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Published: Thursday, April 17 2014 11:14 p.m. MDT

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Objectified
Tooele, UT

Sadly, now that pot has been legalized in some states, other sad stories and incidences like this one will be more and more forthcoming. There is a valid reason why it has been illegal in our country for most of a century before now.
Substances that deflect people away from reality, and understanding how to deal with it are never a good thing.

David
Centerville, UT

Do more liberals or more conservatives support legalization of marijuana? In my opinion, legalization of marijuana is a liberal push and is completely wrong, as this incidence and article demonstrates.

This is just one example of how today's liberalism is misguided and destructive.

So-CalAggie
Park City, Ut

drinking too much alcohol will kill you even w/o jumping out a window. Driving too fast increases your chances of crashing your car, owning a gun increases the likelihood that you will be shot. Eating too much food can cause you to have a heart attack... Shall I go on?

Brent T. Aurora CO
Aurora, CO

See the reference below my name to my state of residence. Embarrassing. If you weren't aware of it, this passed before any specific details were hashed out regarding driving or operating public transportation under the influence (levels), tax rates (revenue being a big "+", packaging guidelines... as well as denial of what is obvious... legalization = popularity and acceptance = more people will use it... people still argue here that only people who were illegally using are now legally using recreationally... realtors are selling homes/moving here promoting pot usage... tourism is booming... and my home is filling up with glazed eyed stoners... people actually arguing that they drive (and fly aircraft, too) more alertly on pot...

Anyway a classic lesson in creating legislation and getting it passed with no long term consideration of consequences. I predict and hope, with stories like this one, when enough people have been hurt or killed, that this law will be severely tweaked.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

David - Libertarians support the legalization of victimless crimes. And so do plenty of other people, including myself.

As a matter of fact, I find it hard to believe that Marijuana would illicit such a response.

"Student ate more pot than recommended before jumping to his death."

But even then, was that the cause of his behavior? It seems unlikely to me.

Plenty of people commit suicide. That has been going on since long before anyone baked a marijuana cookie in Denver.

To blame this act on ingesting marijuana is a big stretch.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

"Oh you conservative whiners.... It's just pot, after all. Gosh, no one will be hurt by a little recreational use. Blah, blah, blah"

Cleetorn
Fuaamotu, Tonga

GaryO, it's really not that big of a stretch to tag a behaviour never before observed to an experience never before practiced. And just because you react to the drug one way does not mean that everyone else will react the same way. That was made quite clear in the article. Or are you smarter than everybody else on the subject?

And “victimless?” How is this a victimless crime? The dead guy certainly is not a victim, is he? I’m sure his friends were not traumatized by the experience. They guy’s family, relatives and friends will feel no loss for his death. Hotel employees, medical personnel and emergency responders deal with this kind of thing on a routine basis. I’m sure it was no big deal to them to watch him fall to his death and have to clean up the mess afterwards.

Be realistic. There is no such thing as a victimless crime.

vangroovin
West Jordan, UT

The problem with passing legislation like this (legalizing pot) is that voters were short-sighted. Those who voted to pass this did not care what the effects of the drug would bring. Slowly it's becoming apparent that it is having devastating, even fatal, consequences. Legal or not, marijuana is still a toxic drug and can and does affect the body in negative ways. This legislation was not a good idea...

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

Good thing marijuana is safe.. Can you imagine what might've happened if he had consumed too much alcohol? Why he might have thrown up and passed out and woke up with a nasty hangover instead. Good thing marijuana use is safe.

kiddsport
Fairview, UT

Part of the argument for passing the marijuana legislation was the mistaken notion (or dare I say misleading/outright lie?) that people only get mellow when high. Most police officers would tell you this type of casualty was foreseen by rational and knowledgeable people.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Big Cougar –

“Good thing marijuana is safe.”

Nothing is “safe.” I guarantee you that water has caused far more deaths than marijuana.

And so have automobiles, religion, ideologies, alcohol, and overconfidence.

Nobody really knows the state of mind of this individual before he ingested marijuana.

Cleetorn –

“There is no such thing as a victimless crime.”

The Libertarian Party platform differs. Look it up. By the way, many more Libertarians voted for Romney than for Obama.

David
Centerville, UT

GaryO

The article also reports a man who shot his wife after taking marijuana. Was this also victimless?

In both instances, the murder of the man's wife, and the young man who threw himself off the hotel balcony, I highly doubt these deaths would have occurred if marijuana had not been consumed.

To trivialize marijuana by comparing it to driving a car, or owning a gun, or eating food is ridiculous.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

David -

As we all know, coincidence alone does equal causality.

Both guys ingested marijuana before behaving badly?

So?

They both put their pants on that day too.

Does that mean that wearing pants causes aberrant behavior? Of course not.

In both cases, we can prove no causality.

We can only speculate.

Maybe one was suicidal and the other was homicidal, and wearing pants had nothing at all to do with their bad behavior.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

GaryO,

Victimless? Tell that to this student’s family.

A substance that:

Is three times as carcinogenic as tobacco

reduces the section of your brain that senses pleasure

contributes to psychosis

reduces your IQ by 10 points

clouds your judgment and dulls your sense

is victimless? WOW!

One could reasonably argue those in favor of legalizing pot have been using it too mauch and are already suffering the effects listed above.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Anecdotal evidence at best, with 14 million daily users (a conservative estimate) and this guys jumps from a balcony and that's evidence of it's dangers?

He took more than he should have, so if it were any other drug this would have been an overdose.

Come on we don't blame the LDS church, when BYU students nearly burn them selves up making gas bombs….sober, do we?

Or when they fall from the ledges above campus after an ice cream at the creamery. Statistically it's the same circumstantial evidence and fallacy of logic.

DC you are incorrect and your evidence is also anecdotal at best.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"Come on we don't blame the LDS church, when BYU students nearly burn them selves up making gas bombs. . . "

Well maybe we should.

If we're going to assign blame, we might as well be consistent and apply the same standards, don't you think?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

HVH

My sources are a DN article in yesterday's print version and the CDC.

the CDC is anecdotal? the research cited in the DN article is anecdotal?

Ice cream clouds the judgment so you fall off ledges?

the LDS church tells BYU students to make gas bombs?

sounds like someone from happy valley is swimming in an Egyptian river

thank you for proving the final statement in my previous post.

Brent T. Aurora CO
Aurora, CO

Reading these comments full of excuses... Fine. Alcohol causes problems with judgement and impairs people. Maybe marijuana is safer. Problem is, as this incident and report suggests, concentrations, tolerances and general use is not at this time well understood. Did pot kill this guy? Outright, perhaps not. But it would seem he was more impaired than expected because, as the vendors themselves are saying and claiming in suggesting that the cookie was meant to be eaten in small pieces, he ate an entire cookie (which would seem by usual standards to be a serving -- most people eat several regular cookies in one sitting).

That sort of impairment with alcohol is supposed to noticed by bartenders, not consumed on the road (and exactly what standard exists for an open wrapped cookie versus an open alcohol container in a car) or with much higher volume consumed at home. The problem again is concentration and ignorance by the masses now doing the "in" thing here in Colorado -- packaging, control, consumer education. They are lacking. And yes, "pot" used by ignorant consumers by fad and on vacation here = injury and death = blame.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

@ GaryO - Virginia Beach, VA - "David - Libertarians support the legalization of victimless crimes. And so do plenty of other people, including myself. As a matter of fact, I find it hard to believe that Marijuana would illicit such a response. "Student ate more pot than recommended before jumping to his death." But even then, was that the cause of his behavior? It seems unlikely to me. Plenty of people commit suicide. That has been going on since long before anyone baked a marijuana cookie in Denver. To blame this act on ingesting marijuana is a big stretch."

GaryO, do you know who is the most lost of anyone?

It's the one who doesn't even know they're lost....

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

If you are supposed to break a cookie up into six pieces and only eat one at a time, that's probably a cookie that shouldn't be for sale.

As for marajuana? I don't think trying to argue about alcohol or tobacco being (supposedly) more dangerous justifies it; I think they're good arguments to outlaw those things, too. Really the best way to set yourself up for success is to just not bother with any of it.

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