BABohey: "...a simple Google search on the American Evangelical and Mormon
activists who are working behind the scenes in Africa will reveal the ugly eye
opening truth about why Uganda's law came to be."Re
Taters' and Concinnity's subsequent comments finding no Mormon
involvement:The inclusion of Mormons in Bohey's original post
is probably in error. I am not aware of any specific anti-gay political
activity by the LDS church and the severity of the recent African laws is
contrary to the LDS church's more conciliatory recent stance on
homosexuality. However, American evangelicals, on the other hand, have
substantial fingerprints all over the current legislation in Uganda and
elsewhere in central Africa. Google "God Loves Uganda" (and view the
documentary film by that name) to see how certain American evangelicals (e.g.
the International House of Prayer) are providing material and nonmaterial (I
hesitate to call it moral) support to the Ugandan government and to anti-gay
politicians and policies.
@ConcinnityI am naive because you are referencing information about the
AIDS epidemic in America for an article dealing with AIDs in Africa? The spread
of AIDs looks much different in Africa then the US. Please google AIDS in Africa
before calling other naive.
How did so many of you spin this to include Mormonism or Christianity in
General. This has nothing to do with either.You should stop your
bickering about religion and realize this is a law that was imposed for health
and social issues currently in place in Uganda. What might be politically
correct here isn't necessarily correct elsewhere. Since when
has the USA been the moral compass of the world? It's been a long time
since the USA was a moral nation.. we are settling instead on being a nation
rampant with immoral ideals.
@ intervention:There are indisputable evidences linking homosexual
behavior and AIDS for anyone goggling the two topics together. Please don't
be naive. It's dangerous to be so.In September of 2010, Reuters
reported: "Nearly one in five gay and bisexual men in 21 major U.S. cities
are infected with HIV, and nearly half of them do not know it". A
September 2010 report of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
reported : "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)
represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most
severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections
have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for
more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States..."
In August of 2009, LifeSiteNews reported: "An official with the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced the CDC's estimate Monday
that in the United States AIDS is fifty times more prevalent among men who have
sex with men ('MSM') than the rest of the population.
I suspect the people posting how great this law is don't actually know what
the law entails. If the Ugandan Govt. had made it illegal to say anything
positive about Mormonism and would possibly put anyone who said anything
positive about Mormonism to death I doubt we would think it's reasonable.
@ Spring Street:I agree with Tators. I also tried goggling the
subject matter Bob Bohey suggested and primarily obtained material from HRC that
went off negatively about Mormons and Evangelists in general. But not so much
about anything specifically to do with this Ugandan law. As such, they do
seem opposed to (or are anti) Mormon, Christian or anyone else supportive of
traditional marriage. HRC definitely has their own strong political agenda.Tators didn't assume anything more than I now am. Just reporting
what was found as per Bob's suggestion. There really doesn't seem to
be much established info regarding Mormons being involved with this particular
anti-gay Ugandan law. You're right about one thing. It's
just not Bob's bias that is showing. Yours apparently is too.
continued“Poverty forces large numbers of African men to
migrate long distances in search of work, and while away from home they may have
multiple sex partners, increasing their risk of infection. Some of these
partners may be women who have become commercial sex workers because of poverty,
and they too are highly vulnerable to infection. Migrant workers may
carry the infection back to their wives when they return home. Long distance
truck drivers, and drivers of “taxis,” who transport Africans long
distances by car, are probably also key agents in spreading HIV.” CRS
issue brief for congress, AIDS in Africa. Martina Morris’s
notes that due to social norms and pressures for large families people in
African countries are more likely to have more then one long term partner at a
time and her mathematical models show that “Africans in ordinary
heterosexual relationships are linked, not only to each other but also to the
partners of their partners’ partners—and to the partners of those
partners—via a web of sexual relationships extending across huge regions.
If one member contracts HIV, then everyone else may too.”
A quick literature review shows the fallacy of the claims that AIDS in African
countries is linked to homosexuality. There are many factors list below but note
the absence of the homosexuality as being a cause. “the human
immunodeficiency virus that causes AIDS, is spread in Africa, most experts
believe, primarily by heterosexual contact. “ (A February 2003 article
published by David Gisselquist and others in the International Journal of
STD and AIDS.“the unavoidable conclusion is that girls are
getting infected not by boys but by older men,” who are more likely than
young men to carry the disease, “with the downward trend of many African
economies ... relationships with (older) men can serve as vital opportunities
for financial and social security, or for satisfying material
aspirations.” (AIDS Epidemic Update, 2002).“The
breakdown in social order and social norms caused by armed conflict is also
contributing to the African epidemic. Conflict is typically accompanied by
numerous incidents of violence against women, including rape, carried out by
soldiers and guerrillas. Such men are also more likely to resort to commercial
sex workers than those living in a settled environment.” CRS issue
brief for congress, AIDS in Africa.
@tators why would you assume that Bob's source is the HRC? .
Additionally when I search the HRC I see nothing about them being anti mormon or
anti religion. They have stated their opposition to the LDS churches comments
on this issue but that hardly makes them "anti-mormon." It's not
just Bob's bias that is showing
Uganda has witnessed the dreadful spread of aids due to homosexual behavior and
it is putting a stop to it.
@ Bob Bohey:I tried your suggestion about goggling "Mormon
activists in Africa" associated with this anti-gay cause. I could find no
"eye opening truth" whatsoever about the LDS church involved in any
supposed anti-gay crusade in Africa. None. If perchance, an
individual or two involved happened to be Mormon, it would be a separate issue
from any Mormon church official involvement. But I couldn't even find any
actual evidence of even a miniscule number of Mormons officially involved. Just
rumor and speculation from activist groups with their own agendas. Consider your sources, Bob. The HRC (Human Rights Coalition) is itself an
activist group who is strongly biased and bigoted against any organization
involved with supporting traditional marriage. They've been anti-Mormon and
mostly anti-Christian ever since Proposition 8 in California passed years ago.
They seem to be the primary ones trying to spout any anti-religion
rhetoric online as factual. You are truly hurting if they are your the main
source of supposed "eye opening truth".
@spring street: I'm afraid any actual facts will be lost on an audience
that basis their view of homosexuality on some ancient or some not so ancient
"religious" texts. The whole story is not being told. Whatever thinly
veiled bigoted reasons the Ugandan government has given for this law a simple
Google search on the American Evangelical and Mormon activists who are working
behind the scenes in Africa will reveal the ugly eye opening truth about why
Uganda's law came to be. God's work indeed!
@karua M The AIDS epidemic is an area I studied in great detail in
college. AIDS was primarily spread through the migrant work force and due to
the fact that women in the villages were expected to accommodate men visiting
the village. This along with strict governmental and social pressures to not use
any type of contraception was the key factor in the spread of AIDS in these
African countries. So please stop spreading misinformation that serves no
purpose then to spread hate and fear.
Similar laws were in place in the USA when America was first born. This is good
news for the country of Uganda.
@ Hutterite:Who people are is usually who they've chosen to be.
And after studying this issue, scientists in Uganda have concurred with
researchers in other countries who have determined that homosexuality is not
proven to be genetically linked. Since their percentages in the overall
populations of the world are so small, they are truly aberrations. It's an undeniable fact that homosexual behavior has been the primary
source and cause of the deadly aids problem, and especially in African
countries. It has rampantly propagated the disease which has actually decimated
pockets of their countries. The actual and social costs to their society is
almost immeasurable. When that's all taken into consideration,
it's somewhat understandable why African people and their leaders are so
overwhelmingly opposed to homosexual behavior and why the majority of their
citizens are lauding this new law to discourage homosexual conduct.
I think it is interesting that many African countries are enacting laws such as
these after they have felt the effects on their population that have come from
homosexual sex. AIDS is rampant in Africa and was initially spread by
homosexuals. I believe that after a period of time of licensing homosexual sex
in America, we will begin to want to adopt laws against it, just as Africa is
and barry's outrage is where?
@kenThere is nothing to be commended for this type of oppression of
What makes this so complicated is that it isn't entirely "wrong".
The concerns raised to justify a bill such as this are actual problems that go
on, particularly regarding attempts to draw people-particularly children-into
such acts, and especially in less developed nations such as Uganda with other
human trafficking affairs. These are realities that marriage-altering advocates
regularly and feverishly deny, cover, or ignore.While I don't
find much credence in claims of "western imperialism", as such as been
cried by many rogue states through recent history, there is certainly an element
of "imperialism" and bullying by those who seek to force others to
recognize their self-centered ideas for changing marriage.
In our efforts to condemn people for who they are, taking moral cues from Uganda
is probably not the way we should be going.