Comments about ‘Bureau of Land Management to pursue effort to end dispute with Nevada rancher’

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Published: Sunday, April 13 2014 8:11 p.m. MDT

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Phillip M Hotchkiss
Malta, Mt

We The People one, big government zero

Outside-View
Federal Way, WA

I understand the desire to avoid a tragic injury or death resulting from this even but I dont see how this is much different that allowing a person not to pay income taxes becuase they claim the constitution doesnt specifically allow for that.

I know the BLM issues rules that people dont like but how can Republicans claim the importance of "rule of law" in immigration cases, but support this rancher when he doesnt obey he rule of law by not paying his legitamate grazing fees?

If those fees werent paid soon I would think this rancher has forfeted any "right" he had to graze cattle on Public land.

I guess we will see what the BJM comes up with.

The Reader
Layton, UT

It seems a bit hypocritical of Bundy to cite his Mormon ancestors and then flout the law by not paying the Federal Government for grazing his cattle of federal land as many law abiding citizens have done so for many many years. His Mormon ancestors must be very upset by his disobeying the law of the land which is one of the 13 Articles of Faith central to the beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He is certainly not living up to the beliefs of his ancestors.

worf
Mcallen, TX

The BLM has many disputes to fix.

BJ61
South Jordan, UT

Anarchists/Law Breakers 1: USA 0

BJ61
South Jordan, UT

Can I drive cattle down an interstate freeway anytime I so desire? No. Can I skip paying my property taxes because the school district those taxes support was created after my ancestors first established residences here? No. Can I use the airport landing strips for a drivers education school that I want to run as my business and interfere with airport operations? No. Can I dump toxic waste on public or private land to avoid the cost of disposing of it properly? No. All of those actions are illegal. When it comes to Mr. Bundy's default on grazing fees and the actions of his self-appointed militia, what part of illegal doesn't he and his militia understand?

Southern
Phoenix, AZ

This isn't about the grazing fees. It's about a decades-long bid by the U.S. govt and "environmental" groups to remove ranchers from western rangeland. The only reason Cliven is still around, ironically, is because he stopped paying the range fees to the BLM (he paid them to Clark County instead until they eventually stopped accepting them).

53 other ranchers in Clark County have been driven out of business or forced to sell out by the BLM. This is because they continued paying the fees, and the feds continued turning the screws on them (fewer and fewer cattle allowed, more restrictions). Cliven Bundy is literally the last rancher standing. And he's only standing because he defied the bureaucrats all these years.

So you see it's not about the range fees.

SAS
Sandy, UT

Time and time again, I hear arguments about how the West would be better off if federal lands were relinquished to state control, or privatized outright. Let's imagine what would happen to Mr. Bundy in that case:

--If I don't pay the property taxes on my property, I'll have a lien on my property, or even have it sold at a tax sale.
--If I don't pay rent to my landlord, I'll get evicted, and nasty things will happen to my credit.

Yet Bundy has been running his cattle on public land--making money from land owned by every American--without paying a penny in rent. For twenty years. And when, after entirely too much patience, the feds take action, Bundy becomes Robin Hood and the militia crowd goes nuts.

Tell me how this differs from the Welfare-queen-on-government-cheese stereotype the Republicans love to throw around?

SAS
Sandy, UT

Bundy wraps his mooching in talk of heritage, and how his family has been ranching since the 1870s.

But the land was federally owned, before Nevada (or Utah) became states. (In fact, the vast majority of land titles in the US go back to the federal government.) Mr. Bundy's ancestors, had they so chosen, could have bought the lands from the government outright for $1.25 per acre. Or they could have filed homestead claims, and received the land free of charge. Many Utahns and Nevadans did just that.

But instead, they ran their livestock on the unclaimed public land. (Why buy the ground when you can graze the cow for free?) Mr. Bundy's ancestors may have known that it wasn't their property, but Bundy seems to have conveniently forgotten this fact.

The land belongs to all Americans, and all Americans have an equal say--through their elected representatives--in how it is managed. If Bundy disagrees with that management, fine--he can write his congressman, or let other citizens know about his plight. But he's not above the law, no matter how many gun nuts crawl out from under rocks to support him.

Elwood P. Suggins
BEAVERTON, OR

Whatever happens, we know the BLM will try to ruin the Bundy family.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Yet another "Conservative" ripping off the people of the United States.

It never ends, does it?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

GaryO. The issue isn't who is ripping off the government but why we allow the government to rip off the people (those who pay taxes)! Government waste, corruption, lies, bullying, and losses of personal freedoms are on the increase if you haven't noticed. We teach our children not to be bullies and not to be bullied but how do we teach the government not to bully us? We vote out the big government liberals who always rip off taxpayers in November!

Flashback
Kearns, UT

That Mrowka guy is the one inflaming people with talk like that.

This whole thing came about because the Chinese want to set up a solar energy farm in the area and their main sponsor in the Congress, one Senator Harry Reid, is behind that effort. His son is the legal representative for that company and my guess is that a lot of money has changed hands. That solar farm will do more to harm the turtle than a few cows. Besides, the turtles eat cow dung.

If that land has been used by the Bundy's for so long, then they do have some claim on it. Them and to gubment need to reach a reasonable accomodation. There isn't alot going on in that part of Nevada that doesn't border the Virgin River. Get a half mile away and there is nothing.

worf
Mcallen, TX

We're $700,000, for each second of a year, in debt. This is above the taxes we already paid.

And for some people, the outrage is over grazing fees?

Really pathetic!

John S. Harvey
Sandy, UT

Good Grief, the federal government should do exactly the same thing that was done to end the Shays Rebellion in 1786 and 1787 - when these folks refused to pay their past due taxes and organized a rebellion eventually the troops were sent in. This rancher is 20 years behind on his legally due fee payments. He is mooching off public land, and he and his supporters have threatened federal officers trying to discharge their legal responsibilities.

Lock him up and throw away the key.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Mounanman - Wrong.

Public land belongs to the public. If a rancher wants to graze cattle on that land, then he must pay the public.

He's been cheating us for 20 years.

I want our money . . . NOW.

"Conservative" thieves are consuming public resources like a ravenous, uncaring horde of Mormon Crickets intent on fattening themselves at the expense of everyone else.

Right Wingers can destroy. That's their forte. And they can talk up a storm. But they lack the integrity and ethics and dedication required to actually help this nation.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Gary O is fine with government wasting taxpayer money, intruding on personal liberties and being totally unaccountable to taxpayers but he wants "OUR" (translation= HIS government money NOW!...LOL

worf
Mcallen, TX

Let me get this straight!

Our government went to an American rancher with armed men, and took 400 cows.

The same government who now owns most of the houses in this country.

Does it really matter if Bundy owes back taxes, that the government can use armed snipers, and take property away from citizens? Our leaders doing this to its citizens?

What's scary, are some people don't see anything wrong with this, and actually support it.

Fifty three other Nevada ranchers have already been booted out.

worf
Mcallen, TX

@GaryO:

You want your money now? Not tomorrow?

Go after Obama. He's taken hundreds of millions from us for personal vacations, and presents for his wife.

This is not part of his presidential wage.

Leave Bundy alone, and go after the bigger pay off. Washington is full of money wasters.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@SAS
"Tell me how this differs from the Welfare-queen-on-government-cheese stereotype the Republicans love to throw around?"

Dude's white.

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