@Sharrona - Early in his ministry, the Savior told the apostles to only go to
the tribes of Israel. As I indicated, He later revised His instructions when He
deemed it was the right time.
The article says North Korea's Constitution guarantees freedom of religion.
The U.S. Constitution does also, I pray we stop heading down the the road that
leads to North Korea's definition of "freedom of religion".
Thanks for the history lesson, but weren't we discussing the future? How
else could we read ironclay's gloomy forecast?
RE:Mark B, Where does he get this stuff? i.e…,Matthew was in
Parthia, and Ethiopia, in which latter country he suffered martyrdom, being
slain with a halberd in the city of Nadabah, A.D. 60. .Andrew the
brother of Peter. He preached the gospel to many Asiatic nations. at Edessa he
was crucified on a cross, the two ends of which were fixed transversely in the
ground. Hence the derivation of the term, St. Andrew's CrossThomas preached the Gospel in Parthia and India, pagan priests, killed him
with a spear.Zelotes, preached the Gospel in Mauritania, Africa, and even
in Britain, where he was crucified, A.D. 74.the Church daily
increased, deeply rooted in the doctrine of the apostles and of men apostolical,
and was watered with the blood of saints.RE: Gmlewis The Savior
told his apostles to only teach the Israelites? Wrong, (Mt 28:19 )
Go ye therefore, and teach=(make disciples, mathēteuō,G.3100)all
nations, baptizing=(baptize,G.907) them in the name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Spirit=(pneuma).
I can't agree with brokenclay that believers are about to be subject to
jail and/or execution in this country. Where does he get this stuff?
The Savior told his apostles to only teach the Israelites.Peter
received a revelation that the time had now come to baptize the GentilesPaul and his companions went to synogogs first, and when they were
rejected they then went to the Gentiles.The Lord is capable of
forming His own strategy, and He reveals that strategy to his servants the
prophets.Our Savior knows the best course to take to get the nations
to voluntarily open their doors to His authorized servants. He will tell the
prophet when the time is right for each nation.I'm glad the LDS
Church is patient enough to do it His way.
RE: Californian#1@94131. Go ye therefore, and teach “all nations”,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
(Mt 28:19). A command not a suggestion. i.e.. Peter, James, John,
Paul… did not play it safe,or .Dietrich Bonhoeffer a German
Lutheran pastor, theologian, anti-Nazi, and was a staunch in his resistance to
the Nazi dictatorship. He strongly opposed Hitler's euthanasia program and
genocidal persecution of the Jews. His writings on
Christianity's role in the secular world have become widely influential,
and many have labelled his book The Cost of Discipleship a modern classic.“I cannot make that choice from security." He returned to
Germany from the safety of the U.S. on the last scheduled steamer to cross the
Atlantic.He was arrested in April 1943 by the Gestapo and executed
by hanging in April 1945. just 23 days before the German surrender.
** "... it's the traditional Christians who are the ones sticking
their necks out for the sake of the message." **Two LDS
missionaries were just robbed at knifepoint in Russia by someone were teaching
the gospel. They aren't the first to be victimized; others have been
robbed, beaten, raped, even killed. A movie you can currently see in theatres is
about two elders kidnapped in Russia in 1998. They didn't stick their necks
out?** "... even though, according to the LDS prophets, we are
all corrupted and our preachers only do what they do for the money." **Wow, this is either a misunderstanding or a distortion. I'm not the
one to decide which.Back-door evangelizing makes the path rougher
for future church activities. There is value in following the laws of the lands
and maintaining good relations with governments as we advance the Kingdom. That
is institutional policy in the LDS Church. As a result, there are temples in
East Germany and Russia, another being built in Rome, where we are delighted to
be neighbors with another great Christian church, and the BYU center in
Jerusalem. In other words, as brokenclay says---** "The proof
is in the pudding." **
It is amazing to me how threatened atheists are by one Christian missionary. And
they should be. You can only tell people chairs don't have chair makers for
so long, and that irreligious oppression is preferable to freedom in Christ.Ranch-- as noted in the article, both the missionary and his wife knew
full well what the consequences could be for his actions, and they have both
accepted those consequences, for as the apostle says, it is better to obey God
than men. And when the secular agenda for power does gain the upperhand in
America and is finally able to enforce its beliefs, and it will in my
generation, then they will have to imprison or execute us, for might does not
make right, and conviction will stand without convenience.It's
also of note that it's the traditional Christians who are the ones sticking
their necks out for the sake of the message, even though, according to the LDS
prophets, we are all corrupted and our preachers only do what they do for the
money. The proof is in the pudding.
If you are going to break the law in a country like North Korea, you should
expect to pay the penalties of breaking the law as defined by North Korea. You
reap what you sow.
Like Coots, he knew what they were before he picked them up!