@Gary O...Right on! Your posts are dead on daily. Can you hear the crickets in
SLC all the way from Virginia Beach?
So, let me get this straight....- If George Bush uses military force
to kill Iraqi insurgents, it's bad.- But if Obama uses military
force to kill Iraqi insurgents, it's good.Does.Not.Compute.
"Obama says he is weighing options for countering insurgency in Iraq"Is he doing this over the golf game that he is playing in California
ordinaryfolks:"Send in George Bush, Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld. They
single handed made this mess, and they ought to single handedly clean it
up."The mess is bigger than Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld put
together. It's even bigger if you throw in Obama, Biden, Kerry, and
Hillary.The Muslim jihadists aim to take over the world following
instructions from their leader Muhammad and as found in their holy writ, the
Koran. They won't stop until they do... or they are all killed. It may
help you to read up on Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler. And perhaps even
Alexander the Great.And how long have they been at it? Fourteen
hundred years. And how long will they be at it? As long as they keep teaching
their kids in their madrasahs and mosques to hate and kill in the name of
Allah.The guys that flew our plane into the Twin Towers weren't
just trying to have some fun. They were carrying out the Islamist war against
the infidels.... that would be you and me and the rest of the non Muslim world.
patriot:"The REAL solution to this mess....is to exit the region
properly and at the same time make America energy independent where we
don't need middle east oil anymore."You seen to not
understand the aims and goals of the Muslim jihadists... to conquer not only the
mid-east but eventually the entire world. Think of Adolf Hitler to get a
clearer picture."If these new bad guys keep expanding and decide
to hold America hostage by grabbing the oil fields we are HOSED as a
nation..."Absolutely correct! Our now shaky economy will
immediately collapse. We're almost there now."History will
judge Mr Obama very harshly for this."What we need is Hillary in
the White House who will tell us 'what difference does it make?'GaryO:"Seriously though, I think we should let this thing take
its course, and see where it goes."Anyone can see that the Islam
terrorists will eventually take back Iraq, Afghanistan and all the regions round
about. That's their aim. We've known that for the last decade since
Hey High School Fan -You are wrong all points.The last
one especially."Obama is by fear the champion of taxpayer funded
vacations, nobody is even a distant second on this one."Wrong
again. GW Bush spent far more time on vacation than Obama has. Check
Politifact.And that matches GW's ideology. He figured a
do-nothing government was the best option . . . and so he did nothing . . .
Except when he was busily ruining the nation.I kind of wish he would
have done nothing more often.
GaryO:"... vote instead for Democrats with good sense."There ain't no such thing.Jack:"They kill everyone
who isn't with them."Sounds like Ginghis Khan back in the
day when he and his golden hordes set out to conquer the world. They
slaughtered most of the inhabitants in each city they attacked."We, the US and likely the free world will then be faced with the task of
fighting them on such a large scale as to pale our worst nightmares."The war against Islamic terrorism is not over and never will be til the
last of them are dead. It was foolish for Bush and Obama to even think about
pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan.And, what about the Iraqi army
that we supposedly faithfully trained over the years? What happened to them?
My guess is that they ripped of their Iraqi uniforms and joined with their
brothers, the ISIS hordes.Anti Bush-Obama:"The best option
is to stay out of there all together. Pull out of the middle east
please."Good idea. And let Muslim jihadists control a
significant part of the world's oil supply in Iraq.
Why is Obama so hesitant to help? If Baghdad falls to the jihadists, oil prices
will soar outta sight... And as a result our economy, which is weak anyway, will
Weighing options?? How about clueless!
Why is obama's lack of action a republican problem? Everything that
happens is a surprise to the Obama White House and I guess that is Bush's
fault. Take any issue and Obama is not prepared for it, how is that possible
for a president when they have so much staff briefing them daily.President
Obama is a lousy president just for the fact that he takes no stand and he is
prepared for nothing but this you can be assured of, Gary O will somehow blame
this on talk radio or Bush and Cheney or the right wing. There is no way this
is his guy's fault.Why let a decision get in the way of a good golf
game when it can wait till later. This much is clear, Obama is by fear the
champion of taxpayer funded vacations, nobody is even a distant second on this
So we have plenty of money for wars but we do not have any money for anything
domestic? Conservatives are not real conservatives if they want war, just ask
It's just a matter of time.Without any action from our country,
the world will eventually lose its freedoms. Including us.A
seventeen trillion dollar debt is just one reason we have weakened.Once the mid-east is under dictatorship, Europe will be next, then eventually
our country.We must change leadership before it's too late.
@ ordinaryfolks - seattle, WA - "Send in George Bush, Dick Cheney and
Rumsfeld. They single handed made this mess, and they ought to single handedly
clean it up."Wrong.It was your friend and champion
Obama who decided to stop the SOFA (Status Of Forces Agreement) negotiations
between the United States and Iraq 2 1/2 months early (mid-October 2011 versus
December 31st 2011) and pull the plug on America's presence waaaaaay
earlier than George Bush planned. As soon as Obama did that in the Fall of 2011
I knew that the citizens of Iraq were going to be decimated by terrorists before
too long. Why? Simply because the Iraqi military was still way to weak to
defend themselves. But you can go ahead and Blame bush if is you
want to. Hasn't stopped you from doing it before....
Iraq was supposed to only take 6 months and be paid for by Iraq and their oil.
Anything after that is still the blunder of Bush and friends. That
He thought it over...and decided to do nothing. Kinda like what's happening
along our borders. But he has his administration, the Dept of Homeland Security,
the Justice Dept, the Dept of Agriculture, the IRS, etc. focused on us. And
he's armed and ready. Why do I get the sense of impending
Hey "Patriot"" We have the oil and the technology but we
lack the leadership in the White House to do it"WRONG Again.Domestic oil and gas production has grown by leaps and bounds since
Obama took over.Yes, we need to focus on energy self-sufficiency,
and most of that focus should be on RENEWABLE energy sources.Wind,
Solar, tides, . . WHATEVER WORKS.. . .Because non-renewable sources
will eventually run out. That's why they are called non-renewable.And why can't we focus on renewable energy sources even though the White
House thinks its urgent that we do?It's because of
Obstructionist Republicans in Congress, who feel obliged to keep their
extremist, reactionary, backward-looking constituents happy.The
answer is to vote out regressive Right Wingers and vote instead for Democrats
with good sense.It's that simple.
@Craig,We aren't putting money into a policy, we are looking at
probably the most radical terrorist group we have ever seen, and that's
pretty bad. They are indiscriminate, they have taken Shia cities, Sunni cities,
Mosul is up near the Kurds, they don't care. They kill everyone who
isn't with them. They want their own state, wiping out current borders of
Iraq, Syria, Iran, possibly Turkey to get it. If they are successful, and so
far they have been, they will be worse than Nazi Germany in their appetite for
more conquests. We, the US and likely the free world will then be faced with
the task of fighting them on such a large scale as to pale our worst
nightmares.I was in Tikrit, Kirkuk, Balad, Samarra and all the
region surrounding them. I mourn for what is lost after all we did to liberate
them from Saddam and his psycho sons. We left, and a vacuum sucked these
terrorists into the void. Bad, bad planning. Bad, bad foreign policy. Bad
consequences to come.
ordinaryfolks"Send in George Bush, Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld.
They single handed made this mess, and they ought to single handedly clean it
up.Oh, I forgot. These guys never really served in the real army.
Maybe they need some help. Send over Limbaugh, Beck, and those other chicken
hawks on Fox and right wing radio. Bet their military training and expertise
ought to fix Iraq. Again, I don't think many of them have served."And Obama has served in the military? I must've forgot that. All
this time I thought he was a chickenhawk just like the rest of those neocons.
Lets re-institute the draft and then we will have plenty of young soldiers to
keep the rebels at bay not only in Iraq but everywhere else in the world too.
The best option is to stay out of there all together. Pull out of the middle
east please. But I'm begging a madman, which is a waste of time.
re:Craig ClarkWell for starters you don't announce in advance
when you are leaving (as Barack did). Second you don't pull the plug on
everything - you leave behind some small American presence with at least the
threat of lethal air strikes if the bad guys decide to overwhelm the new
leadership ...as they are right now. Everything with Barack is political and
this sort of thing can't be political - it must be strategic and well
thought through otherwise you end up with the worst of all senerios ...that we
have right now. The REAL solution to this mess....is to exit the
region properly and at the same time make America energy independent where we
don't need middle east oil anymore. We have the oil and the technology but
we lack the leadership in the White House to do it. If these new bad guys keep
expanding and decide to hold America hostage by grabbing the oil fields we are
HOSED as a nation and we can blame the man in the White House for the entire
mess. History will judge Mr Obama very harhly for this.
Hey Liberal Ted -"So we fight now or later."Go
for it Ted! And please don't ignore the suggestions of ordinary folks.
Take Limbaugh, Hannity, and a few million other "Conservatives" with
you.Maybe you won't even have to fight. Just settle in and
obstruct all progress there just like you do here. That'll teach 'em
to mess with America.Seriously though, I think we should let this
thing take its course, and see where it goes. GW Bush screwed the whole Middle
East up by taking power away from Sunni's in Iraq and giving it to the
Shiites, constructing a government controlled by a Shiite minority to control
the Sunni Majority . . . That simultaneously empowers Shiite Iran at the same
time, at our expense.A Sunni takeover of Iraq could change that.
And maybe we could erase some of the horrendous damage the GW Bush
administration did over there.Sunni power in Iraq might keep the
Shiites in Iran in check . . . kind of like Saddam did. We need to
undo GW's "Conservative" mistakes one way or another. Let's
let the Sunnis help.
patriot,I haven’t suggested we cut and run. I just pose the
question of how much more should we put into a policy that’s not working
regardless of who you blame for it.
re:Craig ClarkYou make the point of 12 years of blood and tressure
paid by our America soldiers. It is because of the 12 years of blood and
tressure that we do NOT just cut and run out of the region. Those who fought and
died deserve to see something good come from their sacrifice but instead we now
see THE most extreme and dangerous Islamic terror group ever taking over the
country creating a nightmare situation. There is a right way to exit a war and
then there is the Obama way....which always ends in disaster.
Weighing options – that’s BO speak for “I have no clue what to
do!”“Obama suggested it could take several days before
the administration finalizes its response to the situation on the ground in
Iraq.”No, more likely several years, or at least until after
If after twelve years of U.S. military involvement, training, and financial
assistance, the Iraqi government still cannot stand on its own, then our Iraq
policy has failed. How much more should we put into what has turned out to be a
talk about a ship without a captain....America is leaderless. We dump our
equipment then cut and run out of Iraq and we think there will be no
consequences. Geez - whether or not it was right to go into Iraq or not is
pointless - the real question is how do you exit the place so the sacrifice that
was paid in blood and tressure actually created something better. Iraq reminds
me of Vietnam and seeing the North overrunning the South as we dump our
helicopters into the sea and leave the remaining people to the mercy of the
Khmer Rouge and the killing fields. The same thing is happening in Iraq simply
because we decided to ignore our generals and instead listen to a community
organizer. When we exited Europe and Japan after WWII we did so in a thoughtful
- stategic way that would ensure stability in the region. Had we just packed up
and left the Russians would have slaughtered the bulk of the German people and
the Europe of today wouldn't exist. There is a way to exit a war and a way
NOT to. We are doing the latter because we have no leader.
I don't know about everyone else. But, I'm not addicted to oil. With
that said.We need to realize what these terrorists groups are about.
They believe in the Caliphate. They believe in a territory for Islam be
established there, and from there they will crush all non-Islamic people, thus
converting the world. They are bent on this idea. They have zero interest in
negotiations, they don't care if we fight them or sit back. Eventually they
will come for us.So we fight now or later.
Send in George Bush, Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld. They single handed made this
mess, and they ought to single handedly clean it up.Oh, I forgot.
These guys never really served in the real army. Maybe they need some help.
Send over Limbaugh, Beck, and those other chicken hawks on Fox and right wing
radio. Bet their military training and expertise ought to fix Iraq. Again, I
don't think many of them have served.This country is a
disaster, along with most of the rest of the Islamic Middle East. We should
never have gotten sucked into this part of the world. We should have weaned
ourselves of our petroleum addiction in the late 70's when we had the
chance. Oh, that's right. Reagan got us back, addicted to oil. We just
can not get over the energy addiction.
we should never waiste another of my brothers and sisters in a useless war that
i and many like me said wht the out come would be just by knowing history. we
new what would happen. the only country that should stop it is iran. they have
the army and they have the reason. shia vs sunni. oil is and was the main reason
we went to iraq. you can tell this by the lack of help for afirican countires
that could have used our help. but they are poor and have nothing for the rich
I am jealous of Rush Limbaugh. He is sure. (And I don't even know what
his position is.)Why are the insurgents in Syria good because they
are against our interests (Syria, Iran and Hezbollah), but when the insurgents
go into Iraq that they are bad? So, if we bomb them, will we hold joint air
force exercises with Iran who are also helping the Iraqi government. We can
team up with Iran's Revolutionary Guard. They will be in the ground and
they can call on us and we'll drop bombs where their fighters tell us.But if a fighter crosses into Syria with an Iranian following behind
him, we'll bomb the Iranian because he's the bad guy. so we can save
the good guy.Obama is right (and yes he is arrogant), "We
can't do it for them." Maliki has been oppressing the Sunnis, dropping
barrel bombs on them, and now there is a revolution. Perhaps Maliki should have
been reading Che Guevara.Winnings hearts and minds.
So basically the President is putting his head in the sand and hoping for the
best. Can't we at least send in some drones and blow up some of these
guys? Maybe that would stop them for a while. Otherwise the headline of
"Worlds Wealthest Terrorists" will become a reality. If they actually
do take power in Iraq, they become major players in the world of OPEC and oil.
That will give them a lot of leveredge. As it is they already have taken some
500 billion in cash. I wonder if Iran will let this continue.
So, is the President surprised to see this happen?
The only other option to sending in troops is to give air-support... something
the USA could do relatively quickly and without risking many American lives. Our
Air Force strength is unequaled anywhere in the world. Quelling this
insurgency would help alleviate the feeling that America gave 4,500 lives,
32,000 injured soldiers and almost a trillion American taxpayer-funded dollars
in support of Iraq for nothing.Whether going into Iraq in the first
place was a good idea or not is no longer relevant. What's done is done. We
now need to make the best of the situation as it now is. These
extremist groups have made it no secret that they would love to destroy
America... the great Satan in their minds. To allow them to grow and get
stronger while acquiring a big base of operation (supported by huge oil
revenues) would certainly not be in our best national interest.Hopefully, Obama will make a wise decision this time.
Them?Won't this effect the world?