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Published: Friday, Feb. 14 2014 3:17 p.m. MST

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Thid Barker
Victor, ID

I remember in 1999 Al Gore promised us that in 10 years all the ice on the planet would be gone and coastal cities would be underwater due to global warming! Guess he and all the scientists were wrong.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

As a boy in Chicago in the 1930's I do not recall Lake Michigan freezing over. We keep reading global warming now called climate change is a fact. Seems the weather in Provo is pretty average maybe a little colder January.

mcclark
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Thid Barker Al Gore NEVER said that, @ What As the article pointed out,short term is not the same as long term. The evidence that climate change is real is not in dispute by 99 per cent of the worlds scientist's, the only ones who disagree are the same type of scientist's that the tobacco companies used to trot out to say smoking was safe.

Mr. Plate
Lindon, UT

@mcclark - who said anything about climate change? I don't think anyone doesn't believe in climate change. Everyone knows the earth goes through cyclical changes all the time, so whether it's warming or cooling, it's always in a state of change. As President Obama said, it's a fact. Well, duh! The climate has always changed, and always will continue to do so, even if the human race goes extinct.

How convenient for climate alarmists to change the narrative now that there has been about 17 years of no warming and the return of the icecaps. It's no longer "global warming," which the trends can't support, but rather "climate change," which no rational person can deny, and it shifted so seamlessly that many people don't even realize there's a difference. Notice how the first commenters talk about global warming, but you try to beat them down with climate change as if it's the same thing.

Daniel84020
Draper, UT

Hi Mr. Plate. To help you discuss this in the future, it might be useful to know that the phrase "climate change" came from GOP strategist Frank Luntz. Use of the word was encouraged by the national GOP, and that's how the word changed. As for why it changed, it was because people found it less alarming in focus groups. It seemed to suggest to them--as you've demonstrated--the natural fluctuations of temperature, rather than the man-made heating of the earth.

As for the idea that this cycle has always been going on, I guess that's true, but never to this extent. In a double regression analysis where you control for variables, the p-values are off the charts when you look at man-produced CO2 and rising temperatures. Conclusion, mathematically speaking it's near impossible that our CO2 emissions and the faster-than-ever-before heating of the earth are not related. I hope that data will leave you a little more informed.

Bubble
SLC, UT

So we have warm weather and rain in Utah were it normally snows this time of year and snow on South Carolina were it never snows droughts in CA and lakes that never frreeze over freezing over but get nothing wrong wiith this picture, let's hide our heads in the sand and pretend this is just normal.

metamoracoug
metamora, IL

From the Illinois State Climatologist: It is halfway through February. The statewide average temperature so far in February is 11.5 degrees, 14 degrees below the long-term average. The accumulated snowfall for February 1-14, 2014, ranges from 4 to 5 inches in far southern Illinois to and from 5 to 15 inches in the rest of the state. The band of heaviest snow extends from Quincy to Chicago with amounts of 12 to 15 inches. Right now almost all of Illinois is covered in snow. [the last statement is accompanied by a map which shows the state covered by snow except tiny portions of the state near Cairo and across the Mississippi from St. Louis.]

I also note that on 7 Feb 2014 it was reported -- before this week's big storm in the southeast -- that 67.4 percent of the US is snow-covered. Why is this important?

metamoracoug
metamora, IL

Also from Illinois State Climatologist: 12 of the last 18 months have been below and 5 months significantly below (4 or more degrees) the 1981-2010 norms. And he notes that 2009 & 2010 Januaries were top 20 coldest Januaries and 2013 comes in at #8.

From the EPA: Snow and ice are an important part of the global climate system. Because snow and ice are highly reflective, much of the sunlight that hits these surfaces is reflected back into space instead of warming the Earth. The presence or absence of snow and ice affects heating and cooling over the Earth’s surface, influencing the planet’s energy balance. Reduced snowfall and less snow cover on the ground could diminish the beneficial insulating effects of snow.

From me: my conclusion is that -- at least in central Illinois -- we're experiencing climate change as in a cooling trend. And that the current snow cover in the US is working to slow the global, anthropogenic heating (though I admit I'm skeptical they actually exist) effects.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

I heard on the news yesterday that there is snow on the ground in 49 of the 50 states! When has that happened before? Since the planet is obviously NOT warming, I guess we will have to conclude (scientifically) that the climate is indeed getting cooler, not warmer!

Mr. Plate
Lindon, UT

@Daniel84020 - yeah, the entire worldwide narrative of planetary climate shifted because Frank Luntz and Republicans wanted the name switched from "global warming" to "climate change." I'm sure a few gullible people actually believe Frank Luntz and Republicans invented the name change. The term "climate change" has been around for about 60 years, the journal Climate Change has been around for over 35 years, and the International Panel on Climate Change was formed in 1988. I hope that data will leave you a little more informed.

And nearly all the climate models arising from the global warming scare, many of which were catastrophic in nature, have not been fulfilled. The stabilizing temperatures have frustrated the alarmists, so whether Frank Luntz or anyone else suggested we refer to it as climate change instead of global warming, they were all too happy to latch onto a moniker that no rational person could dispute, so their agendas could be furthered without the mockery of calling it global warming when the globe was no longer, in fact, warming.

wYo8
Rock Springs, WY

reminds me a lot like the 70's. Seems like it all depends on the temperature of the pacific ocean and the wind currents. I just wonder how this nation recovered from the dust bowl years of the 30's. Weather goes in cycles. People are so gullible when it comes to politicians and their words. When I think of global warming or change I think about Gore and all the money he has made and could make from carbon credits, etc. I also look at how much my utility bills have gone up as power companies implement federal regulations and have to use more costly means of creating power.

portlander
Arlington, WA

And how is any of this relative to my personal salvation? Honestly, it is all just a smoke-screen to divert attention away from the Lord and Savior, and His everlasting plan of salvation, to the emotion of fear! And I refuse to be governed by fear!

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

And now Rush Limbaugh and his like-minded minions spout off about how man-made global warming has been debunked by a cold snap.

Sorry Right Wingers, but man-caused climate change, specifically global warming, is a very real phenomenon, in spite of all the bombast against it.

Man-caused global warming is very real, as is the stubborn "Conservative" tendency to ignore any reality inconsistent with Right Wing Ideology.

MrPlate
Lindon, UT

And now Al Gore and his like-minded minions spout off about how man-made global warming has been proven despite a 17-year stabilization of temperatures (is 17 years a "snap," in scientific terms?)

Sorry Left Wingers, but man-caused climate change, specifically global warming, is a very real stalled phenomenon, in spite of all the bombast to scare us.

Man-caused global warming is very really stalled, but not the stubborn "Liberal" tendency to ignore any reality inconsistent with Left Wing Ideology.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Thid Barker
"I remember in 1999 Al Gore promised us that in 10 years all the ice on the planet would be gone and coastal cities would be underwater due to global warming! Guess he and all the scientists were wrong."

The scientists weren't saying anything remotely close to that. (I have no idea if Al Gore did but he's not a scientist anyway).

"When has that happened before?"

Feb. 13, 2010 there was snow in all 50 states. It's probably done the 49 state think sometime between then and now.

@What In Tucket?
"Seems the weather in Provo is pretty average maybe a little colder January."

Utah was somewhat above average, Salt Lake City was around 1F above average in January. I don't know about Provo specifically but assume it was similar.

@Mr. Plate
"and the return of the icecaps."

The last few days have set record lows for the day in Arctic sea ice area.

@metamoracoug
"From me: my conclusion is that -- at least in central Illinois -- we're experiencing climate change as in a cooling trend."

Nobody would use a 14 month dataset to try and establish a climate trend.

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