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Published: Tuesday, May 20 2014 9:25 p.m. MDT

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Understands Math
Lacey, WA

Judge John E. Jones III was nominated by George W. Bush, upon recommendation of Sen. Rick Santorum.

Just to nip the "maverick liberal judge" accusations in the bud.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

With liberty and justice for all.

Someday soon.

USU-Logan
Logan, UT

Since last year, I am still waiting for a court ruling in favor of same-sex marriage ban, and apparently SSM opponents could not get that from courts in NJ, NM, OH, UT, OK, KY, VA, TX, TN, MI, IN, AR, ID, OR, PA, not to mention they already failed in the courts of MA, CT, CA and IA in the past.

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

Dear Anti-s: Before you get started---we've already heard these assertions:

1. No woman can be a husband and no man can be a wife.

2. Why can't I marry my (sister, dog, brother, car, etc)?

3. The Bible says, (Insert your scriptural reference here).

4. A heterosexual couple provides the best environment for a child.

5. Comments about biology, procreation, etc.

6. References to "thousands of years", "end times", "activist judges", "God's Kingdom" "redefining marriage".

This stuff isn't relevant. And you've made your points already.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

This ruling is the most significant one so far, because it employs "heightened scrutiny" instead of the "rational basis" review that is more deferential to the State. That will make it very difficult for any of these Gay Marriage bans to survive.

From the ruling:
“Indeed, it is unsurprising that Defendants muster no argument engaging the strictures of heightened scrutiny, as we, too, are unable to fathom an ingenuous defense saving the Marriage Laws from being invalidated under this more searching standard.”

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

The United States is a country far from perfect. However, IMHO because we as a nation have the capacity to reflect and self examine our laws, mores, and who we are we become better. These rulings by the courts are a sample of that and an example to the rest of the world.

Congratulations Pennsylvania!!!!

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Good.

higv
Dietrich, ID

What sense is there voting if something is going to be overturned. Marriage is not mans to change and those judges who were all wrong every one of them will have to answer to a higher judge.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

We can be as dumb as we want. there's no law ageist it. But I there should be for public officials.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

Laura Bilington, Thanks you so much for your comment. It could not have been said better. It won't change those people, but it will change the direction of the arguments which it already has here in Utah.

Thank - you!

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

@higv:

What is the sense of having a Constitution if we're going to ignore it when we want to get our way.

The vote is about the power of the mob. The Constitution is about the law, and protecting the right of minorities against the will go the majority.

omahahusker
Modesto, CA

And we live by the rule of the judges. The crusade against the traditional god fearing Christen family is in full swing. One day the God in heaven will look down upon the earth and say enough is enough, or he will start it very gradually, and the liberals will call it "Global Warming", Climate Change", Climate disturbance etc.!!! Like frogs in the gradually warming pot of water, feels good at first, sometime it will be too late to jump out and then you'll understand the judgements!

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

...and (Satan) had a great chain in his hand, and it veiled the whole face of the earth with darkness; and he looked up and laughed, and his angels rejoiced

Moses 7:26

A Scientist
Provo, UT

The religionists arguments are so predictable... and so irrelevant and impotent.

Congratulations, Pennsylvania and the City of Brotherly love!

higv
Dietrich, ID

@stormwalker what about the tyranny of the minority, don't get there way at the ballot box so find something in the constitution that is not there to overturn what people what. People are protected with the law and in cases of employment and obtaining things regardless of what they do in there bedroom. Why are they making it public. Marriage is a right that comes from our creator and not ours to change.

Willem
Los Angeles, CA

I ask you Amerikans can it get any better?

Understands Math
Lacey, WA

@higv wrote: "People are protected with the law and in cases of employment and obtaining things regardless of what they do in there bedroom. Why are they making it public."

A list of states where a person can be fired for being gay:

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
West Virginia
Wyoming

(Full disclosure: In many of these states there are individual counties and cities that do have protections against LGBT discrimination.)

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

@higv: "Marriage is a right that comes from our creator and not ours to change."

Years ago my partner collapsed. Rushed to the ER. The diagnosis doesn't matter here, but he was expected to live less than two months. For three days his family was great. Then, without explanation his sister excluded me from all care decisions, tried to ban me from visiting. I was advised to come only when family was not there. I had no legal recourse.

Many years ago I was married. My wife had a chronic medical issue. We we went through a long, friendly divorce. We were living apart but still legally married for almost 6 months, with no legal separation, when she went in the hospital. Someone had to make medical decisions. I could have very easily overridden the family and excluded them because we had a marriage license.

You might believe that marriage comes from God. But there are about 1200 rules, laws, regulations, benefits, and protections that come from the state and federal government.

That is what same-sex marriage is all about.

Jimmytheliberal
Salt Lake City, UT

@Utes Fans...Isn't your entire post lyrics from a heavy metal song? Most definitely sounds like it is. May I ask what it has to do with equality for all?

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@Stormwalker 11:30 a.m. May 21, 2014

You're lucky you got to visit your partner at all. I provided pro bono legal representation for PWAs in the 1980s and 1990s. I know a number of occasions when, after I had prepared documents providing that my client's partner was the ONLY person authorized to make medical decisions for him and the documents had been properly executed, notarized and recorded, my client's family instruted the medical providers to disregard my client's directive and to allow the family members to make all the decisions (including banning my client's partner from visiting and being present at passing). The medical providers complied with the family's instructions, denying my client the right to make his own end-of-life decisions and have his wishes followed. You, at least, had some opportunity to visit with your loved one. Compared to what I saw then, you were lucky to have that opportunity.

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