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Published: Saturday, June 7 2014 3:55 p.m. MDT

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ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

Judge Crabb: " this case is about liberty and equality, the two cornerstones of the rights protected by the United States Constitution" To those against same sex marriage:

This is the cornerstone argument of the rulings in the many cases brought successfully by same sex couples before Federal District Court judges to ask for the overturn of laws prohibiting their legal marriage.

If you truly believe in liberty and equality, you leave your religion at the door step of non-sectarian government walls. However, if you wish sectarian government, then there are a variety of countries in Africa and Asia that provide us with models for this form of government. May I suggest that those models would not suit you.

The world is evolving (and I know many sectarians don't believe in evolution, but it remains a fact). However, those who don't cope with modern world knowledge will fall into the pits of ignorance and irrelevance.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Congrats to all the newly weds!

koseighty
The Shire, UT

Funny how *every* judge in the country seems to be an activist judge these days.

Or, maybe, just maybe, all American citizens are protected by the Constitution.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

Good job, Judge Crabb. Congratulations and best wishes to the happy, newly-married couples.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Hopefully Wisconsin won't end up as vindictive as Utah is regarding this event. I don't think they will. This cat is now head and shoulders out of the bag.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

In Utah a "good" judge is one that defers on judicial review and rubber stamps the will of the legislative branch. An "activist" judge is deemed as one who strikes down a law as unconstitutional when exercising their power of judicial review as outlined in the U.S. Constitution. It just boggles the mind when thinking about how many of my fellow citizens are so misguided and seem to want a system of government devoid of checks and balances because their opinions aren't validated by the current governmental system as outlined by the framers.

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

Dear DesNews: Thank you for printing a picture of actual people instead of the rainbow flag or disembodied hands.

I'd like some anti-SSM person to take a look at that picture and tell me that gays want to destroy marriage.

Bob K
Davis, CA

Glad to see the DN publish this, after it ignored similar stories from quite a few other States in recent months.

Maybe the Editorial Board finally decided that it their job to help Utahns prepare for the reality of 2014, rather than stubbornly pretend that equality can be defeated.

Now, if only those State officials would help out....

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

It is quite evident which way this is going. What I appreciate is the fact that the Judge made clear that those who opposed same-sex marriage were not "hate-mongers."

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

Nothing else to say;
"Congratulations Wisconsin!!!!!!!

Disport
Alpine, UT

Totally unnatural and difficult to understand. It will take some time, but eventually society will come to understand how this so-called liberation is a weakening of the very fabric of a strong society. Not every change is for the better, no matter how adamant supporters of that change are. Nor is this. Time will undoubtedly vindicate my statement. It's inevitable... as are the negative replies to my just-being-honest opinion.

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

@Disport: Perhaps you can explain how you see this as "weakening the very fabric" of our society? There is zero evidence that this has happened in any state that has embraced this type of equality. Ten years on in Massachusetts, they still are one of the most prosperous states, with one of the lowest divorce rates, highest graduation rates, lowest murder rates and healthy religious participation rates. In no other state or nation is there any sign that marriage equality causes social decline without disingenuous and torturous machinations to misrepresent statistics.

If you worry about the decline of Utah's society, perhaps if you invested more in public education, the arts, and social infrastructure, and stressed unity and cooperation instead of divisiveness and insularity, you could arrest that decline. Gay people getting married to each other has nothing to do with it. 95% of the population was, is, and will always be straight. Scapegoating the 5% is just a distraction and a petulant excuse for inaction on the real issues.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Disport

You wrote:

" Time will undoubtedly vindicate my statement."

What about if we let time "to show" us the result instead of making negative forecast.

With all due respect, If you allow me I would suggest for you to say : " I think this will end bad. However, I will pray and do my part to help this to make it a success for the well being of our society".

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@Disport 10:20 p.m. June 7, 2014

That's the same thing that was said when LOVING V VIRGINIA took away the attempt to ban mixed race marriage. Guess what -- didn't happen. The same will be true once the bans against same-sex marriage are negated.

BJMoose
Syracuse, UT

I've been critical in the past of articles that included photos of hands only so I'd like to echo what Laura Bilington said and also thank you for showing photos of actual couples. They all look very happy to me and I continue to be amazed that there are people who want to deny them this happiness.
To Disport, I appreciate the way you stated your viewpoint and though I don't agree with it, it is nice to see one intelligently stated rather than the slippery-slope rants that show up so often here and other places. Not trying to be negative but "just-my-honest-opinion" this will end up strengthening society, not weakening it. Time will tell which opinion, yours or mine, will be vindicated.

Avenue
Vernal, UT

I agree with Disport on this issue.

To redefine marriage is to redefine family. Since family is the basic unit of society, this is also redefining society. To redefine something is to attack its fundamental definition. Therefore, supporters of SSM wish for the downfall of civilization and cannot be trusted in any position of power.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

Disport, I heard from many of my church member freinds that the same thing was going to happen when Blacks were given the priesthood. I doubt this will have any bearing on our country falling into ruin. My guess it will in fact make marriages stronger and more valuable both gay and straight.

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

To Disport and Avenue: As long as heterosexuals keep having babies, about 5% of them will be gay. So this isn't a population that is going to go away. What would you have them do? Live alone? Live together in celibacy? Be forced into a commune on a remote island? Or, like you and your spouses, pledge their fidelity to another and live, cherish, and care for each other, til death do they part? Seriously, which do you think is best for society?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"... after being married by a Unitarian minister outside the courthouse ..."

Religious freedom on action. A MINISTER married this LGBT couple. Any church fighting marriage equality is also fighting against religious freedom.

"But it does matter."

Yes, it does.

@Disport;

Not every tradition is for the better either. Not every religious belief is for the better. What say we agree to disagree? I find this beneficial to society rather than bad for it.

Congratulations Wisconsin!

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