@RedShirtUofU - I meant that dress codes are hard to enforce from a legal
standpoint when it's not specific, and most schools aren't specific
enough. They use words like "appropriate" or "inoffensive" and
use ambiguous measurements such as "three fingers" or other units that
are variable. I realize they do this so kids and parents won't have to
break out the measuring tape every morning, but that's also the same reason
we get people who push the limits because it's "close enough..."
More or less, what you're talking about is a uniform.
It appears that when I mentioned "sexual harassment" it may not have
been clear as to what was meant. Sexual harassment is defined by SHRM (Society
of Human Resource Management) as the following:1) Unwelcome sexual
advances;2) Requests for sexual favors;3) Other verbal or physical
conduct of a sexual nature that affects an individuals' employment,
unreasonably interferes with his/her work performance, or creates an
intimidating, hostile, or offensive work environment.Based on that
definition, harassment need not be physical or verbal. It could even be a
picture displayed on someone's desk. It could be an email. It could be
many things including how someone dresses.Sure, people are welcome
to dress how they want, but when it infringes on someone else's ability to
perform their work whether it be emotionally, physically, mentally, etc, they
(the person dressing inappropriately) need to change. Again, this is a matter
of respect for one's self and others. How we dress says a lot about who we
are and what we think of ourselves and others.
I am shocked at how commonplace it is for people to walk around with their
underwear showing. It isn't just the young people who do this. I have
seen plenty of adult women who wear leggings while forgetting to put on their
pants, and men who can't seem to keep their pants up with a belt! I am
equally shocked by some of the statements in the article that lead one to
believe the dress code is arbitrarily enforced. I am a huge fan of uniforms
simply for the fact that fashion changes while the uniform for schools has
@vangroovin"Extreme violations of dress code policies in the workplace
can and sometimes do result in sexual harassment claims."Sexual
harassment leads to sexual harassment claims...
@vangroovin Dress codes are expressly designed to limit freedom,
self-expression, and force conformity, all of which does not respect the rights
of the individual. One should wear clothes they feel comfortable wearing but
also be cognizant of not being offensive, i.e. profanity, etc. Also, take
responsibly for ones actions, if someone cannot control their actions/reactions
based on someones clothing choice they honestly need to work on that character
flaw, we are adults, right?
One difficulty with establishing dress standards is because its impact is
subtle. On the one hand, a boy with long hair or a girl with tight pants
doesn't really seem to change anything if you analyze it as a specific,
isolated case. But when boys regularly have raggy hair and girls regularly wear
clothing that shapes and emphasizes their bodies, there really comes to be a big
difference in how the students and faculty feel, even if they don't realize
it.As for the American flag shirt thing; if displaying the America
flag in America during some other country's holidy is considered
contentious, maybe the people bothered should go to that country.
Modern fashion seems to have only one goal: to make a person appear as ugly as
possibleTattoos everywhere on the body and especially on the face;
clothing with obscene logos or phrases; as little clothing as possible to allow
as much cellulite exposure as possible; or whatever the current sports or
celebrity scandalmaker champion is wearing.I just don't
understand it. Most of us are homely enough without trying to make it even
To "Shawnm750" actually dress codes can be easy to enforce. You pick a
few colors for polo or tee shirts, a few colors for long pants, a few colors for
shorts. Done. If length on the shorts is an issue, you can include a
measurement above the knee that is acceptable. Any teacher will be able to
identify a student that is dressed out of code.
@vangroovin - While you raise some good points, I think you're
oversimplifying the issue. Dress codes are tricky to enforce if their purpose is
to maintain "appropriateness" or even "modesty." Even trying to
define "professional" is difficult. Unless a dress code exists to ensure
safety it becomes a gray area for most institutions or organizations and
defending enforcement can be difficult. Also, I don't think
it's fair to ever place the blame of sexual harassment on someone, simply
for what they were wearing. No matter how scantily clad someone is, that's
not an invitation to someone for inappropriate comments or actions. But I don't disagree with dress codes. Honestly, I think people should
appropriately for the occasion. Once upon a time, people dressed up to go to the
movie theater, school or basically any time they went out in public. While I
don't think we have to dress as fancy as those people used to every time we
leave the house, I think as a society we could all make a little more effort to
look our best when in public, whenever possible.
I think this is an issue of respect: respect of yourself and respect for others.
If you respected yourself, would you dress in a way that would draw unnecessary
attention to your physique? If you respected others, would you dress in a way
that would detract their focus from what they are doing to you? Dress codes
help remind us what is and is not appropriate for our business or school, etc.
The purpose isn't necessarily to prohibit "freedom of expression /
speech" but to facilitate an environment of respect through minimizing
distractions. Extreme violations of dress code policies in the workplace can
and sometimes do result in sexual harassment claims. Young children may not
file a claim, but they may feel uncomfortable around someone who is dressing
inappropriately. Why would that individual not be allowed to feel respected and
comfortable in class?