@brio The reason it is an issue for some of us is the very fact that
those organizations that are so divisive in Irish culture are allowed to march
while something so much less so is not. "Of course
heterosexuality permeates our lives. That's the lifestyle of 98% of people.
So why wouldn't it?"maybe you should read objectified and
Chris B's comment for your answer. "Sexuality should be a
private, personal thing. Keep it at home, not in the streets.""Interesting that heterosexuals don't need to form a group to tell
everyone again about their sexuality. We don't have that need to
continually remind people."
@ Tolstoy and Spring Street:The fact this article even needed to be
written is proof there are no other groups currently in the parade as
controversial as the gay rights fight. The fact you are getting so heated up is
also telling. Regardless of who is or isn't already included,
the parade itself is about recognizing and celebrating Irish heritage in NYC.
The current gay rights fight has nothing to do with that subject.Of
course heterosexuality permeates our lives. That's the lifestyle of 98% of
people. So why wouldn't it?@ Happy Valley Heretic:I
could find no other comment before yours that mentioned anything about religion
or religious groups. I could find no one else even intimating anything about
"hate" or "hatred" except in your comment. By seeing
and saying things that aren't actually there, you are only adding to the
controversy of this already controversial issue. All other comments, though not
in agreement, maintained a semblance of objectivity. You have elevated the
negativeness of this dialog by not doing so. People need to be
cautious about letting strong feelings about a particular topic allowing them to
get carried away.
Ted H. "as Chris IN-correctly points out, those other groups don't look
for every forum to tell you about their life choices. Only the gays do that.Religious groups never look for every forum to tell you about their life
choices?Political groups never look for every forum to tell you about
their life choices?Businesses never look for every forum to tell you about
their life choices?Etc...Your predictable hypocrisy is
showing...again.You just hate the gay community and are looking to
justify your hate, you use religion as a vehicle to drive this hatred.
@crhis B andTed HHeterosexuality permeates into every aspect of our
lives, from TV commercials with scantly clothed women marketing hamburgers to
trucks to men. TV shows with heterosexual relationship themes (even cop shows).
Checkout stand magazines telling women how to land a man. Radio Ads Marketed to
single heterosexuals looking for relationships. Mall stores marketing shirts of
scantily clothed women to young teenage boys (remember that one?) Work life were
many co workers have pictures of their heterosexual partners on their desk and
who cannot wait to tell you about their "big plans" for the weekend.
Going to dinner were a heterosexual couple is busy making eyes at each other
while their kid flings food and screams for attention. If what you are seeking
is for homosexuals to make themselves invisible so as to not make you
uncomfortable. given the example set by the heterosexual community its not going
intervention - I too lived in NY for several years and I can tell you that
although there are several controversial groups in the parade, as Chris
correctly points out, those other groups don't look for every forum to tell
you about their life choices. Only the gays do that.
@chris, objectified and mrs h I also lived in Ny for many years and I can
tell you there are literally a couple hundred groups that identify as some
subgroup based solely on behaviors in this parade every year. The groups that
for obvious reasons tend to be the most controversial due to Irish history tend
to be those that wave the banner of certain religious sects. Some how I doubt
anyone here would support denying these groups access simply because they
Tolstoy,Interesting that heterosexuals don't need to form a
group to tell everyone again about their sexuality. We don't have that need
to continually remind people. And if bowling leagues and dance
troops want to use this parade to tell us they like bowling an dance troops -
it's a little easier to understand when those groups aren't looking
for venues day after day to remind us all year long they like dancing and
bowling. The Blt community would be more tolerable if they didnt feel the need
daily to tell us about the choices. Neither the heterosexuals nor
the bowlers nor the dancers do that.
@chris bSo do you apply that same logic to the fire fighters, the bowling
league, the dance troops, various marching bands, the women's league, the
Protestants, the NY equestrian society etc etc.. or is it only groups you
disagree with that should not make it "all about them? "
The Blt community needs to realize not everything is about them. Can
they not take a break from reminding us of their life choices to just watch a
parade?Does anyone know if heterosexuals form a heterosexual group
in the parade to tell everyone they are heterosexual?Didn't
@objectifiedSo because the oppressors take offense at the oppressed
the oppressed should make themselves invisible? Not going to happen. Gay rights
may still be very controversial in your mind but it is far less controversial in
NY were it is no more conervierial then many of the other groups allowed to show
their colors in tie parade.
@objectified Two things. Laws protecting gay rights and civil unions have
been on the books iin NY ffor some time, they also allow gay marriage. Second I
find many things offensive that gets tossed around in public everday but that is
no reason to ban it. Now if you were truyly treated the way you claim then that
was wrong and those individual's should be held accountable, that does not
however justify your continued oppression of a segment of our society based on
your personal prejudices.
@ Tolstoy:LGBT is still very controversial. It's currently a
big political battle. Many of us have taken offense with the way some gays are
pushing their agenda on everyone, often with a belligerent attitude that shows
no respect for anyone who doesn't agree with them. While
driving in LA a few years ago, during the Proposition 8 issue, I and many others
had eggs thrown at our cars while simply driving away from an LDS meeting house,
without saying a single word or showing any indication of taking either side.
Gays shouldn't wonder why some people have negative feelings toward them
after such actions. Many simply don't like controversial issues
shoved down their throats... especially politically based issues. And making big
scenes during big parades has a tendency to do just that.I totally
agree that at this stage in time, the gay issue shouldn't be pushed and
advertised during parades. I know of no other similarly controversial groups
that are allowed to. So they shouldn't either. Perhaps things will be
different later. But for now they are not. Sexuality should be a
private, personal thing. Keep it at home, not in the streets.
@MrsHHave you ever been to a parade? I have been to this parade in
NYC, it runs right down 5th avenue a half block from my house at the time. In
this parade as with others, every group under the sun is represented and each
group proudly proclaims not only being Irish but also with their subculture
(i.e. predestinate, fire fighters, women's league, bowlers, dance leagues
etc. etc.. LGBT culture has to do with far more then someone's "sex
life" and is no less deserving of equal representation in the parade.
"...the holiday is about Irishness, not sexuality."Well said!!
I totally agree. This should also extend to other areas. Other folks
sexuality is none of our business. (Tolerance, however, is our business. I just
don't want to hear about your sex life.)