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Published: Thursday, April 10 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

America is like a drug addict and can't exist without the next fix. People in this country have long sense turned their lives over to government and certainly the masses can't even survive without their entitlements of food stamps + free healthcare + fradulant disabliity payments etc... It's not that they can't exist but like a drug addict it takes self disciple and hard work and sacrifice to kick the habits and it is easier to just take the free stuff and let somebody else pay for it...that is as long and the money lasts...which won't be long....just ask Greece. Ryan is doing this for symbolic reasons and good for him but so long as their is a Democrat in control of the White House there will NEVER be any sort of reduction of entitlements. The Santa Claus party has established itself until the money runs out and China calls for our loans but that won't be for a few more years and until then let the good times role! America is finished as an economic leader.

Objectified
Tooele, UT

Trying to save our country from eventually going into bankruptcy is not "totally out of touch with the priorities and values of the country"... as the democrat senator in the article says.

Why the democrats and present administration somehow think that continuing to spend approximately a half trillion dollars a year more than our country takes in is a good idea is beyond the sensibilities of any objective, reasoning person.

How long would any family last that spends 30% more than it makes year after year? It wouldn't be long until that family would be in forced bankruptcy and perhaps even deal with the effects of going to debtors prison. And to have an entire country doing that exact same thing is just magnifying that problem by approximately 100 million times. Unbelievably bad!

It's absolute idiocy and lunacy to not realize the economic issues that will soon be confronting this country if substantial budgeting and spending changes aren't quickly forthcoming. We will soon be paying more in interest on our debt than for anything else in the budget. The day of reckoning is not that far away if Washington DC doesn't soon wake up.

FT
salt lake city, UT

"Even though it would repeal the Affordable Care Act's benefits, Ryan's plan would preserve its tax increases and cuts to providers, including cuts to private insurers under the Medicare Advantage program. Republicans have attacked Democrats over the Medicare cuts used to finance the new health care law."
So as I read between the lines, this budget takes the Democrat's tax increases and medicare cuts that made the ACA deficit neutral and shifts them to increase defense spending. The same increases and cuts that they claimed would damage the economy and hurt the poor. While I'm in favor of balancing the budget I'm skeptical of politicans that speak out of both sides of their mouths.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

FT,
Obamacare is deficit neutral? Been spending a lot of time in Colorado, I see.

it may be neutral if you believe hary reid's math - 6 years of expenses against 10 years of revenues - that's a 40% revenue short-fall for anyone who has passed 1st grade math. apparently harry hasn't, or figures those who support him haven't.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Check our an article in Forbes (hardly a liberal rag) titled "Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?" by Rick Ungar. Makes an interesting case for those about to jump of the lemming cliff due to the current situation.

No. Not a defense. Just a reality check. We need to move forward in a way that is bipartisan and will actually get something done.

Pyrrhic victories will burn us all.

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

Paul Ryan grew up on public support. He should know the value of education grants and Social Security, because these are what gave him his start.

"And many more things did {Korihor] say unto them, telling them that...every man fared in this life according to the management of the creature;therefore every man prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime."

Wisconsin has a proud tradition of find public servants, but we also gave this country Joseph McCarthy. This fall, vote your choice, but get informed before you choose.

sergio
Phoenix, AZ

When the Washington and state politicians start cutting their salaries and benefits and focus on controlling political corruption, waste, abuse and corporate lobbing, then perhaps the voters will start taking them seriously . Until then they are part of the major problem.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

It seems that all the Tea-Party-infested House of Representatives can do is waste money and resources while accomplishing NOTHING for the nation.

That's modern American "Conservatism" for you.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

Keep your dirty hands off my Medicare. When I retire, I will have paid 50 years worth of Medicare taxes, so yes, it is an entitlement. I'm entitled to Medicare, because I paid for it. Is it really that hard to understand?

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

The best financial news America could receive; a balanced budget. Democrats will not support any budget that forces the government to live within its means.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

What i'm confused about is why it's so bad to give people subsidies under the ACA, but Paul Ryan is ok giving them to people on Medicare?

Reader81
SLC, UT

@ Patriot: There is a point when there is need for government help. For example, I work with families who are trying hard to improve their situation through "discipline, hard work, and sacrifice." Many of them are trying to rise out of poverty, but college will not become a reality without government help/outside support. This is not because they are "government health drug addicts," but because they haven't been blessed in their lives with things we may take for granted. Maybe those who label others as lazy leeches don't fully understand walls and barriers. Especially if they have always lived a middle/upper class lifestyle.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@EdGrady

The problem with your "entitlement", Ed, is that you're going to take out of it more than you put in, just like everyone else. The first time you fall and break your hip your hospital bill will be more than you paid into medicare throughout your entire life. And why is that? Because the "Affordable" Care Act did nothing to make healthcare less expensive - it just changed who pays the bills.

Enjoy your entitlement, Ed, but remember that your entitlement ends where everyone else's begins. I take it you'll check yourself out of the hospital when your entitlement runs out, right?

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

Brave Sir Robin:

You have no idea how much I've paid in Medicare taxes. Maybe you're projecting your lack of payment to others?

sergio
Phoenix, AZ

Brave Sir Robin, You must not understand the concept of insurance. If you have any paid insurance and you have a legitimate claim in the amount of more than what you have paid in premiums: have. You cheated or robbed the other insurance holders. Think, why do people buy and pay for insurance.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Actually sergio, I think you're the one who doesn't understand the concept of insurance. When one person takes out more than they put in, the rest of the group soften the blow. But when everybody takes out more than they put in, the system goes bankrupt. That's exactly what's happened with Medicare, and that's exactly why the ACA is worthless - because nothing actually got cheaper.

Ed Grady, I noticed among your witticisms that you didn't answer my question. When you've used up your portion of the entitlement, are you going to stop spending against it? Or are you going to start using mine?

Dave T in Ogden
Ogden, UT

There is one basic, yet very important element missing in this budget proposal and that is input from the people that will be affected by this.
I heard a General once say is that even if you want to install clean water systems in a third world country, you must first ask the locals for input. Otherwise, it will be met with extreme resistance. Many times through these meetings, the outsiders will see why they do certain things by the locals that should be addressed.
Let's also face it, we humans are resistant to change. There is definitely a thing called momentum to where like turning a big ship 180, it will take lots of energy and time to do so. We live in a representative democracy... Though with the latest ruling on campaign money contributions can be unlimited, the average American will see less of this representative democracy. Thus any good ideas Americans may have will never get to the representatives. Thus we may never know good concepts to turn our nation around...

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

When House and Senate members are willing to resend their own retirement medical packages that are funded by the tax payers, and commit to living on the same medicare and medicaid packages they afford everyone else, I will respect their decision. But until that point, anytime they ask for the general public to sacrifice what they themselves are willing sacrifice, I see this a political hypocrisy.

There is no doubt that the budget needs to come under control. But the notion that the nation can lower taxes enough to create a balanced budget is ill founded. We live in a global economy where taxes no longer will drive global markets, and job growth. There will always be a location with lower taxes, lower wages, and lower cost structures.

If taxes were really that much of a driver, no one would live in California or New York... and yet those two states have economies that crush more frugally minded states. Mega rich like Larry Ellison aren't fleeing to low tax states.

Common-Tator
Saint Paul, MN

Balanced in 10 years ... if the fiscal system doesn't collapse on itself before then.

How about Congress doing their job NOW, rather than asking the House 5 terms from now to do so?

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

""Affordable" Care Act did nothing to make healthcare less expensive - it just changed who pays the bills."

And exactly how did it do that? When an elderly person fell and broke their hip, and showed up at the emergency room door, and the hospital rendered legally required medical stabilizing services... who do you think paid that bill before ACA? Do you think those cost to the health care system were just absorbed?

With ACA, for better or worse, there is at least an accounting line for these expenses. They are not cost that are just passed on to other patients in the form of higher fees for every other service. The ACA exposes the real cost of these services. These aren't new expenses....just now exposed expenses to the system.

We can either deal with these realities, or just burry our heads in the sand again and pretend they don't exist.

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