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Published: Thursday, Feb. 13 2014 7:00 a.m. MST

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Aggie5
Kuna, ID

I kinda see that lots of members don't understand how much real estate we own. We. In Oregon alone it's hundreds of thousands of acres.

Informed Voter
South Jordan, UT

I hope the sales price levels are much more reasonable than the high prices in all three City Creek condo buildings. Sales in all three are very slow....just look at the dark buildings at night. Sure, some owners are non-residents but the number of unsold units exceed 50% after three years of attempted sales. The Church is correct to develop investment properties while improving and maintaining downtown areas. The carrying costs of unsold condominiums are large and would be avoided if market sale prices were used.

Oatmeal
Woods Cross, UT

I am amazed that so many members of the LDS Church do not understand that the LDS Church throughout its history has made investments to support itself and provide, or prepare to provide, blessings of various types for the people.

Highly organized and successful churches throughout history have done that as well. Look at the great artistic and architectural marvels of the Middle Ages and Renaissance in Europe. These works feed our souls. Look at what Catholic Social Services, Seventh Day Adventists and the Salvation Army have accomplished in modern times.

Do I wish that the LDS Church could position itself to do more direct humanitarian work? I think it should and over time it will. But it must do so from a position of strength. And there are more needs than those of the economically impoverished.

Kaotic
USA, UT

How do we know for certain that the 10% collected from the 'members' so as to be considered worthy isn't used for real estate development and non-religious buildings? The church won't allow anybody out of the elite to see the books. Who receives any of the profits from these real estate investments? That should all be public record to anybody that pays tithing to the church. People should be skeptical to the fact that the LDS Church is very secretive to not allowing their own 'members' or 'shareholders' to see (by accountability) where their 10% is invested in the realm of the church...

beehiver
Salt Lake City, UT

I love all the speculation. The truth is the Church is building this because the city of Philadelphia wouldn't give their consent to the Temple etc. unless the Church did something for the City. Thus, as a "quid pro quo" the Church agreed to build a large apartment complex (at a significant loss, I'm sure) in order to help with Philadelphia's ongoing inner-city renewal project.

get her done
Bountiful, UT

Are the apartments for the poor and homeless?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@PP
"Are you sure?"

Even if he did it wasn't notable enough to put in the Bible so it must not have been of much value spiritually.

West Coast1
Secane, PA

birder said "No, I think the truth is that Philly is a pretty rough city. The Church realizes that it has to buy up and develop the land around the new temple to keep the area safer and nicer. That's why the mall was built in Salt Lake - to preserve the area around Temple Square from further decay. The same thing is also happening in Ogden, where the temple is undergoing a complete renovation."

I believe that this is true. I went to church today 2 miles from the temple site in Philadelphia and can confirm that the area could definitely be improved.

bj-hp
Maryville, MO

Kaotic the tithing that I give to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints becomes the Lord's money as soon as it leaves my hand. It doesn't matter how it is spent as the Lord Jesus Christ is at the head of the Church.

We are taught from the very beginning what our tithing is spent on, just as we are taught that all humanitarian funds are spent 100% on humanitarian efforts. I don't need an accounting from the leadership to know where it goes because it is no longer my money when it leaves my hand. I have unrelenting faith to know that the money is spent wisely and the leaders of the LDS Church are beyond reproach. If our Government spent our tax dollars as wisely as the LDS Church does we wouldn't ever have a deficit. All real estate, buildings built and etc. are all bought and paid for before the project is completed. If the money is not available, the project is put on hold. President Gordon B Hinkley spelled it out quite well in a conference talk a few years back.

gittalopctbi
Glendale, AZ

Well, it's just that many of us do not feel that SLC_Mormon raised any legitimate questions.

Eliyahu
Pleasant Grove, UT

"Didn't urban decay ruin all the real estate around the Johannesburg temple since it was built? Now the surrounding area is riddled with crime and has become an inner city sort of environment. Good idea to try and do what you can to keep the area around the temple from blight."

Other writers express similar concerns. Is there something about a temple that causes urban blight and decay nearby? I would think that a nice temple building would inspire similar architecture and quality development.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Shopping malls vs. hospitals. Luxury high-rise housing vs. schools. "By their fruits ye shall know them."

Perhaps when fewer people are starving and dying of malnutrition in the world it will become appropriate for churches to build and develop commercial real estate.

InspectorC
Wasatch Front, UT

TO: 1aggie (and all other critics)---

It never ceases to amaze me how confused you can be as to the realities of how this world works. 8)

Why is it considered (in your myopic view) "good and worthy" to build hospitals and schools, and to feed the hungry, etc. but NOT to build-up "businesses", "investments" and "assets" which ULTIMATELY DO ALL OF THE ABOVE **TIMES TEN** (with their subsequent, RENEWABLE profits)?

Why build a hospital to heal the sick, if the healed cannot then go-forth into this world and "be fruitful" in their livelihood??

Why build schools to educate the children of the world, if they are not then expected to go-forth and "earn a livelihood" and multiply themselves and their talents??

Why feed the hungry, if you don't --in the process-- teach them to "fish for themselves" and to stand independently and to PROSPER on their own two feet?? 8^)

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

InspectorC and others who believe in helping others only in ways that turn a profit: please explain to us how a high-rise building in Philadelphia or a shopping mall in Salt Lake City helps starving and malnourished children in developing countries. Almost all the need is in developing nations and almost all the investment is occurring in the mist developed nation.

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