Comments about ‘Putin: Russia has right to use force in Ukraine’

Return to article »

Published: Tuesday, March 4 2014 10:51 p.m. MST

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that Moscow reserves the right to use its military to protect Russians there (Ukraine) but voiced hope it won't need to do so.
Hitler said the same thing to justify his invasion of Poland and Hungary.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

We are dealing with an evil emperor seeking to restore the evil empire.

It has been said that Obama is playing marbles, while Putin is playing chess.

The Ukraine is of vital national interest to Russia, but not us. So, not matter how despicable Putin's actions may be, or how similar to those of previous dictators, it is not something we should go to war over. More importantly, we no long have the means to win an all out war with the Russians.

This officially marks the end of the era of American dominance, and our relegation to second tier status.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

@ DN Subscriber
I agree Ukraine is not worth fighting over.
Someone who follows world militaries, in a conventional war with the Russians the US would easily destroy their armed forces. The F-22 alone could neutralize the Russian Air Force. Between Europe, Alaska, and the Navy the U.S. would achieve air dominance in exterior russia in a few days. The Russian Surface fleet is hardly sea worthy (any extended mission is accompanied by tugs for breakdowns)
NATO ground forces would stop any russian advance in it tracks (probably wouldn't make is past Ukraine)
The active US military is almost twice the size of Russias, much more advance, experienced, and with NATO allies would dwarf the RF.
I suggest you do come research. The U.S. fought two wars against Russian style equipment in iraq and we know how the conventional war turned out.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

DN Subscriber - It was a Republican Representative from Michigan who said “Putin is playing chess, and I think we’re playing marbles.”

He's wrong on both counts. Putin wants to see what he can get away with, and Obama is saying "Not much."

International sanctions are being prepared against Russia as a result of Putin's rash actions, the Russian Stock Market has plummeted, and you know Russian power brokers, seeing nothing but financial losses ahead, must be hounding Putin to back off.

Putin may be a slow learner, but he WILL eventually get it.

Contrary to what you prefer to believe, we have not had the means to win a war with Russia or the Soviet Union for over half a century. And that's because no one wins in a nuclear war of mutually assured destruction.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Putin will do whatever he wants. The US is not even in the picture and Obama is a joke. China is going to be just as bold going forward and so will Iran. The US has been reduced to be on par with the UN now. Liberals have destroyed the United States as predicted.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

patriot - You appear to be upset about Obama's handling so far of Russian threats against Ukraine.

What would you do differently?

What do you think Romney would have done differently?

Threaten military action? Start World War III?

From what I can see, Right Wingers can come up with a constant stream of complaints, but they can offer absolutely NO credible alternatives or real solutions . . . No solutions that are not infused with unworkable relics of an unworkable Right Wing ideology.

. . . Or maybe you do have a sensible solution. If so, what is it?

Copacetic
Logan, UT

@ GaryO:

In answer to your question...

One thing Conservatives would've done that Obama has not, is to install the high tech missile defense system that President Bush previously arranged with the Ukraine, but that Obama later cancelled after becoming president.
That would've been a true deterrent against the kind of bold military actions Russia recently enacted, since it is far superior to anything Russia has to counter against it.

Romney clearly warned about the current dangerous attitude of Russia during the presidential debates and Obama scoffed at him for doing so. Romney undoubtedly would've followed through with the regional defense-based installation to protect eastern Europe. By cancelling it, Obama has left that entire region exposed to Russian aggression. And now we see the result.

As Commander and Chief, Obama's lack of real-world experience has been exposed as a lot of bark without much bite. A paper tiger if you will. As such, it has emboldened Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and now Russia. There will be more to follow.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:GaryO

This is too easy Gary. So the question to ask is "What would Reagan do"? Well Gary what DID Reagan do starting back in 1980 when he took over for the over-matched Jimmy Carter? We had the BIG BAD USSR staring us in the face and we had Iran too. Sounds like today huh? Reagan knew one fundamental principle which ended up winning the cold war against the USSR - PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!! Thugs like Russia and Iran don't respond to UN-style speeches - they laugh at them!! Reagan started by building UP our military that Carter had dismantled. A bigger stronger Navy - a bigger stronger Army and a bigger badder nuclear force. The USSR crumbled because they couldn't keep pace with the US build up and they knew Reagan - unlike little Jimmy Carter - was a force to reckon with. It's really that simple Gary.

Obama is in the process of dismantling the US military and don't think that Putin isn't aware of it. When the bear has nothing to fear the bear begins to terrorize the world and as I said China will soon join with Russia in the same aggressive manner.

WRK
Riverton, UT

Wow, patriot, that was just awesome. Thank you...

southmtnman
Provo, UT

Copecetic and patriot,

The request was for a SENSIBLE solution.

Nothing you two have written is a solution to the situation, much less a sensible one.

Try again?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Copacetic
"is to install the high tech missile defense system that President Bush previously arranged with the Ukraine"

Okay, now I'm not an expert on military equipment so you'll have to explain to me how a high tech missile defense system is a deterrent to tanks and ground troops.

@patriot
"The USSR crumbled because they couldn't keep pace with the US build up"

I'm not sure what fantasy world that is true in, but we live on Earth where the U.S. having a massive defense budget had absolutely nothing to do with the Soviet collapse.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Romney predicted there would be problems like this with Russia. Barack? he said Russia wasn't a concern

G-Day-M8
WVC, UT

"It's a breach of international law, of national sovereignty, by a major power," Herbst said about Russia's actions in Crimea. "We haven't seen such a breach in Europe since the Nazis."

Interesting words at the end of the article. There are two factions in the Ukraine, 1- Pro western post WWII Nazis. 2- Pro Russian. The Western NATO side and the Russian side of the Ukraine conflict have been at odds for over 70 years and to think Russia is the only bad guy in the fight is beyond stupid.

Look at the last 12 months and you will see a deliberate attempt by the Western Oligarchs to pick a fight with the Russian Oligarchs by baiting Putin into the Syrian mess when obama/kerry told Assad if you cross the red line there will be consequences. Putin, to his credit didn't take the bait. Now we see the same thing in the Ukraine, with the West baiting Putin again but this time on the Russian boarder. There is obama/kerry again with the there will be consequences nonsense. Putin again, to his credit has showed restraint but not without warnings of his own.

Bosphorus
Salt Lake City, UT

I've had my fill of this Reagan fetish, particularly for the gangrene it's caused the GOP in recent years. It doesn't take much research to learn that the Soviet Union was decaying as a result of flaws in economic design. Gorbachev attempted radical surgery on a slowly dying patient, and he ended up killing it. Reagan had his role, but he certainly didn't kill the Soviets by outspending them. Outside of the Reagan cult we can still acknowledge that the greatest achievement of the Reagan administration was the reduction of the nuclear stockpile, a triumph of reason, not chest-pounding.

Otherwise, I would hope we've learned by now that hurling missiles at problems tends to create more problems, and at tremendous cost. We might be able to flog Russia's military, but you'd have to watch Russia and its allies go Moscow Chainsaw on the global economy and against our interests in Europe, China, and the Middle East. Russia needs to be confronted, but in the words of Isaac Asimov: "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

The high tech missile defense system of which you speak was designed (and poorly designed) to shoot down Russian Nuclear ICBMs and mid-range missiles. Those bases in Eastern Europe would have protected Western Europe, not Eastern Europe. And at the time, the whole system was far from bullet proof. It would have been a useless high tech Maginot Line. I am not surprised that GW would have been 100% behind such a useless, ill-conceived, and wasteful endeavor.

Russia is not likely to Nuke a next door neighbor when they can just roll over them with tanks. Think about it. If you set off a high explosive in your neighbor's house, you might as well say goodbye too.

Besides the unfeasability of the whole idea is moot. The Republicans insisted on sequestration, and that necessitates cutbacks in spending across the board, even for worthwhile projects.

And yes, I know, Romney filled the air with useless blather . . . as if everyone didn't already know of Russia’s attitude problem. They invaded Georgia in 2008. Their “attitude” now is no surprise.

G-Day-M8
WVC, UT

We all know a push and a shove will turn to fists if allowed to continue.

The Oligarchs need war whether East or West to enhance their pockets and it hasn't changed for centuries. obama is not as stupid or inept as many people think but he sure is obedient. This is not a left or right, liberal or conservative, issue but rather selfish and conspiring men and women in high places seeking control and domination.

A significant part of their plan is to reduce the population of the earth to 1 billion people. Sound crazy? Just ask the queen of England. How better than war to accomplish the task?

boneheaded, but not a smidgen
SLC, UT

What difference does it make?

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Patriot..... we don't need to ask what would Reagan have done.... we know what he did. WHy don't you detail what Reagan response in Lebanon was after our troops were attacked there, killing over 300 of them? Why haven't you used that as an example? Perhaps we could discuss the funding of the Islamic forces in Afghanistan..... why didn't you detail how well that worked out.... that we are now fighting those very same people who we armed?

I know... one man is a saint, the other a devil.

And then you criticize Obama for not having military experience.... and yet Romney.... while he did serve... he was a public relations officer in New York City during the war. He never saw combat, and never left the county.

I don't say this to demean Romney nor Reagan. But rather the emphasize that we need to keep the playing table level. If Obama's lack of military service - less alone lack of combat service - is a disqualified, it needs to be applied to all, on both sides. You can't have it both ways.

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

He's too classy a guy to do it, but I like to imagine that Br. Romney's massive "I-Told-You-So!" dance just turned on the strobe lights and bass speakers.

What would he have done differently? Have a foreign policy to speak of. It is naive to suppose that Russia has somehow changed; communism has orchestrated human suffering since before World War II, and it has never ceased its ambitions-it only temporarily lost the force to spread them at the collapse of the cold war, thank you Mr. Reagan and Mr. Bush.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Gary O

It ain't working. Obama basically surrendered American dominance when he came into office in 2009. Reset button and the world apology tour. Then he showed the paper tiger side of America when he called for a red line in Syria and did nothing. Now agressive countries will continue to push the limits. Syria, Iran, N. Korea, Russia, China, Pakistan, ect. The U.S. needs a Reaganesque type leader in the future to otherwise restrain this kind of despotic behavior in the world. And the allies, Britain ect. are basically going their own way. Obama is the true emperor without clothes. And we for now will live in a world with much more of this Putin type stuff going on. Do you think Obama would have gone to war in Afghanistan if the 911 attack would have happened on his watch? I don't.

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments