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  • Great Russ MESA, AZ
    March 8, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    @Ranch. What Christianity is that? where it was acceptable to murder someone for blasphemy, adultery or homosexuality? To wage war because they were of the wrong religion like in Ireland? Christ loved the sinner but not the sin. remember he told the adulteress to go and sin no more. He didn't stone her but he didn't condone her lifestyle either. So what time are you referring to?

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    March 8, 2014 7:44 a.m.

    1. Boys like the outdoors. They don't necessarily like Scouting. The patrol method does little except to reinforce the ideal that the biggest and toughest and strongest and most popular kid will be the leader. The quorum model works much better, as long as a quorum president is sensitive to the other quorum members' needs. I trust the quorum model more than the patrol model.

    2. There have always been gays in Scouting, and there always will be. At least now they don't have to hide in the closet.

  • Truth is Forever Lehi, UT
    March 6, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    Choosing to participate in things that are wrong because of physical phenomenon and physical temptations that truly do exist doesn't excuse the sin. I am glad that even with their open policy, the BSA has allowed its chartered organizations the freedom to continue to teach what sin is and how to live a "morally straight" life despite physical temptation that is a normal, yet excruciating part of mortality. I do, however, celebrate even more Mr. Orr's decision to provide an organization that supports God's declarations as the ultimate source of right-ness and character. The rank of authority in this particular relationship goes like this: God, Scouting; not like this: Scouting, God. The Bible teaches us to fear (or respect) God and his judgements, so I'd say fear in that regard is not a bad thing in any way.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 6, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    @Mack2828 & Caravan;

    "Morally straight" does NOT mean "be heterosexual".

    @J in AZ;

    You said it.

    @USAlover;

    Just because we're gay doesn't mean we don't share the same "values" as the rest of you. Maybe you should get to know some of us.

  • Filo Doughboy Bakersfield, CA
    March 4, 2014 8:22 p.m.

    Within this debate, there is both a basic misunderstanding of Christ's actual words and invitation, and an unfortunate mixing of the issues of freedom of/ and freedom from religion.

    We all know the high goals of the BSA. Their membership requirements excluded all kinds of persons. No mafia, gangs or drug cartels went to their bull-horns to demand equality and unfettered acceptance. Ditto pedophiles, thieves, serial adulterers, rapists.

    Shrekk and Joe Blow's comments about Trail Life's "rejection of other religions" implies that every community organization which has membership guidelines must accept every theology and ism, or be guilty of discrimination. Having a secular program for training youth does not have to equate to membership requirements of that One World Fits All mantra.

    Neither Muslims, Mormons, Moonies, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, or any other self-defined Biblical separtists, accept the purely Biblical Jesus or His clearly stated gospel. They all thrive happily within their democratic communities, with their own rules and restrictions to access of their mosques, temples or fast-track to heaven's highest membership.

    Allowing a new group on the block is threatening exactly what...?

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 4, 2014 7:51 p.m.

    Mack2828,

    I respectfully disagree.

    Boys love scouting. They love leading & associating in the Patrol method. They love the Outdoor Program. They love advancement and recognition. They love the ideals of scouting (oath, law, motto & slogan). They love associations with adults. They even respect the uniform.

    They love citizenship, character and fitness.

    In scouting they hike beautiful valleys & mountain peaks. They canoe & raft. They swim in lakes. They shoot rifles, pistols, bows, and shotguns. They learn respect for fire. They learn and apply first aid. They learn respect for their environment. They learn respect for women & children. They learn to do hard things, and to lead. They learn personal management, genealogy, dentistry, engineering, pioneering, orienteering, weather, geology, mammal studies, etc. and etc.

    Where else will they have a similar experience? On their Gamecube? Maybe their Wii?

    I am grateful that the Church supports Scouting. It is an inspired program that is needed in our world more than ever.

    I trust the LDS Church leaders and will follow their lead.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2014 3:55 p.m.

    If I was gay, I probably wouldn't WANT to join the BSA. Why would anybody want to join an organization if you don't share their values?

    America has just gone weird in the last 10 years. Live and let live already.

    If you don't like BSA, don't join. If your wedding cake maker doesn't do gay weddings, go somewhere else. If you don't believe in God, don't go to church. Is it really that difficult?

  • Bob K portland, OR
    March 4, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    Floyd Johnson
    Broken Arrow, OK
    "In 15 years with the BSA I have never encountered a homosexual individual desiring membership into the organization. Establishing a new program to modify a single policy seems extreme."

    ... YES, and some people portray a "Gay Invasion", when most or all Gay scouts joined as little kids, before they realized they were Gay. Who would want to put his kid in the position of having to lie, in order to stay in scouting?

    ... It is all just part of the campaign by some churches to demonize Gay folks, because they are afraid of their own children coming out and expecting to be accepted in the church and family

  • J in AZ San Tan Valley, AZ
    March 4, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    For all of you who are using the 'morally straight' argument. The words in the Scout oath do not mean what you think they do.

    . . . and morally straight.

    To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance.(Excerpted from page 45-46, Boy Scout Handbook, 11th ed,(#33105), copyright 1998 by BSA, ISBN 0-8395-3105-2)

    It has nothing to do with sexual morality.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    March 4, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    @EstoPerpetua - I spent my entire youth fully involved in the Boy Scouts and even spent my teenage summers working at full-term scout camps. No sexual activities, not one. That's the way it should be. I am sorry you were wronged by scouts and you bring up the very fear we have about this whole fiasco -

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    March 4, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    Article quote: "Scouting leadership proposed a compromise: Accept openly gay youth, but exclude gay adult volunteers. BSA's National Council voted in May to enact it."

    The Boy Scouts of America say they believe in being "morally straight" and in doing their best to honor God.

    There is simply no way for an open, actively-practicing homosexual male to do that.

    Period.

  • EstoPerpetua Holden, MA
    March 4, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    I find it disgusting to see comments about religious organizations being against gays. When I was at a church's boy scout camp seminar in the mountains above Boise, Idaho, we spent the night in sleeping bags and there were sexual activities. I have lived my life fully as a gay man who is a U.S. citizen, a veteran, and a retired software engineer. I have a same-sex partner of 52 years and we have been married 10 years. We have paid our taxes, bills, and are living the American dream. If religions are losing people, perhaps they need to teach more of the positive god loving values and love for one another instead of the negative, dark ages values, most of which are mythical.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    March 4, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    @ David
    I once felt the same as you. The BSA of day's past was all that you said it was in your post. But times have changed.

    In my observation the LDS youth of today for the most part do not like Scouting. There are a few exceptions, but most don't seem to like it. And frankly a large number of the adult leaders don't seem to like it either. I think as a church we have been in denial about this for a long time now.

    And now, scouting no longer teaches the need to be morally straight. For me, that is the last straw. It's time to leave.

    I know change is hard. Those of us who knew scouting as it once was will be sad to see it go. But we need to do what is right for the youth.

    I pray that our church leaders will feel inspired to make a change.

  • Cleetorn Fuaamotu, Tonga
    March 4, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    Not only will they exclude Mormons & Muslims but Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Inuit or other Native Americans and ANYONE who does not succinctly ascribe to the purist Christian views they hold to. I am all for teaching strong values to youth that will assist in helping them grow into responsible adults, but I don’t think this is the way to accomplish the goal. By excluding such diversity, young people will come to the belief that narrow-mindedness, bigotry, exclusion and discrimination against someone who is “different” is normal and justifiable.

    Also from the site’s FAQs, it says “Same-sex attraction is not in itself a sin, as it is rather a temptation. It is what you do with that temptation in thought and in action that is sin.”

    Apparently, it doesn’t matter what is done with the “temptation,” it is still a sin either way.

  • Willem Los Angeles, CA
    March 4, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    Ok mormons read the latest , a group of Western-state Republicans plans to enter the battle in favor of same-sex marriage on Tuesday, urging a federal appeals court to declare gay marriage bans in Utah and Oklahoma unconstitutional. Some Republicans know that equal rigths are for everyone in our great country!

  • J in AZ San Tan Valley, AZ
    March 4, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    I suspect that Trail Life USA will be just another minor youth program like Royal Rangers, American Heritage Girls, and Camp Fire. They have chosen a course that risks self-marginalization because:

    1. Their rejection of faith communities that don't believe in the Triune God.
    2. Their adoption of a youth membership policy that is essentially identical to the BSA policy.

    Mr. Orr in the article is demonstrating a Calvinist approach to sin where if a person is tempted by sin, they are already guilty of the sin. This flies in the face of the conception of most Christians of divine justice. This is another issue that will limit their growth.

    I'm surprised at some of the comments of some of the LDS participants here. One of the first people that Wayne Perry, BSA National President, consulted on the modification of the BSA membership policy, was Thomas S. Monson, in both of his roles as the head of the organization sponsoring the single largest block of BSA units and as one of the most senior members of the BSA National Executive Board. The bottom line is that the BSA policy would not have changed without support from the LDS Church.

  • Digomart Evansville, IN
    March 4, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    I am not sure why there is a problem with openly gay boys in the Boy Scouts (whether or not they are sexually active) when there are have always been plenty of heterosexually active boys in the Scouts who are not dismissed or excluded from the organization and Christian organizations were not lobbying about the evils of permitting them in Scouts.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 4, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    "To deny that recruitment occurs is to deny reality."

    Can you describe what kind of "recruitment" would be needed to flip a person from straight to gay?

    I can't, for the life of me, fathom that anyone could have said or done anything that could have made me gay.

    Can someone enlighten me?

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    March 4, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    I think it would be great if the LDS church and other socially conservative religious organizations would leave the BSA. Then the BSA could go back to being for all boys regardless of dogma rather than an organization made to promote narrow thinking.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    March 4, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    Is there a definition of "openly gay youth"? Clearly same-sex attraction is not the same as "openly gay". LDS leaders and members are not excluding youth with same-sex attraction who are not involved in sinful activity. There is a difference. Furthermore, where is the line between accepting and allowing subtle recruitment by those with ssa? To deny that recruitment occurs is to deny reality. The LDS position possibly allows for LDS leaders in scouting to assist youth with ssa to make correct choices.

  • WI Reader Madison, WI
    March 4, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    "As Christians from a scriptural basis, we love all folks, but the Scripture is very clear that being homosexual is a sin," Ron Orr said in an interview. "We've got to be able to hold a strong line and set a consistent example for our young men."

    Many more things are sins as well such as lying, cheating, swearing, stealing. Chances are there are boys in their unit who are guilty of these sins. At which point do we begin casting the first stone? Aren't youth programs all about BUILDING and improving? If the youth are sinless what improvements need to be made?

  • Hunam Layton, UT
    March 4, 2014 7:00 a.m.

    I think it's hard for a lot of parents to be open to the idea that kids can have gay friends and still live faithful, inspired lives active in their respective religious upbringing. This, imo, is very short-sighted and will ultimately fail. It's too bad because it needn't be this way.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 4, 2014 5:46 a.m.

    "that those pushing the gay lifestyle"

    There is a huge difference between those who "accept" and those who "push".

    Who would have thought that Trail Life, an organization formed around the Christian Religion, would ban the LDS based on "religious differences"

    It would appear that "discrimination" comes in all shapes and sizes.

  • skrekk Dane, WI
    March 3, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    Interesting that "Trail Life" bans not just gays, but also Muslims and Mormons.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 3, 2014 10:48 p.m.

    It is sad, indeed shameful, that those pushing the gay lifestyle did not form a new organization for youth to meet their goals, and instead insisted on destroying a century of good work by the Boy Scouts.

    But, we now see a different group who have started a new group to further their goals. How long before the gay activists target them to destroy the Trail Life program as well?

    It seems this "equality" stuff only works one way- You accept the gay agenda, or you are targeted for destruction. It never seems to be the gays merely asking for tolerance of their values without destruction of someone else's values.

    Our youth desperately need good moral leadership and examples, such as Scouting has traditionally provided. Purposely attacking any part of Scouting instead of building new parallel programs is a disservice to all youth. And, is part of the reason for our nation's moral and economic decline.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 3, 2014 10:21 p.m.

    I absolutely love the Boy Scouts of America and their programs. The Aims of Scouting, the Outdoor Code, the Scout Oath & Law, the Methods of Scouting, the Mission of Scouting. It is inspired. It gives boys something that is harder to find in our world today.

    The fact that the BSA welcomes gay boys to participate in the program doesn't change much in my mind. It gives every boy and opportunity to exercise morality, love of God, love of Country, and the principles and values of Scouting. I suspect that every boy would benefit from Scouting.

    In Scouting I enjoyed Philmont (twice), attended LIFE twice (Leadership Institute for Explorers), went to the World Jamboree to Calgary back in the 80's, earned my Eagle, and now I am fortunate enough to work with young men to help them reach as high as they would like through Scouting.

    It is a wonderful program that helps prepare young men in the LDS Church to better serve, be better husbands, and fathers.

    I love the program.

  • Jil York, SC
    March 3, 2014 10:21 p.m.

    Well, guess we can give thanks we still have the freedom to choose what organizations to affiliate with.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    March 3, 2014 9:56 p.m.

    Sadly, the BSA of yesteryear no longer exists. The national leaders of the BSA have decided that money from big business is more important than teaching our youth to be morally straight.
    I hope and pray that our church leaders will have the courage to leave the BSA and join this wonderful organization or start a similar one for our youth. I know change is hard but our youth deserve something better than what the BSA has become.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 3, 2014 8:20 p.m.

    klangton,

    Teaching that something is wrong can be done in love, just as the Savior did. Jesus Christ taught adulterers that such was a sin. He taught repentance and extended forgiveness in His infinite mercy and love. He taught that He came not to destroy the law, but fulfill it.

    In any LDS General conference, you will find these messages:

    We are taught to extend the same love, forgiveness and compassion.
    We are taught to stay true to the law, to turn from temptation, and to repent.
    We are taught to keep the commandments, and promised blessings for it.

    Jesus Christ was hated for what He taught. The people, the law, and His own refused and accused Him of the same things being said today of those who teach His message. None of us are perfect and people of all persuasions can be tempted to hate. What matters is that we keep the commandments. But determining to break other commandments isn't excused by simply being kind and keeping one commandment.

    We are to perfect ourselves, not pretend to follow the Savior. Perhaps I'm as guilty as anyone else here is, but that is the truth.

  • klangton Akiachak, AK
    March 3, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    We just have to remember what Jesus Christ would do. He befriended everyone, despite criticism for doing so. A prostitute, a tax collector for the Romans? Did not matter. Why can we not simply remember who Christianity is named after?

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    March 3, 2014 5:36 p.m.

    There is a lesson to be learned here. The BSA acquiesced to their LGBT critics and changed their policy. Rather than being appreciative, the BLTG types are still just as hostile as ever to the BSA (of not more so) because they will not allow homosexual leaders.

    So the BSA has successfully alienated many of its friends but garnered no favor with the GTBL crowd. In retrospect, I'm sure they wish now, they had stayed with the original policy. Their friends would have stood by them and their enemies would be unaffected.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 3, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    Disney is withdrawing their support of BSA, as have other corporations, because they refuse to allow gay leaders.
    Groups like Trial Life have formed because BSA allows gay boys to participate.
    It looks like BSA tried a compromise... and failed to appease either side.
    It seems to me that this GBLT stuff often ends this way.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    @ USNGary

    We are not ruled by the majority, we are ruled by the Constitution. Also, your (invented) right to discriminate against people who are different than you is not protected by the First Amendment.

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    March 3, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    I support those that support freedom. Historically groups that support freedom last a lot longer than those that do not.
    I feel bad for BSA and they sell short their standards of moral purity in hopes of appealing to a morally corrupt media.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 3, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    I guess I'm still not understanding the difference between the Trail Life policy and the BSA's policy. We accept young men with SSA as long as they remain morally clean while participating in our organization. Same policy from where I sit. Ostracizing and being unaccepting of young men because of their sexual orientation will certainly help them be leaders and have the confidence and self worth they need to succeed in life, right? Wrong! Both organizations can demand certain standards that all their members should live by, but excluding someone because of something they didn't choose or have control over (their sexual orientation...or are there some who still believe they would CHOOSE such ridicule) is not only unchristian but inhumane and unconcienable.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 3, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    Ranch,

    To question other people's devotion to something you're not devoted to is odd. If you're really bent on proving yourself right, you ought to come to church with me and show me how to be a better Mormon. Or go with Chris. I believe he's Catholic.

    The Savior might have more patience and love than the rest of us. But he didn't give different commandments than we do. Killing, Stealing, Lying, and Cheating are still wrong. How I react to a murder might show how I feel, but I'm still against murder. One doesn't have to 'love others perfectly' to be a Christian. One becomes a Christian to learn to 'love others perfectly'.

    I have nothing against the BSA's decision to help all young men where possible... but I don't see anything un-Christian about putting your kids in one catholic school when a public school won't let him pray during his own time at lunch.

  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    March 3, 2014 4:23 p.m.

    Perhaps establishing a new organization is extreme, but fortunately, we still have that right in this country. If someone is not satisfied with something, they've always been encouraged in the past to try to come up with something better -- at least for themselves.

    Many of us are frustrated with a great deal in the world. I do not advocate hate or name calling; yet at the same time, I believe that there are certain standards and principals that should be maintained. I do not agree with the GLBT lifestyle, but I do not try to abuse or harm any who follow such lifestyles or even merely support them. I also do not appreciate being labeled as bigoted or prejudiced either.

    Personally, I think the BSA is a good program, but if it continues to be undermined, perhaps this new venture might be a good alternative. I hope that such groups do not actively hate others, but they do have a right to maintain their own principals and standards.

  • Thrive Provo, UT
    March 3, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    From Trail of Life FAQ Page: Would Mormons or potential Mormon troops be welcomed in your organization?

    We certainly respect Mormons. However, Mormons would not participate in our program as a denomination because of our specific Statement of Faith which holds a belief in the Trinity, which is not in step with Mormon theology. The Mormon Church has issued an official edict that the recent change in membership requirements at the BSA is not at odds with Mormon theology, so Mormons as a denomination are not leaving the BSA at this time.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    March 3, 2014 3:49 p.m.

    So the setting up of a Christian-based private organization for boys is "extreme", "misinformed", "intentionally misleading", about "fear", "un-Christian", etc.

    Seems to me the intolerance and phobia is coming from the group demanding their way.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    March 3, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    Ranch, you were raised Mormon... what Christianity are you referring to?

  • Tiago Seattle, WA
    March 3, 2014 2:49 p.m.

    Trail Life's policy: "We will allow boys of same-sex attraction in the program. We're not going to allow them to facilitate and promote that."
    This sounds very similar to the new BSA policy and the LDS church handbook guidelines for participation in youth activities: sexual orientation alone does not disqualify someone from participation.
    I agree the believers are the salt of the earth. It will be tough for the "salt of the earth" to do much good for the rest of the world though if it segregates itself completely.
    I'm an eagle scout and active member of the church who quietly deals with SSA. I'm thankful to the great leaders and friends I had who made me feel included and gave me chances to grow with them even though I was an awkward and weird kid.

  • Evets Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 3, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    Good for Trail Life. Glad to hear someone take a stand on morals. Those that say Boy Scouts is not what it used to be are right. But that happened way before the Gay issue. They have watered down the program over the last several decades. It is operated more like a business with high paid executives and leadership. Many difficult requirements have disappered either because of being more politically correct or fear of being sued if someone became injured. It has become a culture of risk avoidance.
    I could go on and on but I am sure you get my point even if you may not agree with it.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    March 3, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    I am all for giving this new organization a chance to work on character development within the criteria they have established. Having another organization similar to scouts is not bad.

  • Michael Matthews Omaha, NE
    March 3, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    @ Ranch.

    I think I'm with you here. This organization seems unnecessary and seems to send a terrible message. One can stand for what one believes without having to say that he or she won't associate with someone else who disagrees with you.
    Oh... except, the Christianity that you grew up with does exist. Of course what one person does or even what a group of people do in the name of God/Christ does not define all who believe God/Christ. Christianity as it should be exists in the hearts of men and women everywhere. Sometimes even I am following it.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    March 3, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    You can love someone despite their "sexual orientation" while still disapproving of them doing something that is wrong. Openly advancing sexual activity before marriage and seeking to force others to recognize a sex-oriented view of marriage are both unacceptable. Standing up for what is right, even when it's not popular, is something the Boy Scouts is meant to teach, but in this particular matter, it has decided not to. It's as simple as that.

    Given the way things are going though, I'd rather shift to something more rigid than to simply copy what scouting used to offer. Maybe some kind of junior-junior ROTC, with Church firesides. "Sons of Helaman", not only providing boys with ever-less-available positive male mentors and teaching them to stand for what's right, but instilling the confidence and abilities to do so.

  • MrMas Tucson, AZ
    March 3, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    It sounds like the leaders of Trail Life USA are misinformed or intentially misleading. If you read the news release from the BSA and understand the policy, you see that BSA accepts all those who live moral lives to include abstaining from any sexual behavior while a Boy Scout. Having same-gender attraction does not imply homosexual behavior. I do not believe feeling some way is a sin and nor does the LDS church. Instead, the focus is on actions. Trail Life USA either believes that feeling some way is a sin or are party to the many who are leaving BSA as a knee-jerk reaction without understanding what is actually changing.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    March 3, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    John Stemberger said about the Boy Scouts of America: "They have now allowed open and avowed presentation in your face: here and queer, that kind of blunt thing,"

    I do not believe that this is accurate. If he believes that it is, I can see why he would take such a drastic step.

    I think the BSA compromise was a policy improvement. We shouldn't ostracize boys who struggle with gender issues, as long as they are not engaging in sexual activity. Who knows how many will conquer their confusion by being befriended by peers who aren't confused.

    Youth with SSA participate in public schools, and the other teens manage to retain their perspectives. How much better to surround these youth with good role models and caring friendship.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 3, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    I never encouraged my sons to join the Boy Scouts, and I still would not. The insistence that the scouts believe in God was always the sticking point for me. As a nonbeliever myself, how could I endorse an organization that requires belief? Even with the admission of gay boys, the Boy Scouts still categorizes those who don't believe in a god as unworthy of membership. This is a sad thing, but as atheists become more acceptable in society (as they already are among the young), perhaps the Boy Scouts will adapt in this area as well.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    March 3, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    I agree. The LDS church as a whole should abandon BSA and join this organization. I was just reading today how the gay and lesbian movement is changing the way we do business. Rights protected by the first amendment are being trampled because someone holds to their Christian belief and refuses to serve a WEDDING, not the individual and they are being forced by the court system. Since when did the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA begin to listen to the minority rather than the majority??? I hate that I am being FORCED to give in to something I do not believe in.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    Good work!

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 3, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    "...but also with the belief that the Scouting they knew no longer exists."

    --- The Christianity I knew no longer exists. How sad and un-Christian these people have become.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    March 3, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    Fear controls many. Too bad they have to teach their children the same thing.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    March 3, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    In 15 years with the BSA I have never encountered a homosexual individual desiring membership into the organization. Establishing a new program to modify a single policy seems extreme.