I think the President has a point. Hopefully we can stop framing this Republican
vs Democratic debate and realize that we all win when Americans have access to
affordable health care. Its also a relief to see the number of younger people
signing up because of the insurance mandate. I could never quite figure out why
the Republicans were so dead-set against this when it was their idea in the
One thing the critics of this law hate more than anything else, and that is
sucess. We'll start to hear less and less of the critics because all of
their complaints and prophecies are turning out to be the biggest lies
attributed to this landmark legislation.
I don't believe the numbers with so much bungling delays etc of this whole
ACA. So many untruths have been thrown at "We the People." Pardon the skepticism but how do we know this to be so? This debate is NOT
It has nothing to do with Republicans and Democrats and everything to do with
Independent minded Americans that actually like liberty and aren't fooled
by the uniparty that is in power. This is far from over. We the People are in
power and will pull down everything that a Republican or Democrat proposes.
They are the ones that have brought us to the precipice, taken us to war,
started the War on Poverty, and ruined our country! Any Questions about where I
stand along with millions of others? Hope not!
It is amusing to watch the president indulge in his own "Mission
Accomplished" moment. One remembers the confident rhetoric coming from the
White House just before the health care website went online last fall.
Proclaiming victory and declaring the debate to be over at this point is quite
arrogant, especially since most of the controversial provisions of ObamaCare
have yet to take effect (thanks in part to the President's
politically-motivated delays).Especially since an estimated 15-20%
of those signups have not paid any premiums and are not officially insured. In
addition, demographic analysis of those who signed up show there are not enough
young and healthy enrollees to ensure affordable premiums for everyone else.
Finally, no one, not even the White House, knows how many of those enrollees
were previously uninsured.Like his famous "If you like your
plan, you can keep your plan" lie, this latest pronouncement will be the
butt of late-night jokes within a couple of years.
FT- success doesn't come from 8 million people (especially when over 2
million of those are people who were just re-insuring themselves after getting
tossed earlier because of Obamacare) signing up, success will only come if this
program doesn't continually need to be subsidized at our expense. Obama,
said himself that success will only happen if the youth get on board and help
fund this venture. Well, they didn't! Will they next year? Maybe. But even
my older kids didn't buy in, and probably won't. They will wait until
they get coverage from their jobs (maybe, fingers crossed) because they all
believe they are invincible. If the youth won't buy in, the rest of us
middle aged and older will see our premiums skyrocket. And then what?
First off, signing up for an account on the exchange is NOT signing up for
health insurance, let alone signing up for health care as BO disingenuously
stated.Second, glaringly absent from the announcement was any
information on how many have actually paid a premium, which is necessary for
insurance to be in place.Third,Also absent is the percentage
of those who may have actually paid for insurance are getting subsidies.Fourth,Nothing in the WH spin says how many of those people
already HAD insurance.There is a challenge being held in district
court that those signing up on the federal exchange are not eligible for
subsidies because the monstrous act says subsidies are available for those who
sign up on exchanges established by the states; only an IRS ruling decided the
Federal exchange qualified.Just more spin from liars who do nothing
but campaign.Henry,We are dead set against it because we saw
from MA that it does not work. It does nothing to control costs and encourages
graft. We learn from our mistakes - are liberals/dems incapable of learning?
Gee, the know-it-alls claimed there were up to 43 million people without health
insurance. What happened to the other 35 million? Maybe it turns out they kept
their coverage and their doctors. Oh, I forgot, that was a lie too.
Ah the poor Right Wingers struggling to defame Obamacare are so stressed and
conflicted.Conflicted? .. . You ask. Well yes, conflicted.Republicans in Congress stubbornly refused to help design Obamacare. They
refused to represent their voters back home in shaping the MOST IMPORTANT LAW of
century, and now they complain.They complain about Obamacare, and in
doing so, they are complaining about themselves and the hopeless lack of
leadership, political savvy, and common sense in the Republican party.Republicans really do have a LOT to complain about, don't they?
What he doesn't tell you is only about 1.5 million are paying into the
system,while 6.5 million are taking from the system.That is
system setup for failure and massive debt. and almost none of those
6.5 million were uninsured before.So the uninsured are not being
insured. another failure.
Hey Lost in DC -First off, second, third, AND fourth . . . . "8
million signed up for health care" Things are looking up for
America.Isn't it great Obama and the Democrats are ready,
willing, and ABLE to help this nation?Lord knows the Republicans
aren't doing anything for America.
Americans don't believe Obama anymore and yet he believes he can simply
throw out numbers and we'll accept them.Obama needs to open the
books and allow an independent evaluation of how Obamacare is being implemented,
the costs, where we are now, and where we are heading. Until he allows for an
independent verification and evaluation of Obamacare, there will continue to be
a huge group of voters who will doubt, and vote against Democrats in the next
election.Just because Obama says something doesn't make it
true. In fact, we have repeatedly seen the opposite.
Gary o: Is this like the war on poverty that was declared by the Democratic
Party 50 years ago and now after billions of dollars in spending we have more in
poverty and more on food stamps than ever? How right wing do you have to be to
not see those numbers. I mean really, 50 years of failure and still wanting
more from the people who work and pay the bills? Oh, I see, health care will
certainly do as promised and those who actually have paid attention to the
numbers are sticking their heads in the sand and just don't trust our
principled and good hearted politicians. come on. Gary o, just be honest about
the track record of the our government's promises! Health care is just the
latest charade bought hook, line, and sinker by the socialist dreamers, if
people would just trust them with everything! Come, Gary o, just tell me with a
straight face that Washington is a place to place all your hopes and dreams
because, for sure, we all know how remarkable their success has been and how
trustworthy they are! please!
@GaryO"Isn't it great Obama and the Democrats are ready, willing,
and ABLE to help this nation?"If democrats were "ABLE to
help this nation", why haven't they? Obama has doubled our national
debt, attacked our first and second amendment rights, trashed our health care
system, and made much of the American population dependent on the government.
I thought the reason we became a country was so we could have a
better, more free nation than the one we were dependent on. Most politicians
today are not "ready, willing, and ABLE to help this nation", but our
making the situation worse. Our great nation is falling, and I am surprised and
saddened that most of the American people cannot see that.
Why doesn't Obama just come out and say that 40 million people signed up
for it. How would we know any different? The press is doing everything to
cover for his mistakes anyway. This so called landmark legislation began with
one of the biggest Presidential lies in history, and you all know it because it
will be Obamas legacy line.
Hey Banderson -You’re still wrong. The War on
Poverty is not a failure. We have much less poverty now than we had prior to
its implementation, in SPITE of all the lies and misrepresentations put forth
by Paul Ryan and Right Wing faux “News” organizations.Actually, the track record of our government at keeping promises is pretty
good . . . EXCEPT when Republicans are in power. We shouldn’t be
surprised at this. It would be naïve of us to expect decent governance
from government-hating Right Wingers in government positions.
Much like mitts loss, reality is just to harsh to address when it comes the ACA,
it just can't, can't work because the guys on the radio said it
wouldn't. When I read "Americans don't believe Obama
anymore" I think to myself, I've been reading comments from these same
folks who have never believed anything about Obama, literally from his birth. So
it's no surprise what they think, the same thing, always.
It is the private sector insurance companies that are selling the insurance
policies and therefore ultimately the numbers have to come from them, so are
those against ACA saying the American insurance companies are all liars. That
is doubtful, because how would that them. It is more likely that those opposed
to their less fortunate and poorer neighbors receiving ACA health care are
jealous and threatened by others prospering. It makes them feel they will no
longer be as important or superior.
There is more poverty today than ever before in the history of this nation and
Obamacare is a disaster. We have 50 million uninsured and of the 8 Obama says
are insure today which is a lie, none of them were uninsured before....so what
was the point of Obamacare if not to insure the uninsured........thus Obamacare
after 6 months is a compete FAILURE!
To the reviewers. Your double standards on post are unbelievable. There is
nothing in the post which has not been used 100's of times by the
opposition to the ACA. You allow post that call BO or Democrasts liars all the
time. Fair and balanced, you are not!!The GOP and its followers
continue to hate, lie and distort this law. What's the biggest lie of the
ACA was it "you can keep your own insurance (which insurance companies
decided against) or was it death panels or death spirals or deficit busters or
job killers or you name it. I had a client who's wife died of cancer
earlier this year. He had insurance through work but the medical bills far
exceeded the cap and he has to declare bankruptcy. As a life long Republican who
was opposed to ACA he now regrets it. The ACA is going to enrich peoples lives,
make people more responsible, and our society stronger.
GaryOWhy do you continually repeat the untruth that the GOP refused to
participate in the framing of Obamacare? They were EXCLUDED. There is a
difference.It is such a mitigated disaster, though, they should
THANK nancy for excluding them.GaryONO, 8 million did NOT sign
up for health care. They enrolled in an INSURANCE EXCHANGE. An exchange is NOT
health care. Is your case so weak you need to use untruths to defend it?Skeptic,You mean BO is blameless for repeating false numbers?
C’mon, admit he lied – he does it all the time. You’re not
really such a skeptic concerning BO now, are you?FT,Nothing in
the posts against Obamacare that have not been used before – you have a
problem with the truth being repeated?The dems and their followers
continue to hate, lie and distort the GOP.You excuse BO’s lie
about keeping your policy because of what insurers did? What is there about
BO’s emphatic PERIOD! at the end of his promise you do not understand?Obamacare is going to destroy people’s lives and livelihoods, make
people less responsible (let Obamacare pay my premiums), and bankrupt our
barry's numbers include children under their parent's policies....the
lies and distortion never cease with this guy.
To "Henry Drummond" you do know that Obama is cooking the books. The
fact is that the 8 million number is based on all sorts of lies. For example,
the number he is citing now is all of the people listed as needing insurance
through the ACA web sites. This includes people that have signed up for
multiple accounts because their first attempt did not work. The 8 million also
includes children under age 18, which are not part of the goal of 35% between 18
and 34. The number also includes people who have signed up for insurance, but
have not paid for insurance.To "FT" you realize that even
the left wing fact checkers have found that Obama lied when he said that you
could keep your insurance. The ACA does include death panels, they call them
panels to determine the most cost effective treatment that will be covered for
certain illnesses. The CBO says that the ACA will add to the deficit, and they
have even found that it has cut jobs or at least cut the number of hours worked
at many jobs. The GOP has been telling the truth, only liberals refuse to
"There is more poverty today than ever before in the history of this nation
and Obamacare is a disaster."Again, a blatantly false statement.
There is not a single source that can back this up. In 1959.. you remember
the good old days.... there were about 40 million Americans living in poverty.
That was when the US population was 177,829,628. Today we have about 46.2
million in poverty... with a population of above 310 million. So
about doubt the population. But not even close to double the number of poor.
In fact only 15% more.Again..... if you don't like what is
going up..... just go make stuff up seems to be the answer. "ever before in
the history....." Good grief, whats next.
@UtahBlueDevil46 million is grater than 40 million,and
with tens of trillions spent.It is a failure.If the
ratio has changed it is only because of capitalism and the great boom in
technology has employed more people.More welfare would not get you
of poverty, or get you a job,but just make you comfortable in your
poverty.Without jobs even the most educated would be unemployed or
underemployed. Socialist welfare programs do nothing for that.
So Truth.... what you are saying is going from almost 1/3 of the countries
households living below the poverty line, to current rates of about 15%, is a
failure..... all I can say is may we be blessed with many more failures like
this.Listen, I don't think anyone will argue the existing
system is optimal. My wife has taught in public schools in the south here for
many years, and she has seen these families stuck in this cycle up close and
personal. For some time, she was also part of the Guardian ad Litem program. I
used to go with her to check on some of these kids families. Their conditions
were deplorable.What we've got isn't perfect, and needs
improvement - so if there is a better proposal, lets see it. But to pretend
the state of the poor is worse now than say the great depression, is to
Hmm?Fifty million on food stamps. If each food stamp
fed three, that's half our country being government fed.Add the
meals to school children, and those on disability, etc.It appears
more than 15% are below the poverty line.--A nation of increasing poverty.
Take away government assistance and watch the poverty level soar.