@CHS 85It's not just about the government, the people can
censor as well.It one thing to not like what another says or
disagree with them, and voice that disagreement, but it is entirely another to
punish them for not for not thinking and talking like you. Something the left
loves to do, to enforce their PC (politically correct, a communist term) views
First off, I don't in any way agree with what Sterling said... In fact I
find it ignorant and offensive. However, a man has a right to his opinions. How
many of us, if we were recorded when we didn't know it, say things that are
stupid, ignorant, and offensive? I find it odd that Bundy - the Nevada rancher -
made similar comments, and there was little backlash. He stood by it as his
opinion. Sterling should be able to do the same. Players have the right, now
that they know how he feels, to not play for him. Fans can not attend games
while he owns the team. If they are that offended, that should be the course of
action. I also think that African Americans that use racial slurs
against each other all of the time need to stop, because how can they expect
other races to respect them if they don't respect themselves. That word
happens in NBA games, NFL games, etc. Why is it ok for them to talk that way to
each other, but complain about a comment by an owner. It seems like a double
standard to me.
If everyone actually listened to the 9 minute audio recording they would be
dumbfounded. Not only does this woman attempt to set him up, she puts words and
phrases into his mouth when he doesn't even what to discuss any of it.
Multiple times throughout the recording he says "I like black people." I
admire Magic Johnson." There is nothing wrong with black people. She asks
him if he wishes she had a different skin color other than black. His answer is
that there is nothing wrong with her.I cannot believe he got banned
for life because of this. The whole argument began between the two of them
because she put a picture of her and Magic Johnson on her Instagram. He
didn't like it because she is his girlfriend and is obviously jealous. She
spun it as a black issue, and he took the bait.
I haven't watched one NBA regular season game for 3 years now. Used to be a
die hard fan but no more. May watch some of the championship this year but other
than a few players like Kevin Durrant who is a classy guy and great player much
of the rest of the league is nothing but a bunch of rap-music college drop outs
that love to tune in to horrible racists like JZ. Who could aford to go to a
game anyway - the ticket prices are a joke. NBA is on the decline and with
owners like this Sterling guy is it any wonder?
@Jazzsmack"If you don't defend and protect offensive
speech, then the first amendment has no meaning."I wasn't
aware that the government was censoring this man in any way.
I am pretty befuddled by the comments on this story. Pretty incredible that so
many of you give tacit approval to what he has said and that you truly believe
that the NBA brand has no right to protect their brand and force the owner to
live by the bylaws approved by the owners themselves. Good luck justifying that
in your minds. Oh, and politicizing this incident is pretty lame. There are
racist Republicans and racist Democrats. Political affiliation is irrelevant
when it comes to racism.
Anyone seen an analysis of the NBA constitution or any other legal
authority/leverage the NBA might have to force Sterling to sell. It's
shocking, but not surprising, how shallow the analysis has been in the media on
that point.Sterling deserves all the derision and bad PR he's
getting...that said, I'm not sure I've seen anything yet that would
require him to sell the team. Thanks @VegasUte for the quote from the NBA
constitution...not clear however what "contractual obligation" they will
be able to say Sterling violated. Being a bigot is unseemly, but not illegal
and not likely to be a breach of contract...wouldn't fall under most
"morals clauses" in contracts and with the variety of characters who are
NBA owner, I doubt there's a morals clause in the NBA Constitution.Sterling is just stubborn enough to fight this. I suspect the delay in
Silver's announcement was due, at least in part, in trying to get Sterling
to agree to sell, so my guess is that he's not planning to at this point.
If you don't defend and protect offensive speech, then the first amendment
has no meaning.
Coolio:If he is forced out, it will be by the NBA owners, not
Sterling. Under the NBA constitution, the NBA owners have the right to revoke
ownership if another owner "fails to fulfill" a "contractual
obligation" in "such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members
adversely." It would take the vote of 23 of the 30 owners to revoke his
ownership. If I had a billion dollar investment that was contingent
on the behavior of someone else, I wouldn't want them around to damage my
investment. The other NBA owners have the right by contract to protect their
investments.The best thing for Sterling to do right now is sell the
club anyway. It is worth a $billion right now, and if he doesn't sell, the
value will drop rapidly. He is losing sponsors - again, they have the right to
protect their products and don't want to be associated with this guy - good
free agents are not going to want to deal with the club while he is the owner,
and season ticket holders will start dropping off.This is NOT
censorship or first amendment rights violation. It is business.
@ VegasUte"Sterling's business was not taken away from him,
he can still own the Clippers. He just cannot associate with any functions of
the league. The NBA is protecting their product, and they have that
right."What you are missing is that Silver in addition to his
life ban of Sterling is now telling the league owners to FORCE Sterling OUT! He
is recommending that the owners force him to sell his rights and property that
Cats"in America we have a right to be a complete jerk."The NBA is a business and they have the right to protect their business
whether you like it or not. If you spouted off the way that Sterling did, it
was made public and your employer found out about it, he would have the right to
protect his business and fire you. Sterling's business was not taken away
from him, he can still own the Clippers. He just cannot associate with any
functions of the league. The NBA is protecting their product, and they have
that right.This is NOT a first amendment issue people! Sterling had
the right to be a complete jerk, which he freely exercised, as he has been for
the last 30 years. No one is proposing that he should be arrested, or that his
right to be stupid should be taken away from him. But - the NBA should not have
to sit back and watch any part of it's product deteriorate because of his
choice of actions.
@ Thornbirds:If you think there are so many radio and talk shows by
conservatives are so offensive, what are you doing spending so much of your time
listening to all of them? You must be doing so, or you are not in any position
to make such a (ridiculous) statement.@ GoshJarcia and Veritas
Aequitas:So you think black against while racism is laughable??
Tell that to the white tree trimmer in Detroit who was recently beat up and put
into a coma by an all-black crowd after he hit a black youth who ran out in
front of his truck. He stopped to help him before being viciously attacked by
the black group. He may not live. Not so laughable. Or what about
the Polar Bear games recently being played by inner-city black youth who walk up
behind any unsuspecting white person and try to knock them out with a single
punch. If not, they keep punching until they do. Several victims have died. Yet the media has mostly downplayed both above mentioned incidents. There truly exists a double standard in America where black-on-white
racism is mostly overlooked and unreported.
Punishing someone for pillow talk. Censorship to appease the masses."...the most dangerous enemy of truth and freedom, the solid unmoving
cattle of the majority. Oh, God, the terrible tyranny of the majority."Fahrenheit 451 (1953) by Ray Bradbury
@RSLJAZZBYUUTAH:That it took so long for his real feelings to become
public is a travesty. This is not the first time he has voiced his racist
opinions, not only in private but in public also. He has a 30 year history of
these kind of statements. For example: before the basketball strike, when the
all-star game was in L.A. ... in public ... he stated that he didn't know
why they were striking, that they shouldn't have to pay each player more
than $500,000, and that the players should be grateful for the $500,000 because
none of them could get a job if they weren't playing basketball.There are many other stories, both public and private, that I have heard
regarding this man and his views. This is NOT and isolated event that happened
solely in the comforts of his home.
Ken,Whether or not racism occurs on both sides of the aisle is
irrelevant. Racism has no place within any organization. In a way, as an NBA
owner, he is a representative of the NBA, kind of the same way that an
employer's employees' actions are used to judge the employer. As
such, the NBA had every right - and I believe, every responsibility - to do what
they did. Any employer has the right to fire an employee if the employee is out
of step with the company's values.This isn't a free speech
issue. He has not - nor will be - arrested for expressing his beliefs.
However, there are societal consequences to everything a person does.Personally, I find his statements reprehensible. He wasn't only
expressing a racist attitude, but demanding discrimination and hatred and trying
to exercise unreasonable control over another and her beliefs. Such should not
Now Greg Miller has lined up in full support behind the commissioner. Miller
will now support the forcing of this man to sell his rights and property because
of a private comment. Of course he will. Miller needs to protect his ownership
from being villified by the 24/7 media cycle. He'll just get in line
whether he thinks it wrong or right.It's a new world we live
in. Technology and Political correctness have destroyed the idea of free
thoughts and opinions. No longer do teachers teach from the heart for fear of
being recorded and having their words twisted in the classroom. No longer do
parents parent from their heart for fear of being ridiculed on facebook. Their
kids have more power than they do.I agree with an earlier poster,
where is the media discussion about wiretapping and extortion? The media
portrays this woman as a hero. In reality her actions are far, far more damaging
to society than the thoughts of an 82 year old man who by his actions employs
countless minorities in his organization.
Apparently, as a society, we humans have not come far in embracing each other.
There truly appeared to be progress seen in the past.Isn't that
what we all thought?Is it fear? Why? What is the answer?There
is so much of this hatred and bigotry emerging now. Not only in race relations.
It is so very sad.Our children and grandchildren are watching and
listening. They really do not understand why this is happening.
@ThornBirdsYou probably mean MSNBC right? Weren't they the ones
that was making from of Mitt Romney's adopted black grandson?
I used to drive NBA players around the city when they played the Jazz when I
worked in transportation. I had some pretty big stars in my vehicle. Countless
times they would make race statements about Utah and how it was "too
white" or reminded them of a "kkk convention." They would also make
horrible comments about Mormons and one big name star even said the only good
thing about Utah was defiling "white mormon girls."I still
know who said these things, but I'll never tell. It was said in private and
I respect their right to state their opinions. Never once did I ever think that
saying something in private could result in being forced out of ownership and
property.Every player in the NBA is probably shaking in their boots
right now that somebody like me doesn't have their private comments on
tape, cause they all know they've said far worse than Donald Sterling.
Yes, this incident sounds like Karma for Mr. Stirling.
No talk in the media about the vindictive woman who secretly taped him for the
purpose of extortion. No talk in the media about how this man employs hundreds
of minorities within his organization including 11 black players and a black
head coach, whom he pays millions to. Now the media lynch mob an
lynch mob NBA has banned him from his own property and fined him 2.5 million
dollars for a private discussion in his own bedroom that was in the context of
his relationship with his troubled girlfriend?If John Adams were
alive he would represent this man just as he did the British soldiers in the
Boston Massacre. In the country that Adams helped to found, your private
opinions within the walls of your own home were supposed to be free.A sad day in America. One positive from this is that from the comments I read
in national stories I find that the majority of people feel as I do. There is
not a public outcry as the media is suggesting.
So when the president of the United States of America (barack huessein Obama)
accuses a white police officer of being racists on national television and
radio. Full well knowing he is being recorded. He also criticized the officer
for acting stupidly and along with pointing out that this officer and the all of
the officers of the station have a history of being racists.All of
that turned out to be false. It was the black privileged and entitled professor
that blew the whole thing out of proportion. Refused to identify himself to the
officer (which is the law). The officer was checking on the professors home,
after a neighbor reported it was being broken into. The officer does not know
every single person that lives in every single home of the city. He needed to
verify that the professor was indeed the homeowner.Yet no ban on the
president from his office. Instead the left wing media celebrated with the beer
summit, where he lectured the white officer about how racists everyone that
white is. Barack who grew up with a white mom and family that raised him, while
his black father left him....
The Comish probably demanded that Sterling publicly apologize, and he
refused.If Sterling does not voluntarily sell the Clippers, this
matter will be tied up in arbitration and the courts for years. Meanwhile,
through his shadow assistants Sterling will continue to run the team. No doubt
he will raise the ticket and beer prices and cut salaries of future player
contracts to compensate for the 2.5 million fine and millions in legal fees.
Ultimately, the players, coaches and those who call themselves Clipper Fans will
be the ones who pay.
All else aside, just imagine if we were all judged by what we said in private to
our girlfriends (wives)?
@GoshJarciaTo continue to look back to the past and believe that you
or anybody else should be rewarded for things their great-great grandparents
went through is ridiculous. How will we ever move on as a society if we
don't focus on the present and the future and how to move past those
issues, ensuring that they are never repeated. Reverse discrimination is alive
and well. In fact, I have an 80 page capstone paper about reverse
discrimination and the effects it has had on our country that I completed for my
graduate degree if you would like a copy. Another example might be the ruling
that was just handed down in Michigan about minority students being accepted to
schools based solely on their minority status. That is wrong, and that is
His remarks were despicable. I in now way agree with anything he said But in
America we have a right to be a complete jerk. I don't see how that means
he has to lose his business. I think it is completely appropriate for sponsors,
players and individuals to boycott him. But to lose his business? I guess the
NBA has incredible power over owners. The real punishment will be in the fact
that he will be ostracized from Hollywood and others he clearly wants to be
Josh,There is no more racism in this country against blacks today
than there is against whites. In fact, looking at assaults by blacks against
whites and whites against blacks it very well could be argued that blacks are
more racist than whites.And look no further than affirmative action
supporters who think its ok to deny a white person something for his race but
its not ok to do the same for a black person shows where we stand in the war on
racism. Its flipped from where we were a hundred years ago.
@GoshJarcia,What person living today was forced out out their
country, chained on a boat and sold into slavery?Seems to me no one
has that to cry about today.
This decision by the NBA was a business decision. Being openly racist is just
He can always get a job out on a ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada.
JoshGarcia-- I in no way condone or agree with what was said by this guy but
I'm curious how many generations must pass before we can judge entire
classes of people by their own actions and finally move on?
Yes, he said this in private but it was made public. He has no case for a
lawsuit against the NBA. The NBA is its own governing body and acted with in the
limits of the NBA, doesn't matter how the tapes were released. At the end
of the day Sterling admitted that it was his voice on the tapes, and Silver did
the right thing. He could maybe sue his mistress that released the tapes, but
Sterling should do the honorable thing and that's accept the ban and decide
to sell the team himself instead of having the NBA owners vote to force him out.
Whites in this country can start complaining about racism in this
country when they are forced out of their country, chained on a boat and sold
into slavery, then be completely marginalized by society, have the overwhelming
majority of the prison population be white etc etc etc. Racism against blacks
and other minority groups in this country is real, and alive. Racism against
whites in this country... that's just laughable.
Banned for life from the NBA?Forced to sell his enterprise?Fined 2.5 million for speaking his mind?Yikes.My wife
would like to see me banned for life, if not longer, from the NBA, NFL, MLB for
starters...What this man said is repeated in various forms/forums
each and everyday all across America.The fact that he will be
punished...while others less clumsy go without punishment...makes this guy a
poster child for scapegoating.Until the source of this kind of
thinking is eradicated...nothing will change
Sure, what Sterling said is wrong and messed up, but a lifetime ban and $2.5
million fine is a HUGE overreaction by the NBA. Also, Chris B is absolutely
correct in his comments on this article, to the point where I almost made my
comment simply be "Ditto Chris B". Racism works both ways, and
absolutely should be treated the same no matter whom is racist against whom. It
is just as ugly when blacks are racist against white as when whites are racist
against blacks (or any race against any other race for that matter).
@Chris BWell, to be fair, the earliest documented racism by Sterling was
back in 1983, he had 30 years of being a public racist without punishment.
Let's see if Jay Z can last that long.
It's interesting that Jay-Z recently wore a necklace with a large symbol
from a anti-white group and it barely received any attention.Now
this guy, a prominent Democrat we should add, spouts off and he's banned
for life. Jay-Z was previously a minority owner of the nets and is still
heavily involved in the NBA, including as an agent of several high profile
players.We live in a world where we are hyper sensitive to white on
black racism, but all too often sweep black on white racism under the rug.
I guess we should all be careful what we now say in private. I honestly believe
Sterling might have a case for a law suit, I do not agree with him at all, but
it was something said in private.