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Published: Monday, Feb. 24 2014 8:59 a.m. MST

Updated: Monday, Feb. 24 2014 8:59 a.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

In our efforts to condemn people for who they are, taking moral cues from Uganda is probably not the way we should be going.

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

What makes this so complicated is that it isn't entirely "wrong". The concerns raised to justify a bill such as this are actual problems that go on, particularly regarding attempts to draw people-particularly children-into such acts, and especially in less developed nations such as Uganda with other human trafficking affairs. These are realities that marriage-altering advocates regularly and feverishly deny, cover, or ignore.

While I don't find much credence in claims of "western imperialism", as such as been cried by many rogue states through recent history, there is certainly an element of "imperialism" and bullying by those who seek to force others to recognize their self-centered ideas for changing marriage.

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ken

There is nothing to be commended for this type of oppression of human rights.

boneheaded, but not a smidgen
SLC, UT

and barry's outrage is where?

Laura M
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I think it is interesting that many African countries are enacting laws such as these after they have felt the effects on their population that have come from homosexual sex. AIDS is rampant in Africa and was initially spread by homosexuals. I believe that after a period of time of licensing homosexual sex in America, we will begin to want to adopt laws against it, just as Africa is doing.

Empyrean
Meadow, UT

@ Hutterite:

Who people are is usually who they've chosen to be. And after studying this issue, scientists in Uganda have concurred with researchers in other countries who have determined that homosexuality is not proven to be genetically linked. Since their percentages in the overall populations of the world are so small, they are truly aberrations.

It's an undeniable fact that homosexual behavior has been the primary source and cause of the deadly aids problem, and especially in African countries. It has rampantly propagated the disease which has actually decimated pockets of their countries. The actual and social costs to their society is almost immeasurable.

When that's all taken into consideration, it's somewhat understandable why African people and their leaders are so overwhelmingly opposed to homosexual behavior and why the majority of their citizens are lauding this new law to discourage homosexual conduct.

well informed
Salt Lake, UT

Similar laws were in place in the USA when America was first born. This is good news for the country of Uganda.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@karua M

The AIDS epidemic is an area I studied in great detail in college. AIDS was primarily spread through the migrant work force and due to the fact that women in the villages were expected to accommodate men visiting the village. This along with strict governmental and social pressures to not use any type of contraception was the key factor in the spread of AIDS in these African countries. So please stop spreading misinformation that serves no purpose then to spread hate and fear.

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

@spring street: I'm afraid any actual facts will be lost on an audience that basis their view of homosexuality on some ancient or some not so ancient "religious" texts. The whole story is not being told. Whatever thinly veiled bigoted reasons the Ugandan government has given for this law a simple Google search on the American Evangelical and Mormon activists who are working behind the scenes in Africa will reveal the ugly eye opening truth about why Uganda's law came to be. God's work indeed!

Tators
Meadow, UT

@ Bob Bohey:

I tried your suggestion about goggling "Mormon activists in Africa" associated with this anti-gay cause. I could find no "eye opening truth" whatsoever about the LDS church involved in any supposed anti-gay crusade in Africa. None.

If perchance, an individual or two involved happened to be Mormon, it would be a separate issue from any Mormon church official involvement. But I couldn't even find any actual evidence of even a miniscule number of Mormons officially involved. Just rumor and speculation from activist groups with their own agendas.

Consider your sources, Bob. The HRC (Human Rights Coalition) is itself an activist group who is strongly biased and bigoted against any organization involved with supporting traditional marriage. They've been anti-Mormon and mostly anti-Christian ever since Proposition 8 in California passed years ago.

They seem to be the primary ones trying to spout any anti-religion rhetoric online as factual. You are truly hurting if they are your the main source of supposed "eye opening truth".

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Uganda has witnessed the dreadful spread of aids due to homosexual behavior and it is putting a stop to it.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@tators

why would you assume that Bob's source is the HRC? . Additionally when I search the HRC I see nothing about them being anti mormon or anti religion. They have stated their opposition to the LDS churches comments on this issue but that hardly makes them "anti-mormon." It's not just Bob's bias that is showing

intervention
slc, UT

A quick literature review shows the fallacy of the claims that AIDS in African countries is linked to homosexuality. There are many factors list below but note the absence of the homosexuality as being a cause.

“the human immunodeficiency virus that causes AIDS, is spread in Africa, most experts believe, primarily by heterosexual contact. “ (A February 2003 article published by David Gisselquist and others in the International
Journal of STD and AIDS.

“the unavoidable conclusion is that girls are getting infected not by boys but by older men,” who are more likely than young men to carry the disease, “with the downward trend of many African economies ... relationships with (older) men can serve as vital opportunities for financial and social security, or for satisfying material aspirations.” (AIDS Epidemic Update, 2002).

“The breakdown in social order and social norms caused by armed conflict is also contributing to the African epidemic. Conflict is typically accompanied by numerous incidents of violence against women, including rape, carried out by soldiers and guerrillas. Such men are also more likely to resort to commercial sex workers than those living in a
settled environment.” CRS issue brief for congress, AIDS in Africa.

intervention
slc, UT

continued

“Poverty forces large numbers of African men to migrate long distances in search of work, and while away from home they may have multiple sex partners, increasing their risk of infection. Some of these partners may be women who have become commercial sex workers because of poverty, and they too are highly vulnerable to infection. Migrant
workers may carry the infection back to their wives when they return home. Long distance truck drivers, and drivers of “taxis,” who transport Africans long distances by car, are probably also key agents in spreading HIV.” CRS issue brief for congress, AIDS in Africa.

Martina Morris’s notes that due to social norms and pressures for large families people in African countries are more likely to have more then one long term partner at a time and her mathematical models show that “Africans in ordinary heterosexual relationships are linked, not only to each other but also to the partners of their partners’ partners—and to the partners of those partners—via a web of sexual relationships extending across huge regions. If one member contracts HIV, then everyone else may too.”

Concinnity
Tooele, UT

@ Spring Street:

I agree with Tators. I also tried goggling the subject matter Bob Bohey suggested and primarily obtained material from HRC that went off negatively about Mormons and Evangelists in general. But not so much about anything specifically to do with this Ugandan law.
As such, they do seem opposed to (or are anti) Mormon, Christian or anyone else supportive of traditional marriage. HRC definitely has their own strong political agenda.

Tators didn't assume anything more than I now am. Just reporting what was found as per Bob's suggestion. There really doesn't seem to be much established info regarding Mormons being involved with this particular anti-gay Ugandan law.

You're right about one thing. It's just not Bob's bias that is showing. Yours apparently is too.

dmcvey
Los Angeles, CA

I suspect the people posting how great this law is don't actually know what the law entails. If the Ugandan Govt. had made it illegal to say anything positive about Mormonism and would possibly put anyone who said anything positive about Mormonism to death I doubt we would think it's reasonable.

Concinnity
Tooele, UT

@ intervention:

There are indisputable evidences linking homosexual behavior and AIDS for anyone goggling the two topics together. Please don't be naive. It's dangerous to be so.

In September of 2010, Reuters reported: "Nearly one in five gay and bisexual men in 21 major U.S. cities are infected with HIV, and nearly half of them do not know it".[1] A September 2010 report of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported : "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States..."[2] In August of 2009, LifeSiteNews reported: "An official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced the CDC's estimate Monday that in the United States AIDS is fifty times more prevalent among men who have sex with men ('MSM') than the rest of the population.

OnlyInUtah
Cottonwood Heights, UT

How did so many of you spin this to include Mormonism or Christianity in General. This has nothing to do with either.

You should stop your bickering about religion and realize this is a law that was imposed for health and social issues currently in place in Uganda. What might be politically correct here isn't necessarily correct elsewhere.

Since when has the USA been the moral compass of the world? It's been a long time since the USA was a moral nation.. we are settling instead on being a nation rampant with immoral ideals.

intervention
slc, UT

@Concinnity
I am naive because you are referencing information about the AIDS epidemic in America for an article dealing with AIDs in Africa? The spread of AIDs looks much different in Africa then the US. Please google AIDS in Africa before calling other naive.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

BABohey: "...a simple Google search on the American Evangelical and Mormon activists who are working behind the scenes in Africa will reveal the ugly eye opening truth about why Uganda's law came to be."

Re Taters' and Concinnity's subsequent comments finding no Mormon involvement:

The inclusion of Mormons in Bohey's original post is probably in error. I am not aware of any specific anti-gay political activity by the LDS church and the severity of the recent African laws is contrary to the LDS church's more conciliatory recent stance on homosexuality. However, American evangelicals, on the other hand, have substantial fingerprints all over the current legislation in Uganda and elsewhere in central Africa. Google "God Loves Uganda" (and view the documentary film by that name) to see how certain American evangelicals (e.g. the International House of Prayer) are providing material and nonmaterial (I hesitate to call it moral) support to the Ugandan government and to anti-gay politicians and policies.

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