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  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    @Laconic
    Did you see Michigan play last year? There was nothing "automatic" about their games against teams much worse than Utah.

  • Loconic Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2014 5:20 p.m.

    @ Bi 12 call yet:

    A terribly naive and uninformed comment. I'm surprised it was allowed.

    We also know with near certainty that Utah will finish with losing seasons and continue to go bowl-less into the foreseeable future.

  • Loconic Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    @ Ute 311:

    You need to also keep in mind that Utah was also just a few plays away from several more losses last year as well. Overall, their close games seemed to average out.

    The reason so many people feel like Utah is a perennial doormat of their conference is because they never seem to improve. They've never had a winning season since joining and they throw in the towel at the end of each season with multiple coaching firings.

    They've given no reason for optimism. They've even traded in their lone bright spot each season... a BYU win... for an almost automatic loss to Michigan. And so the downward spiral continues. Even Chris B has given up talking about them and instead concentrates all his time and energy on BYU.

    Sad.

  • Loconic Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2014 5:03 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Once again your comments have exposed you as a fraud when it comes to pretending you actually know anything at all about BYU. The only thing we do know about you is that you dont like BYU. And you've made it impossible for any BYU fans to like you in return with your cynicism.

    You would be be better off trying to sell all the readers on the merits of the U of U (not an easy thing to do) and avoid things you know very little about.... like BYU.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2014 3:56 p.m.

    Chris B and other anti-BYU Ute fans continue to legitimize the relevancy of BYU by demonstrating his and their ongoing obsession with BYU. It's actually hilarious to read such supposed Ute fans spend more time and effort writing about BYU... which must be the premier program in the state.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    June 7, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    I am tired of 65 teams blowing their own horn as they chase after some obscene amount of money. Lets call what they want what it is, minor league football. Once they start paying players, what difference will there be. Players going on strike for more money. Colleges protecting criminals because they can play. Oh wait, they are already doing that. Just don't call it college football. Academics are not part of the deal. The rest of college football can unite under a new organization that does not have the gestapo mentality of the NCAA. A playoff for more than four teams would generate plenty of excitement for me and other fans of what college football used to be. The only good thing about the so called division iv is that u will never play for a NC. u won't be able to compete with the teams that have more money, a bigger fan base, better venues in bigger markets, and a football tradition that includes more than two good years. And before all the trolls jump in with more unsolicited comments, let me say this is my opinion and I don't care about yours.

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    June 7, 2014 5:29 a.m.

    In my opinion, this is just another step toward the death of football as we know it.
    Formula for disaster of a popular sport.
    1) Make it too expensive to go to the games for the regular family.
    2) Then make it so that you only can see the games on pay-channels or pay-websites at home.
    3) Add in a mix of sports related injuries that have long lasting effects and cover-ups related to these injuries (Maybe soccer would be a safer sport says Mom).
    4) Lawsuits as those already rich pursue more (via power grabs like this one, lawsuits, infighting, TV deals, etc).
    5) Publicity about how much these guys are making (and the tickets cost what?? says Dad)

    and suddenly Mom's aren't so interested in the sports. Some dad's too. Giant portions of the population who used to love it slowly replace it with other uses of their time. The sport slowly numbs itself into irrelevancy.

    Boxing used to be huge people! Football is dying and it doesn't even know it.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    June 6, 2014 11:25 p.m.

    A couple things we can predict with certainty.

    Utah will always be in a real conference and eligible for the playoffs and all that college sports has to offer

    Byu will NOT be with the big boys and will not be a part of the future if college football, other than what is limited to whatever the mid majors set up for themselves.

  • OC Fan Orange County, CA
    June 6, 2014 9:59 p.m.

    "This year might be more of the same because of QB depth but I would expect a great 2015 season. But like i said, predicting the future is rarely successful."

    Thou sayest!

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    June 6, 2014 8:52 p.m.

    It's a little ridiculous for a Y fan to say that Utah will be a doormat forever. Predicting the future has been successfully done by no one...ever. Saying that the Utes will be a perennial doormat is just sour grapes. The Utes were a few plays short in 4 of their losses last year. We even played really well vs the mighty ducks, the second half was a disaster. All this with an unhealthy TW. 2013 was nothing like 2012, despite the same W-L record. This year might be more of the same because of QB depth but I would expect a great 2015 season. But like i said, predicting the future is rarely successful.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 7:04 p.m.

    @BlueHusky

    Utah will be a constant doormat because they will never get the athletes USC, Oregon, and Stanford will get. Pay the players? Yeah, Utah will be able to do that. Not! Neither will half the teams in the PAC-12.

    This move will only benefit certain teams with a lot of money. Utah is not one of them.

    ------------

    Then can you cite a source where any of those PAC-12 teams are against P5 autonomy? All I've read so far is teams like Boise State, UCF coming out against it. But I don't know of a single P5 team coming out against this proposal.

    If this was as bad as you claim for teams like Utah, TCU, Oregon State, Kansas State, Virgina, Arkansas, Northwestern, etc. then I would think someone from those programs would have spoken up.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    June 6, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    Utah is 9-18 in the PAC since joining.

    TCU is 6-12 in conference since joining the Big-12.

    Both Utah & TCU had really good success vs BYU since 2008.

    Moral of the story: The PAC and the Big-12 are big boy conferences, and it's taking Utah and TCU time to acclimate to the elevated level of competition. For these reasons - and many more - the creation of another division is justified.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    Some of you seem pretty confident that Utah will never amount to anything based on a 3 year sample size where Utah has played around 5 conference games with their game 1 starting QB healthy.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 6, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    @MyPerspective

    "For example, I can say...a Div IV program is earned by playing and winning two BCS games, being a leading research university, having robust academic programs through the PhD level, and having a world class medical school."

    Not to mention that Utah doesn't have any of those pesky academic freedom issues that certain other universities do.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    never break .500
    Los Angeles, CA

    "Two good years does not a program make. Consistency, wins, bowl games, major athlete awards, the ease of watching games all around the world…all factor into that…oh, and get a DIV 1 stadium."

    I'm guessing that your comment is in reference to what byu has done? If so, maybe you should explain why byu is relegated to the mid-major division. If your comment is not in reference to byu, please explain where your criteria comes from because it's easy to cherry pick.

    For example, I can say...a Div IV program is earned by playing and winning two BCS games, being a leading research university, having robust academic programs through the PhD level, and having a world class medical school.

    That's what Division IV is all about and it's great to belong!

    There...see how easy that is?

    Go Utes
    Go Pac-12

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    BlueHusky
    Mission Viejo, CA

    "Utah will never keep up and U won't even qualify for the lower tier PAC-12 bowls. Utah will be a constant doormat because they will never get the athletes USC, Oregon, and Stanford will get. Pay the players? Yeah, Utah will be able to do that. Not! Neither will half the teams in the PAC-12."

    Never? Won't? Constant?

    Hmmmmmm...do you always speak in absolutes?

    Utah will forge it's own path in the P-5, you don't need to fret over it. The one certainty that you can count on is...

    Utah IN...byu OUT.

  • never break .500 Los Angeles, CA
    June 6, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    any idea when the Utes will break the top 25 again in football? answer: never …and if they did, the following week, they'd be out with an ugly loss. Two good years does not a program make. Consistency, wins, bowl games, major athlete awards, the ease of watching games all around the world…all factor into that…oh, and get a DIV 1 stadium. That little 45,000 model looks cute, but….really? Looks like JuCo to visiting teams.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    @Ball junky

    When was the last time a school was kicked out of a 'big boy' conference? Temple, then who and when?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    June 6, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    @Chris B

    You're dreaming the good dream. Sadly, Utah will never keep up and U won't even qualify for the lower tier PAC-12 bowls. Utah will be a constant doormat because they will never get the athletes USC, Oregon, and Stanford will get. Pay the players? Yeah, Utah will be able to do that. Not! Neither will half the teams in the PAC-12.

    This move will only benefit certain teams with a lot of money. Utah is not one of them.

    But dream on, dude. Dream on.

  • Ball junky Bountiful, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    Chris B: The big boy conferences are moving on and we'll create a new division where only big boys have access and only big boys will play in the big bowl games and the playoffs.

    Hang on tight, they might dump your utes because of location and being weak. Then will you like the idea?

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    @schnee

    This isn't just about football and basketball. All mens and womens sports. No Title IX issues at all.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    June 6, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    That would be great because all the Utah Universities are boring. They choke when it counts in big games against the big boys.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:05 p.m.

    The P5 need to make this a clean break and form a new Division. The idea of co-existing under the same "tent" with the current mid-majors will only enhance the angst already brewing. Cut the strings and require P5 programs to schedule P5 programs in football only. The mid-majors have their own division.

    Leave the format for basketball and all other sports as currently established.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    "spend the billions they make from television deals and other revenue streams more freely on athletes, including increasing the value of a scholarship to include costs beyond tuition and room and board."

    That would be running straight into Title IX issues.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    One last quote from the article about bronco wishing the big 12 would call:

    "The American-Statesman, however, cited two sources that the idea of adding BYU has little support among Big 12 officials"

    LOL

    Even though the Big 12 wants a title game, they'd rather not have a title game if they'd have to invite byu to get one.

    That's how little they think of byu.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    So many great points in this quote from ESPN article about bronco trying to get accepted into the Big 12:

    "BYU suddenly has plenty of motivation to join a conference. The ACC and SEC excluded BYU from their power five non-conference scheduling mandate, which could make it difficult for the independent Cougars to fill out their football schedule. Also, if the power five conferences (ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12, SEC) gain autonomy from the NCAA, BYU could get even further left behind."

    LOL!

    Yep, byu's getting left in the dust. And its been a joy and will continue to be a joy to watch and comment on

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    I've been saying this was coming for a long time, and its a welcome change!

    The big boy conferences are moving on and we'll create a new division where only big boys have access and only big boys will play in the big bowl games and the playoffs.

    If mid majors want to set up their own playoffs or their own new bowls that fine we don't care, but they wont be allowed into our.

    And the notion of lawsuits keeping byu relevant and with access to the big boy playoffs..LOL!

    Ya, and Wyoming and Utah State can probably sue and demand access to the pac 12 or SEC championship.

    byu and Utah state have no more chance at a seat with the big boys than Wyoming does of a shot in the SEC!

    Proud Ute
    Proud Pac 12 member
    Proud Division IV(or whatever we'll call it) member

  • Michael Romney Salt Lake, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    This is how it should be. And lets make it clear there are 65 teams currently in the Big conferneces including Notre Dame. Most sports pundits believe there will be 4 superconferneces of 16 teams each, although it looks like 1 conference may end up with 17. But how many spaces does that leave for current mid-majors?

    None! Cheers to everyone included and mid-majors who will never be included

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    June 6, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    This is clearly a game changer. Sadly, it will benefit only the top dozen or so teams with the budget and the focus on winning at all costs, regardless of ethics. The average teams in the Big 5 conglomerate will see their success ratios drop. NCAA sports will be dominated by you-know-who.

    I agree with the Boise State guy. This should not be allowed. And I'm a Washington grad. Already the cash disparity is obvious: look at Oregon the last 10 years. OSU can't compete with them and UW hasn't beaten them in 10 years. No way WSU, OSU, Utah, even UCLA and Cal, can compete with USC, Oregon (Nike money) and Stanford. Recruiting will become a bidding war for top players. The players will be semi-pros. You like what one-and-done has done to college hoops? Then you'll love this new Big5 semi-pro league.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    June 6, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    This is merely a circling of the wagons by the former BCS teams. No surprise here folks. Just follow the Big Cash System.