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Published: Monday, March 17 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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MrsH
Altamont, UT

"...the holiday is about Irishness, not sexuality."
Well said!!
I totally agree. This should also extend to other areas. Other folks sexuality is none of our business. (Tolerance, however, is our business. I just don't want to hear about your sex life.)

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@MrsH

Have you ever been to a parade? I have been to this parade in NYC, it runs right down 5th avenue a half block from my house at the time. In this parade as with others, every group under the sun is represented and each group proudly proclaims not only being Irish but also with their subculture (i.e. predestinate, fire fighters, women's league, bowlers, dance leagues etc. etc.. LGBT culture has to do with far more then someone's "sex life" and is no less deserving of equal representation in the parade.

Objectified
Tooele, UT

@ Tolstoy:

LGBT is still very controversial. It's currently a big political battle. Many of us have taken offense with the way some gays are pushing their agenda on everyone, often with a belligerent attitude that shows no respect for anyone who doesn't agree with them.

While driving in LA a few years ago, during the Proposition 8 issue, I and many others had eggs thrown at our cars while simply driving away from an LDS meeting house, without saying a single word or showing any indication of taking either side. Gays shouldn't wonder why some people have negative feelings toward them after such actions.

Many simply don't like controversial issues shoved down their throats... especially politically based issues. And making big scenes during big parades has a tendency to do just that.

I totally agree that at this stage in time, the gay issue shouldn't be pushed and advertised during parades. I know of no other similarly controversial groups that are allowed to. So they shouldn't either. Perhaps things will be different later. But for now they are not.

Sexuality should be a private, personal thing. Keep it at home, not in the streets.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@objectified
Two things. Laws protecting gay rights and civil unions have been on the books iin NY ffor some time, they also allow gay marriage. Second I find many things offensive that gets tossed around in public everday but that is no reason to ban it. Now if you were truyly treated the way you claim then that was wrong and those individual's should be held accountable, that does not however justify your continued oppression of a segment of our society based on your personal prejudices.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@objectified

So because the oppressors take offense at the oppressed the oppressed should make themselves invisible? Not going to happen. Gay rights may still be very controversial in your mind but it is far less controversial in NY were it is no more conervierial then many of the other groups allowed to show their colors in tie parade.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

The Blt community needs to realize not everything is about them.

Can they not take a break from reminding us of their life choices to just watch a parade?

Does anyone know if heterosexuals form a heterosexual group in the parade to tell everyone they are heterosexual?

Didn't think so.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@chris b
So do you apply that same logic to the fire fighters, the bowling league, the dance troops, various marching bands, the women's league, the Protestants, the NY equestrian society etc etc.. or is it only groups you disagree with that should not make it "all about them? "

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Tolstoy,

Interesting that heterosexuals don't need to form a group to tell everyone again about their sexuality. We don't have that need to continually remind people.

And if bowling leagues and dance troops want to use this parade to tell us they like bowling an dance troops - it's a little easier to understand when those groups aren't looking for venues day after day to remind us all year long they like dancing and bowling. The Blt community would be more tolerable if they didnt feel the need daily to tell us about the choices.

Neither the heterosexuals nor the bowlers nor the dancers do that.

intervention
slc, UT

@chris, objectified and mrs h
I also lived in Ny for many years and I can tell you there are literally a couple hundred groups that identify as some subgroup based solely on behaviors in this parade every year. The groups that for obvious reasons tend to be the most controversial due to Irish history tend to be those that wave the banner of certain religious sects. Some how I doubt anyone here would support denying these groups access simply because they remain controversial.

Ted H.
Midvale, UT

intervention - I too lived in NY for several years and I can tell you that although there are several controversial groups in the parade, as Chris correctly points out, those other groups don't look for every forum to tell you about their life choices. Only the gays do that.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@crhis B andTed H

Heterosexuality permeates into every aspect of our lives, from TV commercials with scantly clothed women marketing hamburgers to trucks to men. TV shows with heterosexual relationship themes (even cop shows). Checkout stand magazines telling women how to land a man. Radio Ads Marketed to single heterosexuals looking for relationships. Mall stores marketing shirts of scantily clothed women to young teenage boys (remember that one?) Work life were many co workers have pictures of their heterosexual partners on their desk and who cannot wait to tell you about their "big plans" for the weekend. Going to dinner were a heterosexual couple is busy making eyes at each other while their kid flings food and screams for attention. If what you are seeking is for homosexuals to make themselves invisible so as to not make you uncomfortable. given the example set by the heterosexual community its not going to happen.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Ted H. "as Chris IN-correctly points out, those other groups don't look for every forum to tell you about their life choices. Only the gays do that.

Religious groups never look for every forum to tell you about their life choices?
Political groups never look for every forum to tell you about their life choices?
Businesses never look for every forum to tell you about their life choices?
Etc...

Your predictable hypocrisy is showing...again.

You just hate the gay community and are looking to justify your hate, you use religion as a vehicle to drive this hatred.

Brio
Alpine, UT

@ Tolstoy and Spring Street:

The fact this article even needed to be written is proof there are no other groups currently in the parade as controversial as the gay rights fight. The fact you are getting so heated up is also telling.

Regardless of who is or isn't already included, the parade itself is about recognizing and celebrating Irish heritage in NYC. The current gay rights fight has nothing to do with that subject.

Of course heterosexuality permeates our lives. That's the lifestyle of 98% of people. So why wouldn't it?

@ Happy Valley Heretic:

I could find no other comment before yours that mentioned anything about religion or religious groups. I could find no one else even intimating anything about "hate" or "hatred" except in your comment.

By seeing and saying things that aren't actually there, you are only adding to the controversy of this already controversial issue. All other comments, though not in agreement, maintained a semblance of objectivity. You have elevated the negativeness of this dialog by not doing so.

People need to be cautious about letting strong feelings about a particular topic allowing them to get carried away.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@brio

The reason it is an issue for some of us is the very fact that those organizations that are so divisive in Irish culture are allowed to march while something so much less so is not.

"Of course heterosexuality permeates our lives. That's the lifestyle of 98% of people. So why wouldn't it?"

maybe you should read objectified and Chris B's comment for your answer.

"Sexuality should be a private, personal thing. Keep it at home, not in the streets."

"Interesting that heterosexuals don't need to form a group to tell everyone again about their sexuality. We don't have that need to continually remind people."

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