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House passes Ryan budget; promises balanced federal ledger in 10 years

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  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    April 11, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    DNews says: "The 219-205 vote on the budget outline takes a mostly symbolic swipe at the government's chronic deficits."

    And so goes it with the Republican teapartiers; "mostly symbolic."

    It would be nice if they'd get to work on negotiation and cooperation.

    The way they do the business of the U.S. Congress is to say "Our way or no way!"

    But eventually citizens and voters will see them for what they are: obstructionists.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    April 11, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    @ GaryO,

    Newsflash! The only thing your quote from the CBO and Forbes did was compare Obama's spending from his first entire year in office to his latest. So yes, Obama was forced to spend less money this last year with a Republican House of Representatives than he did in his first year with democrats controlling both houses of Congress, leaving no one to keep his spending in check. It's nice that Republicans have forced him to do better. And it's nice that you noticed and even pointed that out.

    If you check the numbers more carefully, you'll notice Obama's smallest annual federal deficit (this latest budget year) was the only one not bigger than Bushes highest budget deficit in his 8 year tenure. Most of Obama's deficits have actually been over twice has high as Bushes highest deficit. As such, you should be careful about making monetary number comparisons between the two. In truth, Obama has added more to our federal budget than any other president in our nation's history. In fact, more than any series of presidents in history. No else was even close to Obama's dubious distinction.

    Not Republitalk... just facts.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 11, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    @ GaryO;

    Cherry pick quotes all you want. It doesn't impress anyone... and especially not me.
    So if you like your out-of-context stats, you can keep them. Period!
    Are you vying for one of those Washington Post Pinocchio awards, just like president Obama received?
    Some of your claims make it really seem so.

    At least you've shown you finally understand what a trillion dollars is. That's actually progress.
    Now go explain it to Obama, since he doesn't seem to understand big numbers whatsoever.

    Do yourself a favor and research how many big name democrats voted for the war with Iraq.
    That list also includes the probable democrat for the next presidential election... Hillary Clinton.

    One other thing... Obama's stimulus package didn't accomplish nearly as much as he promised it would. It fell far short in all the economic reports. As such, it was mostly considered a waste, especially since much of those funds weren't directed properly and still remain unaccounted for. Nothing to brag about there.

    Again, ultra-liberalism seem to keep too many people blinded to truth and reality. But there still may be hope for you.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    Keep the Obamacare taxes and Medicare cuts while getting rid of everything people liked about Obamacare? Sure, why not, it's not like conservatives will actually read the details of how Ryan made his budget...

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    April 11, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    Gary O

    To quote you "compared to the size of the economy" Well, news flash, the economy stinks, and has continued to do so even with Obamas stimulus. There is no article in any magazine that can account for the massive addition to the national debt that Obama has caused. You deal with that. And the added 500 billion going on to it this year, before trying to talk, or magazine article, your way out of the lack of progress Obama has made. Not much time left for Obama and the Dems. Being a left winger is going to be very difficult pretty soon, because America seems to finally be waking up.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 11, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Hey Tators –

    Republitalk is all ya got?

    The Congressional budget office said this in 2013:

    “Compared to the size of the economy, the deficit in 2013 is much lower than in 2009, when Obama took office. The deficit will be 5.3 percent of gross domestic product this year, nearly half the 10.1 percent of GDP in 2009.”

    Oh that’s right, you don’t trust the CBO because it’s part of the Federal government. But Forbes magazine said the same thing. I guess Forbes must be turning Commie too.

    Speaking of waste, the 500 million that went to Solyndra pales in comparison to say . . . . The trillions GW spent on his phony WMD-inspired Iraq war.

    FYI, a trillion dollars is a MILLION MILLION dollars. With Solyndra, we’re talking millions. With GW’s wars, we’re talking TRILLIONs. Which do you think is more wasteful?

    The stimulus package helped pull us out of the hole GW and his Republican wise men dug for us. It also lowered taxes for 95% of Americans.

    And you’re saying that’s a bad thing? Being a Right Winger must be very taxing emotionally.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 11, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    @ GaryO:

    If you weren't so blinded by your ultra-liberalism, you'd realize where the biggest waste in government spending is. Obama has increased the size of the federal government by 40% since taking office, while the population has increased about 8%. And as everyone knows, no other entity in our country is more wasteful and less efficient as the federal government is. No one!

    BTW: If it weren't for the conservative House of Representatives, Obama might've doubled government size by now.

    And speaking of waste, what about the $500,000,000 tax-payer Obama literally gave to Solaris (or whatever it's name was) just 2 years before they went bankrupt? Total waste!

    Or concerning the $835,000,000,000 stimulus package Obama spent early in his presidency... 4 years later and over a third of it still remains unaccounted for. No one officially knows where it went or what happened to it. Wow... pretty hard to top that one when talking about waste in government spending.

    Please don't let your ultra liberal ideology continue blinding you to what's really been happening. It continues happening around us every day and it's not pretty.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    April 11, 2014 7:05 a.m.

    Quit burdening the people in taxes making the federal government be everyone's nanny; the list of nations that have tried it and failed is staggering.

    Power in the people: Families, then communities, then cities, then counties, then states, then the federal government. It's how the United States became the one superpower of the Earth in under two centuries, and it's the socialist taint that has been slipped in over the 20th century that's impeded that prosperity. If the government really wants to help everyone, stop with the failing and debt-perpetuating federal programs and work on strengthening the family unit.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    April 11, 2014 7:00 a.m.

    Twin Lights

    How about we use a little logic. In spite of how one crunches the numbers, when Presidents claim to have cut government, that always comes from military cuts. And despite that, there is no way Obama has anything close to small government when he has added 7 trillion to it in 5 years. Prior to that the amount of debt, from Washington to Bush was 10 trillion. Now it's 17 trillion. You do the math. If that kind of spending represents "small" government, then what would be big government? 20 trillion? Well that's where were headed if it isn't stopped soon. Either by the Republicans, or decent Democrats who really see the danger, or by a world wide economic collapse when the American dollar becomes inflated to look like the 1930's German Mark.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2014 6:39 a.m.

    Class warfare at its' finest!

    Everybody arguing about who's going to pay for THEIR healthcare. Nothing at all about actually lowering healthcare costs.

    But back to the Ryan "budget" - its' not worth the paper its' printed on. Its' going nowhere! It helps keep Paul Ryan in the news, but thats' about it!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 11, 2014 5:58 a.m.

    ""Affordable" Care Act did nothing to make healthcare less expensive - it just changed who pays the bills."

    And exactly how did it do that? When an elderly person fell and broke their hip, and showed up at the emergency room door, and the hospital rendered legally required medical stabilizing services... who do you think paid that bill before ACA? Do you think those cost to the health care system were just absorbed?

    With ACA, for better or worse, there is at least an accounting line for these expenses. They are not cost that are just passed on to other patients in the form of higher fees for every other service. The ACA exposes the real cost of these services. These aren't new expenses....just now exposed expenses to the system.

    We can either deal with these realities, or just burry our heads in the sand again and pretend they don't exist.

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    April 11, 2014 5:55 a.m.

    Balanced in 10 years ... if the fiscal system doesn't collapse on itself before then.

    How about Congress doing their job NOW, rather than asking the House 5 terms from now to do so?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 11, 2014 5:50 a.m.

    When House and Senate members are willing to resend their own retirement medical packages that are funded by the tax payers, and commit to living on the same medicare and medicaid packages they afford everyone else, I will respect their decision. But until that point, anytime they ask for the general public to sacrifice what they themselves are willing sacrifice, I see this a political hypocrisy.

    There is no doubt that the budget needs to come under control. But the notion that the nation can lower taxes enough to create a balanced budget is ill founded. We live in a global economy where taxes no longer will drive global markets, and job growth. There will always be a location with lower taxes, lower wages, and lower cost structures.

    If taxes were really that much of a driver, no one would live in California or New York... and yet those two states have economies that crush more frugally minded states. Mega rich like Larry Ellison aren't fleeing to low tax states.

  • Dave T in Ogden Ogden, UT
    April 11, 2014 5:41 a.m.

    There is one basic, yet very important element missing in this budget proposal and that is input from the people that will be affected by this.
    I heard a General once say is that even if you want to install clean water systems in a third world country, you must first ask the locals for input. Otherwise, it will be met with extreme resistance. Many times through these meetings, the outsiders will see why they do certain things by the locals that should be addressed.
    Let's also face it, we humans are resistant to change. There is definitely a thing called momentum to where like turning a big ship 180, it will take lots of energy and time to do so. We live in a representative democracy... Though with the latest ruling on campaign money contributions can be unlimited, the average American will see less of this representative democracy. Thus any good ideas Americans may have will never get to the representatives. Thus we may never know good concepts to turn our nation around...

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 10, 2014 9:59 p.m.

    Actually sergio, I think you're the one who doesn't understand the concept of insurance. When one person takes out more than they put in, the rest of the group soften the blow. But when everybody takes out more than they put in, the system goes bankrupt. That's exactly what's happened with Medicare, and that's exactly why the ACA is worthless - because nothing actually got cheaper.

    Ed Grady, I noticed among your witticisms that you didn't answer my question. When you've used up your portion of the entitlement, are you going to stop spending against it? Or are you going to start using mine?

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    April 10, 2014 9:17 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin, You must not understand the concept of insurance. If you have any paid insurance and you have a legitimate claim in the amount of more than what you have paid in premiums: have. You cheated or robbed the other insurance holders. Think, why do people buy and pay for insurance.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    April 10, 2014 9:15 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin:

    You have no idea how much I've paid in Medicare taxes. Maybe you're projecting your lack of payment to others?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 10, 2014 8:26 p.m.

    @EdGrady

    The problem with your "entitlement", Ed, is that you're going to take out of it more than you put in, just like everyone else. The first time you fall and break your hip your hospital bill will be more than you paid into medicare throughout your entire life. And why is that? Because the "Affordable" Care Act did nothing to make healthcare less expensive - it just changed who pays the bills.

    Enjoy your entitlement, Ed, but remember that your entitlement ends where everyone else's begins. I take it you'll check yourself out of the hospital when your entitlement runs out, right?

  • Reader81 SLC, UT
    April 10, 2014 6:42 p.m.

    @ Patriot: There is a point when there is need for government help. For example, I work with families who are trying hard to improve their situation through "discipline, hard work, and sacrifice." Many of them are trying to rise out of poverty, but college will not become a reality without government help/outside support. This is not because they are "government health drug addicts," but because they haven't been blessed in their lives with things we may take for granted. Maybe those who label others as lazy leeches don't fully understand walls and barriers. Especially if they have always lived a middle/upper class lifestyle.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    April 10, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    What i'm confused about is why it's so bad to give people subsidies under the ACA, but Paul Ryan is ok giving them to people on Medicare?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    April 10, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    The best financial news America could receive; a balanced budget. Democrats will not support any budget that forces the government to live within its means.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    April 10, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Keep your dirty hands off my Medicare. When I retire, I will have paid 50 years worth of Medicare taxes, so yes, it is an entitlement. I'm entitled to Medicare, because I paid for it. Is it really that hard to understand?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 10, 2014 4:23 p.m.

    It seems that all the Tea-Party-infested House of Representatives can do is waste money and resources while accomplishing NOTHING for the nation.

    That's modern American "Conservatism" for you.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    April 10, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    When the Washington and state politicians start cutting their salaries and benefits and focus on controlling political corruption, waste, abuse and corporate lobbing, then perhaps the voters will start taking them seriously . Until then they are part of the major problem.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    April 10, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    Paul Ryan grew up on public support. He should know the value of education grants and Social Security, because these are what gave him his start.

    "And many more things did {Korihor] say unto them, telling them that...every man fared in this life according to the management of the creature;therefore every man prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime."

    Wisconsin has a proud tradition of find public servants, but we also gave this country Joseph McCarthy. This fall, vote your choice, but get informed before you choose.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    April 10, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    Check our an article in Forbes (hardly a liberal rag) titled "Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?" by Rick Ungar. Makes an interesting case for those about to jump of the lemming cliff due to the current situation.

    No. Not a defense. Just a reality check. We need to move forward in a way that is bipartisan and will actually get something done.

    Pyrrhic victories will burn us all.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    FT,
    Obamacare is deficit neutral? Been spending a lot of time in Colorado, I see.

    it may be neutral if you believe hary reid's math - 6 years of expenses against 10 years of revenues - that's a 40% revenue short-fall for anyone who has passed 1st grade math. apparently harry hasn't, or figures those who support him haven't.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 10, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    "Even though it would repeal the Affordable Care Act's benefits, Ryan's plan would preserve its tax increases and cuts to providers, including cuts to private insurers under the Medicare Advantage program. Republicans have attacked Democrats over the Medicare cuts used to finance the new health care law."
    So as I read between the lines, this budget takes the Democrat's tax increases and medicare cuts that made the ACA deficit neutral and shifts them to increase defense spending. The same increases and cuts that they claimed would damage the economy and hurt the poor. While I'm in favor of balancing the budget I'm skeptical of politicans that speak out of both sides of their mouths.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    April 10, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    Trying to save our country from eventually going into bankruptcy is not "totally out of touch with the priorities and values of the country"... as the democrat senator in the article says.

    Why the democrats and present administration somehow think that continuing to spend approximately a half trillion dollars a year more than our country takes in is a good idea is beyond the sensibilities of any objective, reasoning person.

    How long would any family last that spends 30% more than it makes year after year? It wouldn't be long until that family would be in forced bankruptcy and perhaps even deal with the effects of going to debtors prison. And to have an entire country doing that exact same thing is just magnifying that problem by approximately 100 million times. Unbelievably bad!

    It's absolute idiocy and lunacy to not realize the economic issues that will soon be confronting this country if substantial budgeting and spending changes aren't quickly forthcoming. We will soon be paying more in interest on our debt than for anything else in the budget. The day of reckoning is not that far away if Washington DC doesn't soon wake up.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 10, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    America is like a drug addict and can't exist without the next fix. People in this country have long sense turned their lives over to government and certainly the masses can't even survive without their entitlements of food stamps + free healthcare + fradulant disabliity payments etc... It's not that they can't exist but like a drug addict it takes self disciple and hard work and sacrifice to kick the habits and it is easier to just take the free stuff and let somebody else pay for it...that is as long and the money lasts...which won't be long....just ask Greece. Ryan is doing this for symbolic reasons and good for him but so long as their is a Democrat in control of the White House there will NEVER be any sort of reduction of entitlements. The Santa Claus party has established itself until the money runs out and China calls for our loans but that won't be for a few more years and until then let the good times role! America is finished as an economic leader.