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Published: Tuesday, March 18 2014 7:52 p.m. MDT

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TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Clearly, comrades, the only solution is for all of us except the "elite" to live poorer, more modest, austere lives and (I almost hate to mention such an obvious point) the institution of a global collectivist hegemony (i.e. "communism"). Obama all but put on his mom jeans and rolled over on this one, welcome back to the past USSR!

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Relax, everybody. I've been to Crimea. The people there are Russians, not Ukrainians. They speak, eat, and think Russian. Imagine if somehow Maine got joined to Canada 40 years ago and they wanted to come back home to the USA. They're Americans, not Canadians. Who would fault them for voting to return?

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

Irony Guy,

OK I'm relaxed. Thanks. I've lived in Germany and studied WWII history too, and the people in Austria, the Sudetenland (Czech.) and Alsace-Lorraine, were also "German". So makes perfect sense if some ethnic national leader wants to unite all his "people".

Besides, Russia just isn't big enough. Only 12 time zones wide. Twelve. Only bigger than the next 2 countries combined, but they need space. We get it. Losing Eastern Europe and the "Stans" has been tough on them. The biggest Geopolitical Disaster of the 20th Century. Let's give them ALL BACK...

And Putin, what he really wants is PEACE. Or is it PIECE, as in "a little piece of Poland, a little piece of France...."

Mark from Montana
Davis County, UT

On March 12, Hitler accompanied German troops into Austria, where enthusiastic crowds met them. Hitler appointed a new Nazi government, and on March 13 the Anschluss was proclaimed. Austria existed as a federal state of Germany.

Putin is just following the example of another great European leader in how he is growing his country. The world is, predictably, reacting in about the same manner.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

Imagine if we parceled off Maine to Canada 60 years ago and back then Canada was occupied by our troops and under our complete control. Then Canada became more independent, its people went to the streets to be free of US control, and we said, "not so fast...we get to keep Maine", and we sent troops to Maine (OK in disguise) and held an election within 1 week, and then right away signed an annexation.

That would be like Crimea. We all speak the same English language and have a shared heritage. We have no right to take over Canada, Australia, Bermuda, New Zealand, Ireland, the UK, Gibraltar, The Falklands, etc.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@Irony Guy

I think the presence of an occupying force in Crimea is the greater concern. All the violence leading up to the invasion was centered in the capital of Kiev. Yet Putin invades Crimea in the South far away from the problems facing Ukraine seizing control of most of the economic potential of the country. He then holds the referendum hastily with occupying troops present to ensure the outcome he wants. The great charade was exposed when Crimea announced voter turn out numbers.

Around 60% of the people there identify themselves as ethnic Russian. The other groups did not vote en masse yet the reports we read state that voter turnout was extremely high. Many feared the armed thugs. Others argued that the vote was illegal because doing so violated the constitution. Whatever the case the numbers presented had been falsified.

I believe the best way for the US to proceed is to remove Russia as much as possible from the economic world. Kick them out of the G8. Censure them in the UN. Hit them with as many sanctions as possible, but don't fire a shot if it can be avoided.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

"Joe Biden warned that the U.S. and Europe will impose further sanctions against Moscow"

Ha ha... I'll bet Putin is shaking in his boots. Never mind the fact that Europe is dependent on Russia for oil and gas or that Putin laughs at Barack and Joe....no respect or fear of the US anymore thanks to the weak America that Barack and his progressive friends have created. This is all so familiar to Jimmy Carter and the weak America he created....weakness has consequences and the Russian bear is MOST aggressive when he has nothing to fear.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Putin may be a KGB thug ...which he is...but he is also an aggresive smart man with a plan and he is shoving that plan right in the face of little Barack Hussin Obama. What does little Barack do??? About the only thing he can do at this point...throw out some meaningless sanctions. This Russian land grab didn't just happen all this year...this thing has been brewing for the past 5 years. Putin is smart and he sees how terribly weak Obama is during the Syria crisis and he meets with his KGB friends and maps out a BIG land grab knowing full well there is nothing to stop him especially with America cutting its military forces to the bone going forward. There is a reason why Teddy Roosevelt said "walk softly but carry a BIG stick". That BIG stick is what prevents conflict from ever starting. Bad guys like Putin aren't stupid - they know full well when to push and when to pull back. Putin is pusing hard right now and that won't change any time soon with liberals in charge of America.

worf
Mcallen, TX

This is what happens when a leader spends excessive amounts of time, with tax payer paid vacations, golfing, attending fund raisers, and guest starring on comedy shows.

This is a full time job, and our country has been weakened.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Glad to see that all the Russians in Crimea wanted to rejoin their mother-land. I guess the Russian troops were there just as a moral support for what the people really wanted. Maybe we should send troops into Mexico and make a big portion of that country the USA and then we wouldn't have to worry about border security as the border would just shift south several hundred miles.

But not to worry.....we have a community organizer that won the Nobel Peace Price in the White House so it's all good.....right?

mohokat
Ogden, UT

"Tell Vladimir that after the election I will have more flexibility" Our own comrade has intentionally brought the Country down to the level he envisioned.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

@Patriot

Obama is about to make his boldest move yet. That will be to unfriend Putin on Facebook. That will show Vladimir what's what.

Zamok
Layton, UT

What a coincidence all these ethnic Russians happened to want to join Russia right when Putin wanted Crimea. Maybe we should give southern California to Mexico since it is majority ethnic Mexicans. Scratch that the world should allow Russia to take all of Ukraine since it used to be all Russian speaking any ways. That is like saying it is ok you can beat her up she is your wife.

Changing country borders and maps is a much bigger deal than changing leaders within a Government. Why did they have to use military force if everyone was so in favor of secession. And why was the Soviet flag raised at the post referendum celebration?

More importantly why fix the ballot? The ballot only had two options. Crimeans could select secession to Russia or to let the pro-Russian parliament decide in favor of secession to Russia. Seems like a communist version of a vote to me.

The updated map I really want to see is Putin's draft 2020 map. OK I am relaxed now.

Zamok
Layton, UT

@Sasha Pachev

Are you talking about respect obtained through fear or respect for the freedoms of others? Are you suggesting US Policy should never oppose Putin’s decisions, just so America can be respected? It might be about respect and return to former glory at all costs for some Russians, but for Americans it is mostly about freedom of choice. No respect is earned or justifiable if it comes at the expense of others.

Just because the US opposes Putin does not mean the US opposes Russia. The real problem is any opposition to Putin is immediately and harshly dealt with inside Russia. Should we use this as a model for the rest of the world? There are things that should not be okay in the 21st century such as closing down opposing news stations or unexplained deaths in jails of peaceful opposition.

Zamok
Layton, UT

@Sasha Pachev

You ought to think about who your friends are. You think Americans betrayed Russia because we did not teach democracy properly? I hope that Russians will someday speak up against the major corruption in government and business that has been the primary reason why capitalism is not working in Russia. Of course America has some corruption too, but there is at least an effort to enforce law. The Ukraine is right there, evidenced by the impeachment of their former corrupt President. In fact, to close for Putin.

Do you not recognize that Putin wants to delegitimize impeachment of Yanukovich as quickly as he can, lest his dictatorship comes into question too? This is what triggered Putin’s cunning seizure of Crimea, not his love for fellow Russians in Crimea. Unless you are saying a strong dictator like Putin that brings respect to Russia by once again creating fear in the region is more important than freedom, than I might question your understanding of human rights and the respect of sovereign territories.

Dr. Thom
Long Beach, CA

As Pete Townsend said "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

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