Comments about ‘Mormons to build 32-story tower in downtown Philly’

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Published: Thursday, Feb. 13 2014 7:00 a.m. MST

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Esquire
Springville, UT

By the way, I find it interesting that the DesNews didn't "break" the story. It came from Philly. I saw it yesterday, way before it showed up here, and here it's still only an AP story. Was this paper asleep, or was it supposed to happen on the QT? When relatively minor administrative decisions are touted and shouted from the rooftops, I am surprised this news didn't get more attention from the Church-owned newspaper, Even now, it's in the Faith section. Very odd, if you ask me.

scwoz
gambier, oh

We have made many real estate mistakes in the past but those days are gone, the Church makes slow and deliberate decisions and does them in cash, no debt to worry about, so I trust the Church to make wise choices and I see this as only helping to improve Phili and improve the Church in the area. If the Church loses money, then it does, and it will have been worth it to improve conditions in this historical town.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

The Church acted in a most responsible manner with the reconstruction of the Nauvoo Temple. Anyone familiar with what the area was like before and after could see the difference. Maybe in Manhattan and Hong Kong the Temple is the only building footprint affected by the Church's decision to build, but that is not the case in very many places. Those who want to criticize the doctrine also want to criticize the corporate decisions, too. That's no surprise, especially when the criticism is to condemn those who support the Church and also the Corporation.

This project will only benefit the City. I know; I've been there recently. Have you?

The Scientist
Provo, UT

I think SLC Mormon's attitude is a healthy one.

Lord Acton warned us that "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." When LDS members place blind, unquestioning trust in Church leaders, they are enabling absolute power. SLC Mormon is questioning. That is a healthy check on the development of absolute power and the corruption it engenders.

The more wealthy and powerful the LDS Church becomes, the more concerned and watchful members (and non members) must be.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

The LDS Church owns a lot of property and a lot of businesses. Each business is expected to turn a profit. Tithes are not used to build businesses. Profits, which are taxed, are used to build Church owned businesses. Those who jab and poke at the Church for creating businesses that employ people and make the lives of individuals more enjoyable seem to have no understanding of the mind and will of the head of the LDS Church, who is Jesus Christ, the Savior. His mission is to make like better for all who accept His doctrine. That building, with the rents received for the apartments will turn a profit and it will give those who rent space in that building a safe and enjoyable place to live or work.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Let's see the federal government has spend $17 Trillion and made few improvements to this country. So, why not people of faith and companies use their money to improve neighborhoods and build up this country.

As we have seen from Senator Reid, Mayor Naggin, John Swallow etc. When politicians get around money they seem to put most of it in their pocket, while demanding that everyone else be more charitable and eat healthier.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "SLC_Mormon" you act as if this is something new? As others have pointed out, the church has had commercial interests from the very beginning. It may be a shock to you to learn this, but the LDS church as radio stations, TV stations, Universities, newspaper, Book publisher, an insurance company, and a retirement financing company, in addition to the realestate holdings.

What you probably don't know is that the church uses the profits from its business holdings for charitable work by the LDS Foundation. The Foundation has been a significant contributor to the new LDS Hospital wing, the new Primary Children's Medical Center, the new Holy Cross Hospital, the Salvation Army, Saint Vincent De Paul Center soup kitchen for the homeless, the Salt Lake City Homeless Shelter, the Utah Symphony, Ballet West, the United Way, and related organizations. Income from Church business operations permits participation in local community causes without using the tithing of members from around the world.

Why condem them for using businesses to further aid the needy?

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

You hit the nail right on the head Esquire.

They run a story about a 7" foot Alaskan getting Married in the Temple front page on the internet site and a story about a LDS Temple/Apartment/Office Skyscraper being built in the heart of Philly is relegated to the Religion section? Now when was the last time the D-News or KSL for that matter did something like that?

I am fully aware this paper and KSL are Church owned, they can print any thing they want and usually news like this is front page. To me this looks like an attempt to not promote this to it's Utah/Western members.

So what gives?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@J Thompson
"Seem to have no understanding of the mind and will of the head of the LDS Church, who is Jesus Christ, the Savior."

Jesus didn't start a carpentry business and proclaim that hiring a bunch of workers while making a good profit was his purpose.

The church can do what it wants, but let's not pretend that starting a business is a spiritual pursuit... (or that putting twice as much money into a shopping center than it puts towards humanitarian aid in the past 20 years, is an organization whose primary purpose is charity).

riverofsun
St.George, Utah

......in elite territory.
But, of course.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

@ Scientist

If what you say is true, where is your expressed concern about the Pope, then? All you seem to want to do is hammer the LDS.

Questioning those in charge may be healthy at times, but usually it just shows a lack of trust, faith and confidence. Similarly, complaining can at times be therapeutic but usually is just counter productive.

There are those who we can always count on to be negative to all things LDS and by so doing they have become easy to ignore and have become irrelevant. That's a pity because they may have a good point occasionally, but not every comment, every story, every time. That's because they appear to be totally agenda driven and just anti- to everything. And they support others in that same vein to the point it reinforces that perception, sorry to say.

Gregorio
Norco, CA

Zion is where the LDS pay their bills. Everywhere the LDS people live and work make my community better. They keep the sabbath day and their children are leaders in the grade, intermediate and high schools here in town. They are good examples to our children and for the most part make better choices than others. They do not smoke or drink or use profane language. Why wouldn't we want more of these citizens in our communities?
If our government leaders ran their civil servant jobs as well as these church leaders, our country would not be in less debt and have a greater citizenry of self reliant workers than government dependent unemployed.
Good for the LDS church and this project. Giving people jobs and a hand up rather than a hand out on the government dole.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "atl134" but starting a business can be a spiritual persuit.

According to the Book of Mormon, wealth can be a good thing if your intent is right. Jacob 2:19 states "And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do good, to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted." Explain how you can seek riches without building up a business? Plus, think of it this way what is the best way to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, or administer to the sick and afflicted? Do we help the needy better by giving them stuff or by employing them allowing them to earn a living?

Bill McGee
Alpine, UT

To Thinking_Clearly: Explain to me again how the illegal Kirtland Safety Society (bank) was a boon to the development of Kirtland?

che1968
Exton, PA

Thrilled with the news that the Church is expanding it's influence, and that the local public leadership is welcoming the venture. Not only will it create construction jobs, but in the near and long term, there will be employment opportunities for hundreds, if not thousands. It will only add grandeur to an already beautiful location. At 32 stories it will be a highlight to the skyline, and if the architecture is reflexive of the city and it's history, will be a gracious addition. Also with a meetinghouse in the downtown area, it will effectively serve a growing inner city membership that is public transportation dependent. For the City of Philadelphia, this must be a "sight for sore eyes", taking a low tax producing property and making it a better tax producing property.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt1701
[Jacob 2:19 states "And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do good, to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted."]

Sadly a decent number of Christians (obviously the non-LDS use different verses/basis) think that riches are something that come with being faithful (prosperity gospel).

"Do we help the needy better by giving them stuff or by employing them allowing them to earn a living?"

Depends what sort of wages are being offered. In some third world nations, for instance, the exploitation of their labor leaves the workers one step above slavery. In the U.S. we do have companies that deliberately pay their workers so little that they can be subsidized by the rest of us (through food stamps, etc.). I'm not going to pretend to know what workers at City Creek make.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

The Scientist

Were you talking about the LDS Church, or President Obama?

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "atl134" regardless of the wages paid, which is better. Simply giving the poor and needy money or is it better to give them a job where they can gain skills and move into jobs that do a better job supporting them and their family.

Did you know that in the US we have workers that have no desire to improve themselves with new and more desireable skills? Did you know that the government subsidizes workers who's career goal is to flip burgers and take out the trash?

So again, tell me which is best, do we seek riches with the intent to help the poor, or do we abhor riches and just give the poor stuff?

Unreconstructed Reb
Chantilly, VA

Much ado over nothing.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@Open and honest

Irony? NO. No money changing or commercial business goes on in the temple.

Perhaps you visit an LDS temple, or atleast the visitors center, and learn about LDS temples.

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