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Thousands of immigrant children entering US illegally held in crowded, concrete cells

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  • RichardB Murray, UT
    June 19, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    In 1986 Churches never complained that laws were not being enforced. What's their position now on children being sent here alone? We reap what we sow.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 19, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic

    Of course they are being used as pawns.

    Vice President Biden went to the Central and South American countries to tell their government and the people that Obama's waivers are not for new arrivals.

    You can't blame it on fear, it's the promise of amnesty that draws them here. Their parents should lose custody of the children, and they should be given to relatives in their own country.
    This should be paid for by business that hire and lure people here illegally.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 19, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    Wow all these I hate children or those kind of children comments by people who couldn't be bothered to actually read the article.

    "more than 47,000 unaccompanied children who have entered the country illegally"

    "Unaccompanied" being the key word here, these children weren't forced or used as pawns, they mostly came from central american countries, after walking across all of mexico, by themselves, to flee countries we've messed up with secret wars and manipulation for big business.

    But yeah children fleeing their countries on their own because of fear should be shown what real fear is by real American's like the above, perhaps you could volunteer to go beat some sense into those little scoff laws.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    June 19, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    Now how in the world did this problem get started?
    Maybe because Obama has been creating law out of thin air with the DREAMers.
    When you hang up a sign that reads, "Kids Eat Free," you can expect kids to show up.
    Shame on you politicians for playing with the lives of children for political gain!

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 19, 2014 6:41 a.m.

    John C. C.

    I wonder if you realize that a good portion of the illegal drugs, heroin, cocain, meth, ect. that are in this country, come from our southern border? As long as people can get in, so can the drugs. Drugs that I'm sure every parent in the country hope their children won't be turned on to in school. Not just high school, but junion high and even in elementary schools. That is no "treasure" coming in from the south. That is destruction. Every bit as much as 911 was. It destroys lives.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 19, 2014 6:36 a.m.

    We should fly them to the capital city of each home country and leave them at the airport.
    Let the sending nations deal with the mess.
    Our failure to enforce existing laws has created a real problem this time, eh?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:03 p.m.

    There is no law enforcement in this country.

    When you advertise for cheap illegal labor through the promise of amnesty, including staying here as a worker, this is what you get. Reward the law breakers, punish the honest, and you'll destroy this country.

  • QuisnosRepublic Stites , ID
    June 18, 2014 10:25 p.m.

    We argue about children entering the US illegally when Illegal wars are being fought, Presidents use EO's to take freedoms away, Government agencies promote agenda 21, Police becoming enforcers not protectors, Rights now are only given by governmental policy. Illegals are meant to do 3 things vote for democrats, to be placed on welfare rolls as the true unemployment figure in this nation is over 20%, and last but not least to place into this country the very terrorist element that we the people stay away from. Now you have superior control by this tyranny.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 18, 2014 9:24 p.m.

    John C. C.:
    "They come because our economy needs them."

    Our economy doesn't need them. We have millions of unemployed Americans drawing billions in unemployment benefits... payments we can little afford.

    "There's no flood to fear."

    Twelve Million illegals here and children by the thousands coming. I'd call that more than a flood.

    "And when they do come, they DO pay taxes..."

    They don't make enough wages to pay income taxes.

    "...they DO bring lower crime rates to their new neighborhoods..."

    True. Three-year-olds rarely commit crimes.

    "...they DO use fewer government services than citizens do..."

    These kids need food, housing, diaper changing, etc. How is that using less government services?

    "...they DO want to learn English."

    They insist on Spanish TV. Comcast now has 12 channels in Spanish. More to come.

    "...and they improve the economy wherever they move--including a rise in wages for almost every category of worker."

    What they bring is lower wages, with the influx of millions into our labor pool. Of course, Obama has a plan to correct this... require higher minimum wages... which of course will negatively impact our economy.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:02 p.m.

    Finally, DN is covering this story which has been all over FOX networks for weeks.

    This influx of illegals must stop. The present administration is flooding the system with crisis after crisis. Has anyone noticed?

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 18, 2014 8:52 p.m.

    Aggie238:
    "My, my, the Christian charity being manifest on this thread is staggering! Not. It's sure easy to say things like 'Sorry, kids. No sympathy here.' when it's not your child, isn't it?"

    So, who is it that puts these kids in the hands of coyotes that brings them to our borders. It's the kids' parents, that's who. There's the people with no sympathy.

    "It's not like a thinking person can actually hold them responsible for our problems with immigration or the violence and extreme poverty in their own country..."

    Violence and extreme poverty in their country of origin is mostly a myth. And what about the extreme poverty in this country? We don't have the money to feed and house the hundreds of thousands of illegals (mostly children) that are coming here. We are in debt to the tune of $17+ trillion. I'd bet that the countries sending their kids here to be fed and housed have far less national debt than we do.

    "Give me your tired, your poor..."

    Those words were penned by the French. Perhaps the French would like to take them.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 18, 2014 8:35 p.m.

    Send them back.

    Put them on a plane such as Air Force One and send them back to the country of origin and let those countries feed, diaper, and tend them. It would cost far less to send them back than to keep them here. And it would stop the influx once the word got out that all they got for their troubles was a ride on a plane..

  • prelax Murray, UT
    June 18, 2014 6:48 p.m.

    @John C. C.

    In 2008 we had 20% of our population looking for full time work, we still have 12% (u-6). There is a surplus of labor that has drove our low and middle income down.

    It's not free trade when business commits felonies by hiring people here illegally, replacing Americans with cheap illegal foreign labor in the service, construction and hospitality markets. It's dishonest, always has been, always will.

    The do pay taxes, but get it all back and more on earned income credit. 4.2 billion to be exact. They use $3 in services for every dollar they contribute. The American taxpayer is subsidizing cheap illegal labor for business.

    With 12 million people here illegally, and parents sending their children here along for Obamas waivers, we need enforcement. Not another immigration reform promise, that gives amnesty, including allowing people to stay, with enforcement provisions that are never enforced.

    Who's to blame for these children? I think we know it's the pro-illegal people that are trying to con the American public, using little children. Shame on them.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    June 18, 2014 5:54 p.m.

    We shouldn't fear having much larger immigration quotas in the first place. They come because our economy needs them. During the recession beginning in 2008 we actually had more foreign residents returning home than coming here. It's supply and demand. True economic free-trade conservatives should understand that.

    There's no flood to fear. And when they do come, they DO pay taxes, they DO bring lower crime rates to their new neighborhoods, they DO use fewer government services than citizens do, they DO want to learn English. and they improve the economy wherever they move--including a rise in wages for almost every category of worker.

    They are a treasure. Let's make it possible for more of them to come legally with their parents

  • prelax Murray, UT
    June 18, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    We can't let them stay here, that would be separating families. The only way to stop this from continuing is to return them.

    Obama's waivers show us how letting people stay and work is not a solution, it just adds to the problem.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    June 18, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    The dishonesty over lack of immigration enforcement is out of hand. What's going to happen to the hundreds of thousands of children sent here by themselves? The article calls them immigrants, but they are not. An immigrant comes here legally. Surely they are not planning on giving them amnesty, and triggering another wave?

    The deferred adult program is nothing but a back door for the family, just like the parents sending their children here, on the hope they can sponsor their parents in the future.

    Those wanting amnesty, even if it's just staying here and working are responsible here. They have encouraged the law breaking by rewarding them for their actions. And this is the result of their actions, more people dying in the desert, more separated families.

    The plaque on Ellis Island welcomed legal immigrants. Amnesty begets amnesty, more pain and suffering will follow if we don't put our foot down on those hiring people here illegally. They should pay all deportation costs.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    June 18, 2014 3:56 p.m.

    Again, I'm not saying that the immigration system does not need to be completely re-worked. In fact, it's probably the whole reason that some of these kids came here in this manner, and that needs to change. What I am saying is that some of the posters on here had better hope that karma isn't a real thing. As illegal and dangerous as this practice may be, it's still better than the alternative for many of these children, so you can't seriously blame them or their parents.

    I'd propose opening immigration to as many people as can demonstrate that they don't have any major criminal history and are willing to contribute. Who cares if they don't speak English? Increasing our population is a great thing for the economy. There's absolutely no need to make it an expensive, multi-year process for people to get here. That's OUR problem, and as long as it continues to be our problem, then we are going to have this kind of situation, and we can hardly blame the people who want to come here for doing so in whatever way they can manage.

  • Lambent Logan, UT
    June 18, 2014 3:49 p.m.

    @ Liberal Ted:

    Though they sound good, your ideas won't work for a couple of reasons. The first is that many of those coming illegally don't have any income. They just come here to live with relatives and take advantage of all of our freebies which don't depend on being legal citizens.

    Secondly, those who do work often work for cash under the table, meaning that it then goes as unreported income. That way, they don't have to pay taxes and they also remain eligible for additional freebies.

    Another issue is that many still live in the shadows, which means they aren't kept track of and so they aren't subject to the regulations you're suggesting.

    Otherwise, your ideas would have some merit.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    And I should have added that the first and easiest thing Obama could do is put out a public announcement to the world that the idea that one can come to America for nothing is not true, and that any people coming here should not expect to get entrance or be allowed to stay. After all it was his statements and policies that have led many in these countries to come here in the first place. So, I guess the truth is, Obama wants this to be happening, otherwise he could stop it with a word, since he started it with one.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    We could solve immigration very simply. By doing what the feds are best at. Regulating and Taxing. Give these illegals soo many regulations that their mother country sounds like heaven, and then tax them. Tax them on their income, give them a transaction fee by percentage on the money wired home. If nothing else, we'll have more money:)

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    @ Aggie238...

    The kids and their parents are counting on sympathy just like yours to allow them to cut in line ahead of all those people who are currently going through the time-consuming legal system of immigrating.

    Once these kids get their sympathy break, that is supposed to open the door for their relatives to eventually follow them... another unintended and misused hole in our system. These illegal aliens understand our immigration system and it's weaknesses better than most Americans do.

    There is also a sizable number of pregnant women in this group who are counting on having their babies in the U.S.. Then their kids will automatically be citizens per the misused anchor baby law. Those citizen children create a means for their parents to stay here... supposedly legally.

    The South American media and churches are spreading the news that now is the time to come to the USA, since once you get a foot on American soil, you won't be sent back as a minor. Then relatives can then be sent for in order to "keep families together". They know we won't make that happen in their native lands. It's like magic.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 18, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    @Aggie238

    " It's sure easy to say things like "Sorry, kids. No sympathy here." when it's not your child, isn't it?"

    Yes it is, especially because I'm not the kind of parent who would ask my kid to do something so highly illegal as violating another country's sovereignty as described by international law. Maybe you need to get off the computer and ask these kids' parents what they were thinking when they forced their children to do something so illegal and dangerous.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    WHY NOT suspend all commercial flights leaving the U.S. and landing in Mexico until Mexico gets the message they can't dump their unwanted residents here?

    American tourists are BIG business to Mexico. It might make them take action.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    Some will say that Obama and the Democrats do not want this. A case can be made, because this scandle on the border has pretty well written off any public yearning for immigration reform. At least if it does not address border security first. On the other hand, it would be very easy for the President to stop this influx of illegals. Merely call up the President of Mexico and lay down the law. Tell him that if he does not send his military to his northern border, we the U.S. will not be sending any visitors south of our southern border and we will do a border crackdown to ensure that any people trying to cross will be stopped and or immediately sent back. If Mexico will not cooperate with us, we will economically punish them by stopping any country to country bank transactions, and make it off limits to Americans like we do with Cuba. A few minutes of that would set the Mexicans mind right. Then they would have to enforce their borders and stop this tidal wave coming north.

  • Loconic Alpine, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    First of all, they are stationed in former military barracks, not jail cells as some are saying.

    It's not difficult to discern which commenters are Rule of Law conservatives and which are bleeding heart liberals.

    Like DN Subscriber said, these youth are being used as pawns. However, that should not be grounds to give them all a free pass. Their whole idea is to be given a free pass, then send for their parents to join them afterwards. It continues on and on with illegals searching for any and every loophole to take advantage of America's overly generous and unsecured border system.

    Almost all these youth are uneducated, unskilled and speak no English. So they will soon be on the welfare rolls at the expense of American taxpayers. We're already overly debt ridden.

    There are over 2 billion youth in the world who live in impoverished conditions and who would love to live in the USA. But that doesn't mean we should or could take them all in. We simply can't.

    Get word back to South America media that these youth's situation isn't ideal. Maybe that will slow the illegal alien flood.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber
    " intolerable lack of enforcement of our immigration laws "

    By the enforcement agents that one might note rounded up the kids mentioned in this article?

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    Aggie238, if their parents didn't drag them across an international border, they wouldn't be in this mess. Who endangers their children by doing such things? The parents are at fault, more than anyone, and the kids should return with the folks, not get a free pass to stay in our country. NO OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH allows this, most throw the kids in prisons far worse than this detention facility we are using!

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    June 18, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    My, my, the Christian charity being manifest on this thread is staggering! Not. It's sure easy to say things like "Sorry, kids. No sympathy here." when it's not your child, isn't it?

    That's not to say that our border security and immigration policy are not in dire need of a re-work, but these are kids, for crying out loud. It's not like a thinking person can actually hold them responsible for our problems with immigration or the violence and extreme poverty in their own country which forced them to flee in search of a better shot at life. But, I suppose, they will inevitably turn out to be evil Democrats, and therefore the old adage of "nits make lice" still holds true in some minds. I can't seem to remember where I have heard of that saying before...

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    Sorry, kids. No sympathy here.

    You should not have been allowed to cross the border at all. If you got across, you should have been herded back across again, immediately.

    These kids are to be pitied, for they are pawns being used to infiltrate our country by taking advantage of the intolerable lack of enforcement of our immigration laws by the politicized Obama Justice Department and Homeland Security.

    The fact that they are able to repeat the false statement "I am fleeing gang violence in my country" to win asylum changes nothing. It is a lie, and rather than rewarding lawbreakers, they must be punished, and returned home.

    Millions of unregistered Democrat voters are not welcome when they come here this way, regardless of what Obama has been signalling. Legal immigrants are welcome, and millions come here that way, disproving the lie that it is too hard to follow the law.

    Either we have the rule of law, or we do not. Having kids in crowded jails may horrify some, but the specter of the collapse of the rule of law is even more horrifying to every American.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    June 18, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    This would not be a problem if after being reunited with family members in the US they were deported along with their family members.
    The other solution would be to reunite them with family members in their native country and subtract the costs from the foreign aid sent to that country.
    We need to prosecute and fine those who hire illegal aliens and repatriate all illegal aliens as soon as they are apprehended while subtracting the costs incurred from their natives country's foreign aid.