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Published: Monday, March 3 2014 10:06 p.m. MST

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Mack2828
Ft Thomas, KY

@ David
I once felt the same as you. The BSA of day's past was all that you said it was in your post. But times have changed.

In my observation the LDS youth of today for the most part do not like Scouting. There are a few exceptions, but most don't seem to like it. And frankly a large number of the adult leaders don't seem to like it either. I think as a church we have been in denial about this for a long time now.

And now, scouting no longer teaches the need to be morally straight. For me, that is the last straw. It's time to leave.

I know change is hard. Those of us who knew scouting as it once was will be sad to see it go. But we need to do what is right for the youth.

I pray that our church leaders will feel inspired to make a change.

EstoPerpetua
Holden, MA

I find it disgusting to see comments about religious organizations being against gays. When I was at a church's boy scout camp seminar in the mountains above Boise, Idaho, we spent the night in sleeping bags and there were sexual activities. I have lived my life fully as a gay man who is a U.S. citizen, a veteran, and a retired software engineer. I have a same-sex partner of 52 years and we have been married 10 years. We have paid our taxes, bills, and are living the American dream. If religions are losing people, perhaps they need to teach more of the positive god loving values and love for one another instead of the negative, dark ages values, most of which are mythical.

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

Article quote: "Scouting leadership proposed a compromise: Accept openly gay youth, but exclude gay adult volunteers. BSA's National Council voted in May to enact it."

The Boy Scouts of America say they believe in being "morally straight" and in doing their best to honor God.

There is simply no way for an open, actively-practicing homosexual male to do that.

Period.

Kaladin
Greeley, CO

@EstoPerpetua - I spent my entire youth fully involved in the Boy Scouts and even spent my teenage summers working at full-term scout camps. No sexual activities, not one. That's the way it should be. I am sorry you were wronged by scouts and you bring up the very fear we have about this whole fiasco -

J in AZ
San Tan Valley, AZ

For all of you who are using the 'morally straight' argument. The words in the Scout oath do not mean what you think they do.

. . . and morally straight.

To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance.(Excerpted from page 45-46, Boy Scout Handbook, 11th ed,(#33105), copyright 1998 by BSA, ISBN 0-8395-3105-2)

It has nothing to do with sexual morality.

Bob K
portland, OR

Floyd Johnson
Broken Arrow, OK
"In 15 years with the BSA I have never encountered a homosexual individual desiring membership into the organization. Establishing a new program to modify a single policy seems extreme."

... YES, and some people portray a "Gay Invasion", when most or all Gay scouts joined as little kids, before they realized they were Gay. Who would want to put his kid in the position of having to lie, in order to stay in scouting?

... It is all just part of the campaign by some churches to demonize Gay folks, because they are afraid of their own children coming out and expecting to be accepted in the church and family

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

If I was gay, I probably wouldn't WANT to join the BSA. Why would anybody want to join an organization if you don't share their values?

America has just gone weird in the last 10 years. Live and let live already.

If you don't like BSA, don't join. If your wedding cake maker doesn't do gay weddings, go somewhere else. If you don't believe in God, don't go to church. Is it really that difficult?

David
Centerville, UT

Mack2828,

I respectfully disagree.

Boys love scouting. They love leading & associating in the Patrol method. They love the Outdoor Program. They love advancement and recognition. They love the ideals of scouting (oath, law, motto & slogan). They love associations with adults. They even respect the uniform.

They love citizenship, character and fitness.

In scouting they hike beautiful valleys & mountain peaks. They canoe & raft. They swim in lakes. They shoot rifles, pistols, bows, and shotguns. They learn respect for fire. They learn and apply first aid. They learn respect for their environment. They learn respect for women & children. They learn to do hard things, and to lead. They learn personal management, genealogy, dentistry, engineering, pioneering, orienteering, weather, geology, mammal studies, etc. and etc.

Where else will they have a similar experience? On their Gamecube? Maybe their Wii?

I am grateful that the Church supports Scouting. It is an inspired program that is needed in our world more than ever.

I trust the LDS Church leaders and will follow their lead.

Filo Doughboy
Bakersfield, CA

Within this debate, there is both a basic misunderstanding of Christ's actual words and invitation, and an unfortunate mixing of the issues of freedom of/ and freedom from religion.

We all know the high goals of the BSA. Their membership requirements excluded all kinds of persons. No mafia, gangs or drug cartels went to their bull-horns to demand equality and unfettered acceptance. Ditto pedophiles, thieves, serial adulterers, rapists.

Shrekk and Joe Blow's comments about Trail Life's "rejection of other religions" implies that every community organization which has membership guidelines must accept every theology and ism, or be guilty of discrimination. Having a secular program for training youth does not have to equate to membership requirements of that One World Fits All mantra.

Neither Muslims, Mormons, Moonies, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, or any other self-defined Biblical separtists, accept the purely Biblical Jesus or His clearly stated gospel. They all thrive happily within their democratic communities, with their own rules and restrictions to access of their mosques, temples or fast-track to heaven's highest membership.

Allowing a new group on the block is threatening exactly what...?

Ranch
Here, UT

@Mack2828 & Caravan;

"Morally straight" does NOT mean "be heterosexual".

@J in AZ;

You said it.

@USAlover;

Just because we're gay doesn't mean we don't share the same "values" as the rest of you. Maybe you should get to know some of us.

Truth is Forever
Lehi, UT

Choosing to participate in things that are wrong because of physical phenomenon and physical temptations that truly do exist doesn't excuse the sin. I am glad that even with their open policy, the BSA has allowed its chartered organizations the freedom to continue to teach what sin is and how to live a "morally straight" life despite physical temptation that is a normal, yet excruciating part of mortality. I do, however, celebrate even more Mr. Orr's decision to provide an organization that supports God's declarations as the ultimate source of right-ness and character. The rank of authority in this particular relationship goes like this: God, Scouting; not like this: Scouting, God. The Bible teaches us to fear (or respect) God and his judgements, so I'd say fear in that regard is not a bad thing in any way.

junkgeek
Agua Dulce, TX

1. Boys like the outdoors. They don't necessarily like Scouting. The patrol method does little except to reinforce the ideal that the biggest and toughest and strongest and most popular kid will be the leader. The quorum model works much better, as long as a quorum president is sensitive to the other quorum members' needs. I trust the quorum model more than the patrol model.

2. There have always been gays in Scouting, and there always will be. At least now they don't have to hide in the closet.

Great Russ
MESA, AZ

@Ranch. What Christianity is that? where it was acceptable to murder someone for blasphemy, adultery or homosexuality? To wage war because they were of the wrong religion like in Ireland? Christ loved the sinner but not the sin. remember he told the adulteress to go and sin no more. He didn't stone her but he didn't condone her lifestyle either. So what time are you referring to?

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