income down.

It's not free trade when business commits felonies by hiring people here illegally, replacing Americans with cheap illegal foreign labor in the service, construction and hospitality markets. It's dishonest, always has been, always will.

The do pay taxes, but get it all back and more on earned income credit. 4.2 billion to be exact. They use $3 in services for every dollar they contribute. The American taxpayer is subsidizing cheap illegal labor for business.

With 12 million people here illegally, and parents sending their children here along for Obamas waivers, we need enforcement. Not another immigration reform promise, that gives amnesty, including allowing people to stay, with enforcement provisions that are never enforced.

Who's to blame for these children? I think we know it's the pro-illegal people that are trying to con the American public, using little children. Shame on them.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

Send them back.

Put them on a plane such as Air Force One and send them back to the country of origin and let those countries feed, diaper, and tend them. It would cost far less to send them back than to keep them here. And it would stop the influx once the word got out that all they got for their troubles was a ride on a plane..

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

Aggie238:
"My, my, the Christian charity being manifest on this thread is staggering! Not. It's sure easy to say things like 'Sorry, kids. No sympathy here.' when it's not your child, isn't it?"

So, who is it that puts these kids in the hands of coyotes that brings them to our borders. It's the kids' parents, that's who. There's the people with no sympathy.

"It's not like a thinking person can actually hold them responsible for our problems with immigration or the violence and extreme poverty in their own country..."

Violence and extreme poverty in their country of origin is mostly a myth. And what about the extreme poverty in this country? We don't have the money to feed and house the hundreds of thousands of illegals (mostly children) that are coming here. We are in debt to the tune of $17+ trillion. I'd bet that the countries sending their kids here to be fed and housed have far less national debt than we do.

"Give me your tired, your poor..."

Those words were penned by the French. Perhaps the French would like to take them.

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