@ GaryO and Happy Valley Heretic:If you two really believe that pot
usage doesn't effect people's behavior, then it's possible
someone else has also been using too much of the stuff. Your arguments sound
weak... almost to the point of being desultory prevarications. Not many people
are buying into them.
Ignorance must be bliss because these comments show the same poor reasoning your
assigning to intoxicated people.
If you are supposed to break a cookie up into six pieces and only eat one at a
time, that's probably a cookie that shouldn't be for sale.As for marajuana? I don't think trying to argue about alcohol or tobacco
being (supposedly) more dangerous justifies it; I think they're good
arguments to outlaw those things, too. Really the best way to set yourself up
for success is to just not bother with any of it.
@ GaryO - Virginia Beach, VA - "David - Libertarians support the
legalization of victimless crimes. And so do plenty of other people, including
myself. As a matter of fact, I find it hard to believe that Marijuana would
illicit such a response. "Student ate more pot than recommended before
jumping to his death." But even then, was that the cause of his behavior? It
seems unlikely to me. Plenty of people commit suicide. That has been going on
since long before anyone baked a marijuana cookie in Denver. To blame this act
on ingesting marijuana is a big stretch."GaryO, do you know who
is the most lost of anyone?It's the one who doesn't even
know they're lost....
Reading these comments full of excuses... Fine. Alcohol causes problems with
judgement and impairs people. Maybe marijuana is safer. Problem is, as this
incident and report suggests, concentrations, tolerances and general use is not
at this time well understood. Did pot kill this guy? Outright, perhaps not.
But it would seem he was more impaired than expected because, as the vendors
themselves are saying and claiming in suggesting that the cookie was meant to be
eaten in small pieces, he ate an entire cookie (which would seem by usual
standards to be a serving -- most people eat several regular cookies in one
sitting).That sort of impairment with alcohol is supposed to noticed
by bartenders, not consumed on the road (and exactly what standard exists for an
open wrapped cookie versus an open alcohol container in a car) or with much
higher volume consumed at home. The problem again is concentration and
ignorance by the masses now doing the "in" thing here in Colorado --
packaging, control, consumer education. They are lacking. And yes,
"pot" used by ignorant consumers by fad and on vacation here = injury
and death = blame.
HVHMy sources are a DN article in yesterday's print version and
the CDC.the CDC is anecdotal? the research cited in the DN article
is anecdotal?Ice cream clouds the judgment so you fall off
ledges?the LDS church tells BYU students to make gas bombs?sounds like someone from happy valley is swimming in an Egyptian riverthank you for proving the final statement in my previous post.
"Come on we don't blame the LDS church, when BYU students nearly burn
them selves up making gas bombs. . . "Well maybe we should.If we're going to assign blame, we might as well be consistent and
apply the same standards, don't you think?
Anecdotal evidence at best, with 14 million daily users (a conservative
estimate) and this guys jumps from a balcony and that's evidence of
it's dangers?He took more than he should have, so if it were
any other drug this would have been an overdose.Come on we
don't blame the LDS church, when BYU students nearly burn them selves up
making gas bombs….sober, do we?Or when they fall from the
ledges above campus after an ice cream at the creamery. Statistically it's
the same circumstantial evidence and fallacy of logic.DC you are
incorrect and your evidence is also anecdotal at best.
GaryO, Victimless? Tell that to this student’s family.A substance that:Is three times as carcinogenic as tobacco
reduces the section of your brain that senses pleasure contributes to psychosisreduces your IQ by 10 pointsclouds your judgment and dulls your senseis victimless? WOW!One could reasonably argue those in favor of legalizing pot have been
using it too mauch and are already suffering the effects listed above.
David -As we all know, coincidence alone does equal causality.Both guys ingested marijuana before behaving badly? So?They both put their pants on that day too.Does that mean
that wearing pants causes aberrant behavior? Of course not.In both
cases, we can prove no causality.We can only speculate. Maybe one was suicidal and the other was homicidal, and wearing pants had
nothing at all to do with their bad behavior.
GaryOThe article also reports a man who shot his wife after taking
marijuana. Was this also victimless? In both instances, the murder
of the man's wife, and the young man who threw himself off the hotel
balcony, I highly doubt these deaths would have occurred if marijuana had not
been consumed.To trivialize marijuana by comparing it to driving a
car, or owning a gun, or eating food is ridiculous.
Big Cougar –“Good thing marijuana is safe.”Nothing is “safe.” I guarantee you that water has caused far
more deaths than marijuana.And so have automobiles, religion,
ideologies, alcohol, and overconfidence.Nobody really knows the
state of mind of this individual before he ingested marijuana.Cleetorn –“There is no such thing as a victimless
crime.”The Libertarian Party platform differs. Look it up. By
the way, many more Libertarians voted for Romney than for Obama.
Part of the argument for passing the marijuana legislation was the mistaken
notion (or dare I say misleading/outright lie?) that people only get mellow when
high. Most police officers would tell you this type of casualty was foreseen by
rational and knowledgeable people.
Good thing marijuana is safe.. Can you imagine what might've happened if he
had consumed too much alcohol? Why he might have thrown up and passed out and
woke up with a nasty hangover instead. Good thing marijuana use is safe.
The problem with passing legislation like this (legalizing pot) is that voters
were short-sighted. Those who voted to pass this did not care what the effects
of the drug would bring. Slowly it's becoming apparent that it is having
devastating, even fatal, consequences. Legal or not, marijuana is still a toxic
drug and can and does affect the body in negative ways. This legislation was
not a good idea...
GaryO, it's really not that big of a stretch to tag a behaviour never
before observed to an experience never before practiced. And just because you
react to the drug one way does not mean that everyone else will react the same
way. That was made quite clear in the article. Or are you smarter than everybody
else on the subject?And “victimless?” How is this a
victimless crime? The dead guy certainly is not a victim, is he? I’m sure
his friends were not traumatized by the experience. They guy’s family,
relatives and friends will feel no loss for his death. Hotel employees, medical
personnel and emergency responders deal with this kind of thing on a routine
basis. I’m sure it was no big deal to them to watch him fall to his death
and have to clean up the mess afterwards. Be realistic. There is no
such thing as a victimless crime.
"Oh you conservative whiners.... It's just pot, after all. Gosh, no one
will be hurt by a little recreational use. Blah, blah, blah"
David - Libertarians support the legalization of victimless crimes. And so do
plenty of other people, including myself.As a matter of fact, I find
it hard to believe that Marijuana would illicit such a response."Student ate more pot than recommended before jumping to his
death."But even then, was that the cause of his behavior? It
seems unlikely to me.Plenty of people commit suicide. That has been
going on since long before anyone baked a marijuana cookie in Denver.To blame this act on ingesting marijuana is a big stretch.
See the reference below my name to my state of residence. Embarrassing. If you
weren't aware of it, this passed before any specific details were hashed
out regarding driving or operating public transportation under the influence
(levels), tax rates (revenue being a big "+", packaging guidelines...
as well as denial of what is obvious... legalization = popularity and
acceptance = more people will use it... people still argue here that only
people who were illegally using are now legally using recreationally...
realtors are selling homes/moving here promoting pot usage... tourism is
booming... and my home is filling up with glazed eyed stoners... people
actually arguing that they drive (and fly aircraft, too) more alertly on
pot...Anyway a classic lesson in creating legislation and getting it
passed with no long term consideration of consequences. I predict and hope,
with stories like this one, when enough people have been hurt or killed, that
this law will be severely tweaked.
drinking too much alcohol will kill you even w/o jumping out a window. Driving
too fast increases your chances of crashing your car, owning a gun increases
the likelihood that you will be shot. Eating too much food can cause you to
have a heart attack... Shall I go on?
Do more liberals or more conservatives support legalization of marijuana? In my
opinion, legalization of marijuana is a liberal push and is completely wrong, as
this incidence and article demonstrates.This is just one example of
how today's liberalism is misguided and destructive.
Sadly, now that pot has been legalized in some states, other sad stories and
incidences like this one will be more and more forthcoming. There is a valid
reason why it has been illegal in our country for most of a century before now.
Substances that deflect people away from reality, and understanding how to
deal with it are never a good thing.