@Worf...For once you are correct. Just turn on Faux News my friend!
JoeBlow, Utefan60,too much MSNBC for you!no GOP plans?
there were plenty, nancy would not let them be heard in the house. they were
available for review on the net. Too bad you've been imbibing the DNC
kool-aid and are unaware of the GOP proposals.Or maybe you just
choose to ignore them because that would contradict your ideology.
What did the GOP do to insure even one individual? Not a thing. At least the
Democrats are getting American citizens insured. The program isn't perfect
but it sure beats the "no game plan" the Republicans have.
Some people are so easily fooled.
@ UtahBlueDevil:Not paying insurance premiums, and especially the
initial premium. is not on par to people simply being a few days late with a car
or credit card payment. Regarding the latter, no harm is done, other than
perhaps a small penalty. Nothing is actually lost. But with the former, if an
initial insurance payment is not made, then that policy is never legally
started, so doesn't yet even exist. So in the meantime, if health insurance
service is required, then too bad... there is no valid policy to use. So a great
deal is lost.As you should be able to see by now, you're
comparing apples and oranges. Since no initial payments have been made by the
article referenced 20%, most of those payments are not just late, there's a
very good chance that most will never be made, since as others have pointed out,
duplicate enrollees were counted more than once. Had these people
already made several payments, then your point regarding typical late payment
scenario percentages would be more valid. But that simply isn't the case.
So your analogy isn't comparatively valid.
Call it a "success" if you want, but Obamacare is not success by any
Nooooo! It just CAN'T work! It just can't! I won't let it!
It's a failed policy from a failed President.
Gary-The quote is from the same hearing. You can also find it in the New
York Times, under the article, "Insurers Say Most Who Sign Up Under Health
Care Law Have Paid Up" by Robert Pear 5/6/14:"'But the health
insurance industry said the total of eight million people who signed up included
“many duplicate enrollments' for consumers who tried to enroll more
than once because of problems on the website.'Insurers have
many duplicate enrollments in their system for which they never received any
payment,' said Mark Pratt, a senior vice president of America’s
Health Insurance Plans, an industry trade group.'It may be a
matter of months,' Mr. Pratt added, 'before insurers know how many
people activated their coverage by paying their share of premiums.'"The argument isn't whether there will be improvements over time to
the website. It's why anyone is believing data that should be coming from a
website that isn't finished.It's really easy to call
Obamacare a "success" when the goalposts have been changed so many times
over the past 4 year
@ GaryO:Once again your comment leaves me laughing and rolling my
eyes... but always in a sad sort of way. It's sad that some people can live
everyday life looking through such darkly tinted glasses. Since
Obamacare has been under construction for 5 years, when, if ever, will it ever
be considered complete?According to you, every national publication
that prints anything not favorable to the left wing agenda is part of a big
right wing conspiracy and is only political propaganda. Wow. I can't even
realistically picture how living in that sort of desultory and vitiated world
would be like. I actually feel somewhat sorry for people who live with an
obsession in that way. When people can't be objective enough to
see the positive merits or negative repercussions of any particular bill,
regardless of which party it originated with, then that person is probably
ideologically obsessed. And since I've never once read you say anything
remotely positive about any Republican action in Congress... then the shoe
seemingly fits.Actually, I take that back. Apparently, you are a
long-time and consistent Shaun Hannity follower. So maybe there is yet hope.
let's see, sign up or pay a fine. What real choice do you have? What about the 10s of millions still incovered? If Obamacare is as wonderful
as our regular Obamafiles say it is, what does that say about their attitude
toward those still uninsured? as long as BO's numbers are met, too bad
about the rest.GaryO,you are TOO funny! as long as a dem is in
charge we will have continued improvement. Oh, please stop! my sides ache from
laughing. I guess that's why it costs more and people are losing their
insurance and doctors. If that is your idea of improvement, I guess you are
correct. most people see that as digression, not progress.
Thid,Is your solution to go back to the previously unsustainable
system? I have yet to see a GOP plan (other than Hatchs which the GOP hates and
would not pass).What is the GOP solutions? They have put forth
Can anyone please help me with the Obamacare numbers problem I am having? We
were told by the Dems that there were over 40 million uninsured in America and
therefore we needed Obamacare. Now we are supposed to be delighted that 8
million have signed up for Obamacare insurance? Not even counting the people who
have not paid, those of the 8 million (reported 4 million) who are re-enrollees
to Medicaid or the unfortunate 6 million who were forced to sign up because
their previous policies were cancelled, (even though they were promised they
could keep their policies) that leaves about 32 million STILL uninsured. Add to
this the CBO warned that in 10 years or less, there will be more uninsured than
before Obamacare because millions of previously insured will no longer be able
to afford the higher premiums, co-pays and deductibles! Please, someone help me
understand why ANYONE would call this a success!
"I'm actually quite troubled that as many as 20% of Americans
can't afford the cheapest insurance rates that Obamacare can quote them.
"Really? And what percentage of Americans do you think pay
their bills on time? A little research finds," About a quarter
of adults in the U.S. or nearly 56 million Americans do not pay their bills on
time, according to the 2014 Consumer Financial Literacy Survey of
Adults."Huh...so the payment rate for ACA insurance is above the
average. So while yes, these people might be in financial distress, they are
paying for their insurance at a higher rate than other bills. Of course this
rate is far worse than those with good credit ratings, but ACA wasn't
targeted at helping those already in good financial shape. It was aimed at
helping those who can't afford insurance in normal circumstances... and it
seems to be helping those.To Mountainmans question about rates, the
panel said they didn't know that answer yet. It would be a year before
they would know the net effect of rates.... its how the system works, based on
averages over time.
Copacetic and rest.... The House Committee published are report - you know -
the kind in writing that takes lots of people to create, that stated that the
enrollment rate based on the number of people actually paying premiums was in
the 60% range. They put this in writing, and made a press release about it.
There is no doubt who wrote it, where they were, and what they knew.The leaders of these insurance companies blatantly said these claims were
false, and in fact said that they told the committee the information they were
using was incomplete, only a snap shot in time. The House Committee published
their misleading report knowing the numbers they were using were false. One
executive said that the house report should be filed in the garbage can - his
words.So I find it funny that somehow there are those who try to
excuse this by bringing up so called fabrications by the other side. More
conditional morality. If your kid lies - its wrong. If my kid lies - its
ok.We should insist on honesty by both sides, on all things.
Conditional ethics has no place here. By anyone.
"We are heading off a cliff while the democrats applaud and pat themselves
on the back."That may well be true.However, we have
been heading for a cliff for a long time. And the GOP was , and still is, a
strong proponent of maintaining the old course.How much sense does
Gary,You don't know if those who haven't paid actually
will. If 80% have paid, then the number is at 6,400,000 enrolled. Those are the
only ones who should be counted. Why do I not think the other 20%
will pay? Because of a statement from the same hearing, but not reported in this
article: "Mark Pratt, of the industry trade group America's Health
Insurance Plans, told the congressional panel that consumers who had trouble
signing up on the glitchy exchange website were 'advised to create a new
account and enroll again.' As a result, he said, 'insurers have many
duplicate enrollments in their system' and that information 'is still
reported." (Investors Business Daily, "Is Obamacare a Success? Not
Exactly"--5/7/2014).Then there is also the pesky little fact
that the back-end of the website still isn't built (Politico "Behind
the scenes, much of HealthCare.gov is still under construction"--4/24/14.)
So why would anyone believe any numbers Obama gives?The problem with
Obama touting the largest number he could find is that it really can only go
down as these problems get sorted out.
copacetic - since we're throwing in the kitchen sink here, don't
forget:- Iraq has WMD- No new taxes- We would not trade arms
for hostages- I am not a crook
Hmmmmn. GaryO. You are interesting with your logic.I also think it
is silly that Diana DeGette is declaring victory because a few people paid for
their insurance when the whole thing still stinks.We are heading off
a cliff while the democrats applaud and pat themselves on the back.
Gary O:I've never once read where Republicans, as a party
pronouncement, claimed that "enrollees would never pay up" as you are
now claiming. Would you please state who, when and where that statement was made
in behalf of the Republican party? I'm pretty sure you just got
caught stating an Obama Pinocchio-award type statement... sort of like, "if
you like your current plan, you can keep it."I'm actually
quite troubled that as many as 20% of Americans can't afford the cheapest
insurance rates that Obamacare can quote them. This article is not good news at
all. It also means Obama will now have to subtract approximately 1.5 million
from the recent number he's been quoting as having signed up for Obamacare,
since no payment means no insurance. BTW: Lincoln was proud to be
a Republican and founded the current conservative party principles and platform
they espouse today. As such, there's no doubt he would truly be proud of
them for not caving in to the current divisive and harmful political correctness
rhetoric the way liberal Democrats keep doing. But nice try.
@ GaryO...Are the political based falsehoods you are referring to
such things as:- If you like your current insurance plan, you can
keep it. Period! or- If you like your doctor, you can keep him (her)?
or- The average family will save $2500 per month under Obamacare. or- That Benghazi uprising was caused by an internet video. or- The IRS
was not targeting any conservative groups. or even- I did not have sex
with that woman.It's quite obvious you have the 2 political
parties totally mixed up. It's the democrats who bounce from one falsehood
to another and can't even able to justify their existence... even with
Ask the insurance executives what the percentage of their newly coerced
customers are NOW forced into paying much higher premiums, higher deductibles
and higher co-pays than before! Shhhhh. its a 'secret' but we know
that number is close to 6 million people who were told, "If you like your
current healthcare plan you can keep it, period"! Ask the new coerced
customers how they are going to spend the "$2500 per family that Obamacare
will save them each year in insurance premiums".