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Published: Sunday, May 25 2014 12:24 a.m. MDT

Updated: Sunday, May 25 2014 12:24 a.m. MDT

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annewandering
oakley, idaho

So horribly sad. So many signs that worried even the parents yet what could have been done? Hy heart goes out to the families of the victims and the young man.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

This is a mental health issue, not a gun issue.

We must find a way to get crazy people off the streets before they start killing people.

A few questions that must be asked:
-- Was this guy bipolar (schizophrenic)?
-- Was he on any medications, especially psychotropic drugs (which seems to be a common thread among many of the mass killers in recent years?
-- When did anyone first see his death threat video and what did they do about it? Was a judge consulted about involuntary commitment?

Note that the law already prohibits anyone ever involuntarily committed to a mental hospital for treatment (not just a 72 hour evaluation) from ever purchasing or possessing a gun. It is time we ease the standards for such commitments and trigger the gun ban on the borderline mentally ill.

For any mental health advocates who disagree and argue that "crazy people have rights, too!" you bear the burden of explaining why people needlessly have to die to protect the mentally ill.

Sadly there is no real cure for most mental health problems, and you cannot force them to take medications against their will.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

"Richard Martinez said his son Christopher Martinez, 20, was killed in the shooting. He blamed politicians and gun-rights proponents."

Where's the shooters parents?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Funny how it's always a "mental" issue but never a gun issue.

Repubs, when is it a gun issue?

Want to know the definition of insanity? Doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results.

Doing nothing in regards to gun control, another shooting happens, gun obsessed repubs claim it's a mental health issue, don't do anything, another shooting happens, gun obsessed repubs claim it's a mental health issue, nothing happens, another shooting happens.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

For a glimpse into how issues are handled *within* the gun rights community, three examples are revealing:

- A long time columnist and the editor of a pro-Gun magazine were forced out of their jobs because the columnist suggested there are limits to every Constitutional right, including the 2nd Amendment.

- In California a gun store owner was bullied via death threats into *not* offering a "smart gun" - a gun which can only be operated by its owner. (Many people considering buying a gun for safety are hesitant because the gun might be used by somebody else - children, bad guys, etc. Smart Guns eliminate that possibility.)

- The same thing happened back east to a gun store owner thinking about selling Smart Guns. Death threats, bullying, etc. Unsurprisingly, smart guns are not available in the US.

Holmes, Lanza and this young man in California have / had serious mental health issues, certainly.

How do we explain threats of violence *within* the gun rights community to stifle making Smart Guns available for sale?

cjb
Bountiful, UT

The father of one of the victims blamed the NRA. He hasn't heard that some of the victims died from a knife? He hasn't heard that there were murders long before guns were invented?

cjb
Bountiful, UT

If smart guns are mandated, but not smart kitchennknives or gasoline cans or automobiles, or smart baseball bats etc. etc. the tools that murders choose to use will merely change from guns to the other tools available. murders will not stop happening.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Funny how it's always a "mental" issue but never a gun issue.

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No its not funny, its just common sense. Unless you believe that getting rid of guns would stop murders. To prove that however you would have to prove there were no murders before the gun was invented. Good luck on that one.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Yeah. It's a gun issue. Not exclusively, but it's a gun issue.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

If we take guns away because there are people who misuse them, what's next? Do we take kitchen knives and baseball bats away too? What about cans of gasoline and automobiles and household chemicals?

Murder has existed almost from the time people were put on earth. This predates the invention of the firearm by thousands of years.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

The Real Maverick:
"Funny how it's always a 'mental' issue but never a gun issue. Repubs, when is it a gun issue?"

According to reports, it was partly a knives issue.

"Want to know the definition of insanity? Doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results."

You mean blaming guns over and over when it's a personality abnormality issue?

"Doing nothing in regards to gun control..."

The Founding Fathers thought everyone should keep and bear arms.

suzyk#1
Mount Pleasant, UT

To: The Real Maverick - it's not the guns that kill but the person holding it. Surely his parents noticed(maybe they were too busy) his behavior.That guy was filled with anger and hate. Who was aware of his behavior and did nothing about it? Guns protect us if they are in the hands of a responsible and mentally stable person. He could have been on drugs as far as we know. We can't control everyone's anger or frustration. Taking away guns is not the answer - but putting people away with behavior problems is.

Jack
Aurora, CO

Solely a gun issue? How about the three people he stabbed to death before he went shooting, was that a gun issue? Or the people he ran down with his car, was that a gun issue? Perhaps it was the video he made outlining his plan to slaughter people, was that a gun issue too?

Stop concentrating on the gun, and start concentrating on the causes of his behavior. It was not a gun that caused this, it was a disturbed young man. If you myopically focus on the gun, you fail to look at the cause. He killed three without a gun, are those three somehow not victims?

May I suggest a cranial extraction and a renewed focus on what causes people to think they can solve whatever is bothering them with the murder of others.

Jimmytheliberal
Salt Lake City, UT

@DN News Subscriber..."This is not a gun issue, it's a mental health issue"...Obviously due to my liberal views my comments are heavily monitored so I'll attempt yet again! How about the people that were stabbed to death? Obviously even a pro gun advocate could see this young man would not have been able to kill nearly as many as he did if he had continued his attack with a knife rather then a semi automatic handgun. In closing, a mental health issue would be classified as continually ignoring a serious issue that is a plague in our society and doing absolutely nothing about it. Wouldn't you agree?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Jack
Someone shot up your movie theatre, the idea that we should just ignore guns is absurd.

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