Obama released five terrorists who has killed, and beheaded thousands of men,
women, and children. They have promised to kill more when freed.Obama freed them for one deserter who hates this country. Bergdahl was not
captured, but moved there on his own free will.And now Obama offers
no apologies?Yep, and a few thousand prisoners convicted of rape,
murder, and theft were also released from prison.
Having watched this all play out, here is what I think happened. The Obama
people saw a opportunity to get an American serviceman released. They saw as a
result nothing but good PR. They did not take into account that the American
people would not like that this guy was an AWOL soldier, or that the Americans
would care about which 5 prisoners were realeased. After all, how much did they
care about the ones released by Bush? Well, America did care about both. Why
this soldier was captured and who the released terrorists were are in fact
important. Those things mattered to us Americans. The White House was really
blindsided on this one. So of course there will be no apology. Obama can only
hope that these 5 will not re-engage in the war on terror. Otherwise they will
become another huge negative in his legacy. And from looking at those guys,
they could go on doing terror for years. So Obama could have them as a monkey
on his back for a long time.
OHBU, North Vietnam is a recognized Nation/State member of the UN. The Taliban
are not. Hence the negotiation with North Vietnam to return POW's.
Here's what obligation the military, including the CinC is under. If Obama
broke the law, Impeach, if Bergdahl deserted, court martial him, but only after
bringing him home. No more whining and politicking.Code of Conduct
for the U.S. Fighting Force"c. Just as you have a responsibility
to your country under the Code of Conduct, the United States government has an
equal responsibility—to keep faith with you and stand by you as you fight
for your country. If you are unfortunate enough to become a prisoner of war, you
may rest assured that your government will care for your dependents and will
never forget you. Furthermore, the government will use every practical means to
contact, support and gain release for you and for all other prisoners of
war."Notice there's no provision for ignoring deserters,
the responsibility is to bring them ALL home.
Of course he is not going to apologize......Obama see's no distinction
between Bergdahl the traitor/collaborator and every other soldier who has served
or died? Like spitting in the face of all who truly served with
honor and distinction!
Something to note: The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are not the same thing.
They're allies, but not the same. The Taliban only has a record of killing
Americans in Afghanistan, not carrying out international terrorist activities.
In this vein, they really are no different than the North Vietnamese, with whom
we negotiated for the release of soldiers, one of whom is now parading about
talking about how "we don't negotiate with terrorists."Another note: many seem to be suggesting that there is near consensus on the
fact that these released detainees will be a high security threat, when many
within intelligence and the military have been making statements of the kind
that this is more symbolic and they are unlikely to make a significant impact.
In the words of Gen McChrystal who oversaw the conflict in Afghanistan at the
time: "We don't leave Americans behind. That's unequivocal."
The correct way to get Bergdahl would have been by a Special Ops team
extraction. That would have taught the Taliban not to pick up strays. But
Obama saw an opportunity (to release the worst prisoners from gitmo) and he
seized it.What will it will take for Congress to hold Obama to the
bounds authorized the office of president under the Constitution?
@Steffano J"How does this effect the risk to our men and women
in uniform of kidnapping them to seek the release of others? "This is mund numbing. Do you not think this is the talibans number 1 objective
since the beginning of the war?
Excellent Brio I actually agree with pretty much that entire post. I'm glad
he's home but I don't like how it happened either. I
don't buy into any of the conservative tropes about Benghazi but I am
bothered, like you, that nothing has come from it. At least that we know about.
Couldn't we at least be told, well we learned a lot from this and this is
what we are going to do differently? Even that seems too much to ask. However,
I'm also even more annoyed that under Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Bush II
similar events happened and it seems no administration is doing anything about
it.See I do care about your answers. I hope you give the same
respect to what I actually said and agree that Embassy bombings under Reagan
were just as terrible. That Operation WR under Bush was just as terrible as
F&F. That the IRS scandal is bogus because liberal and conservative
organizations were targeted.
Lost did you even bother reading beyond the word buzzword in my post? Buzzword
referred not to tragedy of the events themselves but to the fact that
conservatives have turned these tragedies into nothing more than buzzwords
because they refuse recognize the deeper complexity of the issues. Perhaps I
didn't spell it out enough for you so I'll try again. Yes
Fast and Furious was a horrible thing. But so was Operation Wide Receiver, the
predecessor run by Bush. Conservatives demand apologies for F&F but I never
hear anyone say the same for WR. The family of that Border Guard who was killed
in your example deserves just as much of apology if WR led to his death. Are you
willing to admit that?Are you willing to admit what study after
study has said about the IRS "scandal"? That they targeted just as many
liberal organizations?Are you willing to decry Reagan for lapses in
Embassy security that led to hundreds of deaths?That's what
makes them a buzzword, the fact that for conservatives there is only one side to
He was a soldier. The US has had prisoner exchanges in every conflict they have
been part of. If he did desert, he will be subject to the UCMJ. The politicians
should stick to politics and not military matters!
You BO apologists are in the minority. Recent CNN poll shows BO’s
favorable ratings exceed his unfavorables in only 1 of 12 measures! Most
measures show strong opposition to his policies.wraith,just
because the MSM and the left dismiss BO’s failures as “conservative
buzzwords” does not mean people did not die or were not unjustly treated
as a result. Tell the parents of the dead border guard that he is nothing more
than a “buzzword”. The depths you stoop to defend BO are
amazing.GaryOYou claiming innocence is JUST. TOO. FUNNY!!!!!
@ The Wraith:In answer to your question (not that you're
actually interested in any answers)... I'll tell what I'm
most angry about. I'm angry about the additional Americans that will die as
a direct result of the 5 high ranking Taliban officials Obama gave freedom to.
Bringing home an American soldier... traitor or not... is not the
issue in and of itself. It's good that he's home, but not at the high
cost involved in this case. We gave up 5 militant terrorists that even many
Democrats in Congress have admitted will most likely kill again. So yes, that
bothers me. I wouldn't have made that trade that the Taliban is now
publicly bragging about. It bothers me that Obama set a precedent in
negotiating with terrorists. That's something I'm not aware of America
ever doing before. And by so doing, Obama has encouraged more kidnappings of
Americans. That makes me angry. Regarding Benghazi... Obama has
never held anyone accountable for 4 dead Americans. Not a single arrest, even
after promising he would find the perpetrators and bring them to justice ASAP.
And yet nothing has happened. That also makes me angry.
The president made a considered decision based on information he (not us) had.
It was probably the best decision given the circumstances. The same lot would
condemn him no matter what he did in this case, and there would have been some
row had this chap died in captivity. So those that want to get apoplectic about
it can do so; the deal is done and we can move on.
I would love to spend a few minutes in an alternate universe where the Commander
in Chief refused to act and an American citizen (whatever crime he may have
committed) died in an Afghani jail. Do you really suppose those who are bashing
the President for his actions here would say he did the right thing there?Me either.
Questions I would like to see the President address and discuss with the
nation:While I understand it may be an accepted practice to trade
captives for release after a conflict is over, where is the wisdom in releasing
enemy combatant leaders while this conflict is still being waged by the groups
we released these to?How does this effect the risk to our men and
women in uniform of kidnapping them to seek the release of others? If this man did in desert his post, should that effect what is done to affect
his return? If so, how?What was done to understand and consider the
concerns of desertion expressed by this man's fellow soldiers?Please do not brush off these questions as "political footballs." Yes,
there will always be political positioning related to issues like this, but
these are important, prudent questions about how we as a country deal with
terrorism, deserters, and the well being of our men and women in the service.
We haven't received any apology ever from this POTUS. He is so political
that he can't govern. He needs to be impeached.
@ GaryO:Do you consider yourself a "reasonable person"? You
say "a reasonable person is never influenced by the conservatives point of
view".And yet you truly are influenced, almost daily. As proof,
one only has to observe that almost every comment you make on every article is
turned into an anti-conservative tirade. So once again I ask... are you a
reasonable person?And in response to your comment about only gnats
caring about their opinion... well, that obviously would make you a gnat since
you obviously do care so much. It's nearly all you every write about.
@ BrioThat's quite the list of conservative buzzword
controversies. I would honestly like to hear an apology for Fast and Furious
from Obama. I'd also like to hear one for Operation Wide Receiver
(F&F's predecessor) from Bush. Benghazi has been debunked over and over
but that isn't stopping you is it? You do realize that several independent
researchers have shown that the IRS investigated just as many "Liberal"
organizations as well. Or do you just really need to believe that it was only
"conservative" ones so you can keep your anger up?I'm
curious what you would have done as President if you had the chance to bring
home an American prisoner of war who had been held in captivity for 5 years.
Would you have said, well left his post he'll just have to die there. Do
you really believe he should have just been left there to rot? It feels like
you're angry about this just to be angry about it. I don't
care what he did, 5 years in captivity is punishment enough. I'm happy this
young man is back home.
@ GaryO:Once again you offer nothing but an anti-conservative tirade
with nothing substantiated. Question: How do you know what
conservatives would've done had Bergdahl died in captivity? Answer:
You don't. You are anything but a conservative and with no basis whatsoever
to try to speak for us. Your opinion should be offered as such and only as the
conjecture it is. You are conveniently forgetting the fact that many
liberals in Congress are also condemning Obama for his action regarding this
trade. He even ignored his own law in doing so.You also conveniently
forget that every single soldier who served with Bergdahl considers him a
traitor who walked out from his post and thereby deserted his men.You ask "who cares what conservatives have to say about it?"Obviously you do. It's certainly got your dander up with the first post
to this article.You also ask what reasonable person is influenced by
a conservative point of view?The correct answer is... most of them. Please do you homework next time before dispensing with personal
@GaryOThat's the tolerant "left wing" speech that we
are use to. "who cares...." and "...who cares about their
opinions?" That's exactly how dictatorships are run. I
don't recall ever hearing a conservative complain that there was a prisoner
of war. Of course they would like all US troops to be released and freed.
However, not by negotiating with terrorists and embolden the enemy.Only the left wing people celebrate and plead for the lives of murderers,
killers while at the same time calling our own soldiers murderers and baby
killers while making themselves rich at the hands of those that have sacrificed
their lives.Yet our military still put their neck on the line, even
for people like GaryO who's incompetence and vote for Obama has caused the
slaughter of more US Troops, Americans and Iraqis and Afghans. Not to mention
the murders his regime committed with the VA.How can a rationale
person celebrate the lives of known killers? How can your party celebrate the
murder of unborn children?Weare inthe lastdays. How sad to see my country
moving in the direction it's heading. No hope No change, moving backwards
instead of progressingforward.
I've noticed that President Obama never apologizes for any of his personal
debacles. He has a habit of rationalizing them and using self-justification for
erroneous actions. He also never apologized for Fast and Furious,
for Benghazi, for the IRS scandal, for the terrible Obamacare roll-out or for
the VA hospital disaster which was responsible for dozens of veterans dying
while waiting for care. He simply won't apologize for anything, regardless
of the evidence against him or his administration. It seems to be a political
ego thing.The truth and fact of the matter is that every single
soldier who served with Bergdahl considers him a traitor who walked away from
his post after claiming in an email to his parents that he was ashamed to be a
soldier of the US military. Why would anyone in our government give
up 5 of the most dangerous Taliban fighters in existence (who will kill again)
for someone who is most likely a traitor to our country? On top of that, Obama
once again ignored procedural law regarding his actions.There truly
is not much room to excuse or justify this latest action.