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Published: Wednesday, April 9 2014 9:33 a.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

"Women averaged 77 percent of men's earnings in 2012, according to Census Bureau figures. That is better than the 61 percent differential of 1960, but little changed since 2001

Data shows that men tend to out-earn women at every level of education and in comparable jobs"

However, after accounting for the comparable jobs factor the 77% changes to 93%

So if liberals want to cry about inequality - fine, go cry.

But at least do so honeslty

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Bringing up the 77% number is dishonest and disingenuous because men and women on average do pick different jobs and on average men pick jobs that pay more - and that's not discrimination.

More men are lawyers.
More men are doctors

More women are nurses
More women are secretaries.

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Doctors SHOULD be paid more than nurses.

Lawyers SHOULD be paid more than secretaries.

If liberals want to start a discussion on inequality and immediately bring up dishonest numbers like 77% you'll have to forgive us for not wanting to have the conversation.

Be honest liberals and then lets chat

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

Maybe it is a good thing that the gender pay gap bill faces a tough road...

The Department of Labor commissioned the largest study on the gender pay gap and its findings were released back in 2009. The study concluded that the pay gap is at most a few cents, but that it is likely lower because they were unable to control for all of the variables that are known to influence the gap (e.g., how much overtime is worked, health benefit costs, etc.). Ultimately, the study recognized that the gender pay gap is either very small or nonexistent altogether, and the 23 cent difference can be accounted for by choices made by both men and women workers.

Instead of celebrating the wonderful finding, Democrats are trying to convince women that they are victims who cannot succeed without the government's help (using a statistic that academics and government agencies alike have concluded is an inappropriate way to judge whether a discriminatory gap exists). What a shameful, divisive tactic!

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

Chris B........are you kidding us? The pay issue as outlined in the Deseret news was that Utah Women on the National average earn 70 cents to every dollar a man earns for the SAME job. Not a Doctor vs. a Nurse.

If you had ever been involved in Management these pay issues were always going on. I managed twelve women and two men doing exactly the same job. Guess who management told me to pay the most? The Men, and their logic was that these men were heads of their households and "needed" to earn more.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Utefan,

Please show us where evidence says women make 70 cents to the dollar on the SAME job?

The Washington Post has a story that mentions experts opinions from both the liberal and conservative side.

From the conservative:

"To mark Equal Pay Day 2014, both sides of the debate came out swinging on Tuesday. Economists Mark J. Perry and Andrew G. Biggs threw down the gauntlet in a Wall Street Journal op-ed, calling the 77 cent statistic a 'myth' and saying the gender wage gap 'all but disappears' once variables like education, marital status and occupations are factored in"

The liberal expert, Jillian Berman, counters that there is indeed a wage gap that cannot be explained away. However, even liberal Jillians says that the 77% is misleading. She says:

"The authors are correct to note that Obama’s claim that women make 77 cents to every man’s dollar is misleading. That figure is derived by comparing the average weekly earnings of women to those of men. In other words, it’s unlikely that a woman makes 23 percent less than the male colleague with the same job and education sitting next to her."

She admits Obama is misleading

Proof of your 70 number?

lket
Bluffdale, UT

i work at a hospital and though it is going away the high paid Dr. is stll a man. but repulicans want to keep them down as a sub class, just like they are disolving the middle class and making and under class here when labour is beaten down more the may open factories again. by then this country will have 2 clases the rich, and the rest. a poor working class just like in the 1800s before ford started paying a living wage.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Paycheck discrimination based on gender has been illegal since the 1960s. Why doesn’t BO enforce existing law?

Because he and the dems are more interested in politics than helping the country.

“For reasons known only to him, BO doesn't seem to be interested in enforcing laws closing wage gaps for working women," is what harry should have said as the day's debate began.

"BO’s lack of action shows he stands opposed to pay equity at our peril," Chuck Schumer should have said

Interesting that none of the senate dems brought up the pay gap in in BO’s own misadministration

“women generally work shorter hours and are likelier to take lower-paying jobs”

Dems won’t let that inconvenient truth get in the way of their propaganda

worf
Mcallen, TX

Pay gap?

What fool would believe that?

The same ones who believe climate change is caused by people.

If Obama says, ants cause earthquakes.--The same people would believe it.

Crazy!

worf
Mcallen, TX

Can any one give an example of a women being paid less then a man for doing the same work?

Max
Charlotte, NC

Anything to change the subject. You can't blame the president there. The problem is that when controlling for education, field, and experience, there is no pay gap. This is a total non-issue.

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