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Published: Monday, April 14 2014 11:13 p.m. MDT

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MichaelNomo2
Here, UT

@Moontan -
I'm not sure where you're getting that fallacy from. Let's take a look at the definition of intolerance (from Merriam Webster) -- unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights. Seems spot on to me. I'm not sure how you could argue that point. Are you sure that you want to argue logic?

I'm not sure how you can compare marriage to getting a gold medal from the ITU. Seems like you're reaching. So outside of the religious aspect of marriage, what is it that you feel that you are entitled to that non-heterosexuals aren't? I guess you feel that you're entitled to a gold medal because you happen to be sexually attracted to a member of the opposite sex? (I assume that you're a heterosexual, as am I) That same logic was used to oppose interracial marriage in the earlier days of the church.

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

@Michael and @Ranch ... This is my last post allowed, so let me cut to the chase. I'm a religious man who happens to support SSM; who believes Biblical prohibitions against homosexuality reflect cultural prejudices of the day. My past in law enforcement & later in hospital admin (when AIDS hit) tell me no man chooses the lifestyle.

All I am saying here is that before we accuse people of hate, we should see that they are indeed ... hating. A stand against SSM in and of itself does not indicate hatred. Hiring a Caucasian over a minority does not in and of itself indicate racism. Before we accuse people of the lowest of behaviors, let's make sure they are really in the gutter. From Pianoman's post I can logically conclude that he is for traditional marriage and against SSM. I cannot conclude that he hates gays or is intolerant of them, or of the SSM argument, solely by that one post. Several commentators made that conclusion; I cannot. This is my only point.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Pianoman
"ironically said by the man who intolerantly dismisses the religious view of traditional marriage."

Obama has given no indication that he opposes churches being able to choose to only practice "traditional marriage" in their churches/temples/mosques/etc.

@Moontan
"Does abiding by the traditional definition of marriage mean I am intolerant of redefinition's? "

Yes, it does. Now, one might be able to argue that being intolerant of ____ is okay like not giving first place medals to a runner like yourself or myself, but that's a separate matter. Personally, I think leaving it how it is in your churches is acceptable but trying to apply that rule nationally (or statewide) is more...imposing.

@Ranch
"It has NEVER excluded same-sex couples - many ancient cultures allowed it - so there is no "redefinition" of the word taking place."

Few and far between and it'd never been recognized in the U.S. I'm not buying the "never excluded" idea. I guess my argument is... what's wrong with "redefinition"? We've redefined marriage in our laws, allowing interracial marriage, ending the laws that practically treated women like property (I forget the term)...

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

"Religious intolerance has no place in our society" really Mr. Obama? Then why does it seem as if you dislike Christian Values that people believe in so much. I would say that you are the intolerant one.

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

It would appear that some people are confusing disagreement with intolerance. What a shame! The extremist attitude of "you must think like I do or else you are clearly hateful and intolerant" is one of the darkest forces attacking our nation in the present day.

We are stronger as a nation when our citizens recognize that position and motive are not one and the same.

GB
Silver Spring, MD

Wow, there are lots of commenters disagreeing with the views of religious people. By their definitions, that means they hate religious people and are intolerant of them. However, I don't agree with their definitions; I doubt they actually hate or are intolerant of religious people. I hope we can all stop using such charged words and communicate respectfully, as we almost certainly would if we were face to face.

Demiurge
San Diego, CA

It is interesting that those who would be concerned about laws singling out Mormons are some of the quickest to support laws against gays.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Obama called on the religious leaders to 'keep coming together across faiths to combat the ignorance and intolerance . . . .'"

Oh, we will.

Including the liberal ignorance and intolerance that mocks and dismisses the concerns of real people that bloated, unaccountable government now deems it acceptable to force people of faith to embrace doctrines and practices that are contrary to the holy writ of their religious faith.

We will continue to combat Obamacare's anti-religious mandates. We will continue to combat the unconstitutional mandates instituted by the regime's vote-buying LGBT apologists. We'll continue to combat the ignorance and intolerance that convinces Obama-supporting radicals that it's permissible to buy votes from radical tree huggers by driving the real people of traditional agriculture from their lands and livelihoods. We'll continue to combat the ignorance and intolerance that assures low information voters a subsidized life and a capitulative peace at the price of chains and slavery.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Excuse me folks, but I'd like to remind you that this article is not about same-sex marriage, but the killing of three innocent people at two Jewish community centers and our President's pledge of support to their grieving families. Maybe we could stop the partisan bickering for a couple hours and condemn what happened.

David
Centerville, UT

I applaud the President for stating that religious intolerance has no place in our society. We must allow people the freedom to express their faith, and live their religion.

"Among the most inestimable of our blessings is that...of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support" (Thomas Jefferson, 1807).

rhappahannock
Washington, DC

Religious liberty should extend to those not willing to violate their conscience by supporting gay marriage, including bakers, photographers, and owners of bed-and-breakfasts. It seems that the gay astroturfers are out in force in this article, trying to squash religious liberty.

I think gay marriage supporters are in denial that the man boy love association exits, and has existed for 40 years. Abuse has happened by gay priests, gay scout leaders, gay coaches, and gay teachers. Why should society support child abuse?

Finally, it would be nice to see recognition of the gay persecution of Rev. Charles McIlhenny in San Francisco. Both his church and home have been vandalized and firebombed by gay activists, and he and his family have received numerous death threats. Perhaps Obama would like to also recognize persecution suffered by Rev. McIlhenny when he talks about supporting religious liberty.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Pianoman points out obamas evolving attitude towards traditional marriage. I did not read anything about pianoman hating a group of people. It was the intolerant and hateful commenters that can't stand it when someone says they support traditional marriage. That is all that was said. How is it hateful to support marriage between a man and a woman?

Had it been said that he supported co-habitation would that have been hate driven also?

I support traditional marriage. Now it's your choice how you will treat me. Prove me wrong or prove me right. However, it would be refreshing to be proven wrong by your words and actions.

It is still a free country where people are allowed to take up positions and express those opinions freely. Even with recent democrat and republican efforts to start censoring peoples opinions. Especially when those opinions go against those in office.

rhappahannock
Washington, DC

Here are some people who have suffered religious persecution recently: Olympic gold medalist Peter Vidmar, Elaine Huguenin, Aaron and Melissa Klein, Jack Phillips, and Javascript inventor Brendan Eich. However, there are also others who have had to endure much greater persecution. Chuck and Donna McIlhenny of San Francisco have had their church and home firebombed, and were lucky to escape with their lives. Any guess as to who is persecuting these people for their religion?

Obama does well to talk about supporting religious liberty. But, is he really willing to side with those who stand for conscience?

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

@rhappanock, legalizing same-sex marriage will not legalize child abuse and the firebombing of homes.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

“Nobody should have to worry about their security when gathering with their fellow believers,” Obama told religious leaders at the White House for the annual Easter prayer breakfast. “No one should ever have to fear for their safety when they go to pray.”
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A timely Easter/Passover message that good people don’t allow to be drowned out by angry shouting voices. As Jesus often said, he who has ears to hear, let him hear.

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

[“Nobody should have to worry about their security when gathering with their fellow believers,” Obama told religious leaders at the White House for the annual Easter prayer breakfast. “No one should ever have to fear for their safety when they go to pray.]

idk....maybe Pianoman was just one of those made to fear when trying to worship in CA following Prop 8?

Ranch
Here, UT

@Liberal Ted;

It isn't hateful to support "traditional marriage" (heck, even I support that). It is hateful to deny others the benefits you enjoy via marriage though. You can have your "positions" but you can' t use them to deny others basic equality.

@GB;
Religious people can have their views. They can't force non-religious people to live by them by legislating away the rights of others.

@rhappahannock;

Religious liberty does not give you the right to violate the law. There is NOT ONE scripture that tells you to refuse to do business with those you consider "sinners". Not one. You aren't being a good Christian when you refuse to treat others the way you would be treated yourself (as Christ commanded you to do).

Why did you complain only about "gay" abusers and not the straight ones? Far, far more children have been abused by heterosexuals than gays.

Why don't you list religious people persecuting LGBT? That list is extremely long.

Chris A
Salt Lake , UT

This article wasn't even about homosexuality but since everyone wanted to talk about it.... Just because a country or culture allows same-sex marriage will never make it ok.

1978
Salt Lake City, UT

"Does allowing marriage equality infringe on anyone's rights? No, it does not."

Please explain that to the baker in Colorado and photographer in New Mexico.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

This is great news that he said that. I am glad that he has finally come to his senses. The fact that he seems to have taken a hard turn to the right when it comes to freedom of conscience is down right chilling.

So I presume that he will shortly do the following to show that he's serious:
1) Apologize to the minister that the White House excluded from the Inauguration because of his views on traditional marriage,
2) Announce an attorney general investigation of laws in Oregon, New Mexico and other places that are forcing Christian business owners to violate their beliefs,
3) change the contraception mandate so that companies owned by religious people do not have to violate their beliefs,
4) apologize for having the head of the mis-named Human Rights Campaign on his re-election campaign,
5) Investifate how the donor list of the National Organizatiom of Marriage which was given to the IRS ended up with the mis-named Humam Rights Comapaing,
6) Investigate if Mozilla broke any federal civil rights laws when they fired their CEO.

I am looking forward to his change of heart.

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