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Obama administration allows 2-year extension for canceled health plans ahead of midterm elections

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  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    March 7, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    Atl:

    I also find your assertion that "Congress can't manage to fix anything" as an excuse without merit for a couple of reasons:

    1. They have never been given an opportunity to fix it. There has been no bill introduced previous to any of Obama's unilateral changes that would prove that this attempt would be futile. No fighting, no arguing, no deliberations, no compromising, no committees, no hearings-nothing. Again, Obama is in the Executive Branch, not the Legislative Branch. Those are supposed to be equal branches of government. Just because you feel he is justified to make those changes doesn't make it legal.

    2. The Republicans offered a one-year delay in return for the debt ceiling extension. Now we are looking at a two year delay-and that is better how?

    If this law is so great, why are Democrats/liberals like yourself willing to excuse these delays now but were excoriating those who were trying to delay a law that was so obviously not ready for primetime? Republicans can't delay it forever if one year is agreed to and that is what is signed into law.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    March 7, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    To "GaryO" tell us, what has gone well with the ACA? What promise has actually been kept?

    Is health insurance cheaper now than it was before?

    Will this add to or reduce the deficit?

    Can you keep your doctor?

    Is it a tax or not?

    Is healthcare cheaper?

    I have yet to hear about anything that has gone well. Even the subsidies have been messed up.

    It isn't that hard to beat something that came in DOA.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    @banderson
    Liberals tend to apply the "right to life" in the Declaration of Independence a bit differently than conservatives do.

    @LoveLife
    I explained the context of the statement. Before the ACA was passed, all plans that existed at the time could be kept under Obamacare since they'd be grandfathered in. The claim only is false with regards to new plans created after Obamacare's passage that didn't meet Obamacare standards, none of which originally existed before Obamacare was signed so the statement was correct before late 2009 and incorrect afterwards.

    There's a difference between delaying particular pieces with the intent to fix them (Democrats) and delaying everything with the intent to never start it (Republicans). That's why Congress can't manage to fix anything with regards to this.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    March 7, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    So when is a law not a law?

    Apparently when Obama says it's not.....

    Fools. We are led by fools.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 7, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    Wow! Quite the unbalanced slant you put on this article Ricardo. And the comments! Right-Wingers came out swinging like punch drunk fighters seeing double.

    Do you really think Republicans can sustain such a level of unrighteous outrage until the November elections? Maybe they can. But will all the fuming, and wailing, and teeth gnashing help their cause? For me, that rolling pity party is an interesting phenomenon to watch from a distance, but I wouldn't want to get too close to it. I don’t think most swing voters will actually jump on that rickety bandwagon.

    Way back in 2009, Obama clearly stated the ACA would be imperfect and would need modification along the way. Everyone knew that.

    But since Congress is now infested with obstructionist anti-government Tea Party ideologues, it makes perfect sense for the executive branch to take the initiative in making necessary modifications facilitating the implementation of this beneficial new law.

    Republicans elected anti-government politicians into positions of governmental power. These politicians imbued with an anti-government ethic have done everything possible to show just how bad government can be.

    Fortunately, Obama is able to deftly circumvent some of that obstructionism.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    March 6, 2014 11:30 p.m.

    Atl:

    What is it about the statement "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Period" earning 4 Pinocchio's and being honored as the 2013 "Lie of the Year" that you don't understand?

    Republicans were happy to make these same changes last fall-you know, during the debt ceiling debate when the Democrats wouldn't budge and the government shut down. What is your issue with having the President go through the Congress to legally make changes to Obamacare instead of him just unilaterally changing it? He is in the Executive Branch-not the Legislative Branch.

    The people who have had plans dropped do not think they are junk plans-that's why the Obama administration doesn't want more dropped plans before the next few elections. Many have found the new plans to be more expensive, less coverage, not covering their doctors/hospitals, and higher deductibles. It's reflected in current polls that show about 39% approval, 56% opposition to the ACA.

    It's purely political. I don't know why you trust your healthcare with these people.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 6, 2014 7:42 p.m.

    Atl: I find it frustrating living in a society and culture that believes liberty and freedom come from giving it to the federal government and being willing to live without the liberty to make choices anymore. I also find it ironic that the progressives who want the liberty to make any choice they want, whether moral or not, and will vociferously defend their right to make immoral choices, will want the government to dictate to everyone else how to live! Doesn't integrity require consistency in principled living? Why is it that people aren't capable of understanding liberty?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2014 6:58 p.m.

    @SCfan
    "Notice how none of the usual Obama defenders are nowhere to be found in defense of this."

    I don't know what to even say. I mean, you all complain about a provision of Obamacare. Obama does something about it to address your concern. Then you complain that he did that. So... I don't know. What's there to say that would be of any practical use at all?

    The only plans that get dropped are ones that were created after Obamacare was passed (the ones before that were grandfathered in) that didn't meet Obamacare standards, so really... it's the insurance companies' fault that the plans were dropped. They knew what the standards would be but they created these plans anyway. Anyone who got onto a plan that has been dropped, it's said that this is a major burden for them. The only way to even be on a plan dropped due to Obamacare is for it to be created, and then signed onto, after Obamacare was created so every one of these people had to go through picking a new plan within the past 5 years anyway since they got onto these plans initially.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 6, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    the definition of a tyrant is someone who makes up his/her own laws without regard to any other law. Obama should be impeached and it is only the weak knee politicians, who are in many cases just like him, from either party, that they won't take this step. The irony is watching the supposedly Constitution loving citizens of Utah jump on the charade hoping for the best, rather than standing up for something! It is a mess people and there is nothing that is going to change unless people understand that it is a mess, perpetuated by a stream of power hungry weak knee politicians that don't want to do anything but spout off nonsense in front of a camara and abuse the very citizens they are supposed to represent. Public servant is an oxymoron of epic irony! Open your eyes!

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    March 6, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    Talk about just kicking the can down the road. This doesn't fix anything at all, but just delays the inevitable .

    It's only 2 real objectives are...
    1) To try to help democrats past these next 2 elections (especially this year's), and
    2) To pass on this huge, ongoing headache over to the next president.

    This administration deserves no phrase at all for this action. It's main motives are primarily self-serving.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 6, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    yet another extension band-aide for this train wreck law

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 6, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    Whatever. Surely you remember the howls of protest from the Demos when some in the GOP asked for a delay in Obamacare to "get it right" don't you? Now guess who is demanding delays? Can you imagine more blatant hypocrisy?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    March 6, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    Smoke and mirrors . Barry is a pro at it.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 6, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    More in an ever growing stack of proof the government is not capable of running your healthcare, period!

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    March 6, 2014 6:40 a.m.

    I agree Redshirt 1701

    Notice how none of the usual Obama defenders are nowhere to be found in defense of this. And this is supposed to be Obamas big legacy. Just goes to show everyone that liberals "Can't Handle the Truth".

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    March 6, 2014 6:36 a.m.

    Let me get this straight....the only "accomplishment" of this 'President' in 6 years is the biggest failure in the history of legislation?

    Worst. President. Ever.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    March 6, 2014 12:22 a.m.

    If Obamacare is so great for the country as touted by the Democrats -- Why has the Obama suspended or made exception for 30 different parts of it. And they are spending Millions of taxpayer dollars on advertising to convince people it is good for them. To top it all off they still don't have all the website built.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 5, 2014 9:42 p.m.

    How any Obama supporter could deny the inherent hollowness of these leaders, both democrat and Republican, is beyond me? What a shameful mockery of integrity we are seeing almost on a daily basis from these pandering power hungry juveniles! First, Harry Reid, the epitome of the flailing politician testing the political winds on every issue of the day, or Obama who knows the damage that is being inflicted on his co-conspirators, it is absolute delusion to think that these men are anything but men of integrity! Obama and Reid are nothing compared to the ignorant followers that support them, or their Republican copy cats.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    What is the legal authority for ANY President to arbitrarily change provisions of laws passed by Congress?

    If he gets away with doing this on Obamacare, then is there any reason he cannot, or will not simply decree that "the rich" will henceforth be taxed at 99% of their income? Or that anyone who voted for Democrats will not have to pay any tax at all?

    It may sound far-fetched, but once we accept that a President's powers to change laws are unlimited, it is the end of our traditional form of government based on the rule of law. And, the start of a strong man dictatorship.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    March 5, 2014 8:43 p.m.

    He will dump it all onto Hillary.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 5, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    I bought a thickness plainer a few years ago along with a two year extended warranty. My needs changed and now six years later I still have not plugged it in.

    Endlessly extending the deadline is like not using a product until after the warranty has expired. If Obama Care is so good, why do some many people need to get out of it?

    If a Republican were doing this Harry Reid would be holding congressional hearings in to the corruption.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    So when barack promised we'd be able to keep our health plans he really meant "you can keep your health plans unless I say you can't keep your health plans"?

    Thanks barack

  • boneheaded, but not a smidgen SLC, UT
    March 5, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    Barry haters, "what difference does it make?". ..... The guy just can't help himself.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    March 5, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    Where are the liberals? They were outraged at most anything that Bush did, and constantly claimed that he was exceeding the bounds of the Constitution.

    Now, we have a clear example of Obama not only failing at his Constitutional duties to uphold the laws, but Obama is re-writing laws and executing them in their new form, and is also doing his re-writes without the concent or approval of Congress.

    If this was Bush we would already have 100 posts screaming for Bush to be impeached. The silence from the liberals tells us that they don't have a problem with ignoring the constitution. They only have a problem with Republicans.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    The Czar has spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done.

    With Harry Reid in the Senate & Obama in the White House blocking all Republican efforts to correct our nations problems its good we can bypass congress and simply have a president who will write whatever laws he wants.

    He can write the law, sign it, and enforce it...if he wants to.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    March 5, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    I agree he should not be able to overtly over rule the law that was passed.
    This is purely a political play. Most of the current polls show that the House will gain some democrats but Republicans will most likely gain control of the senate at the current rate.
    It is sad to see the executive oligarchs doing as they wish in enforcement of the laws.
    Look at the department of justice as an example, the leader said to state AGs don't defend your states own laws. That is an AGs job.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    nothing but window dressing - the insurance companies will not reinstate them. The insurance companies never would have dropped them without Obamacare, but they will not bring them back. Just a band-aid to try and hide the giant pimple that is Obamacare, at least until after the election.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    March 5, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    How is it that the Dear Leader can arbitrarily suspend part or all of a law? I realize he wants to be king, but the last time I looked, this was a democracy...well, it WAS a democracy.

    Rule by decree.