I think that Joseph in Egypt must have read this book ... sounds like the
The purpose of this is what? What America needs is to start finding the things
we hold and value in common with each other, not what makes us different. All
of God's children are exceptional. This is just more divide and conquer.
"...three shared traits: a superiority complex, insecurity and impulse
control".Now all the neuroticism among my neighbors makes
sense.But it still is not very flattering.
From the article: We know that group superiority claims are specious and
dangerous, yet every one of America’s most successful groups tells itself
that it’s exceptional in a deep sense. Mormons believe they are
“gods in embryo” placed on earth to lead the world to salvation;
they see themselves, in the historian Claudia L. Bushman’s words, as
“an island of morality in a sea of moral decay.”--- This
is useful for non-mormons to hear, to try to understand what is behind mormon
thinking and actions. Of course, it is America, and any and all groups are
entitled to feel they are leaders.--- While granting all that is
good about mormon culture, one can also observe that the purposes of group
members can evolve, not always for the better, when the group becomes
established and new generations come.It is hard to keep the same
moral compass after you get rich. The original purpose might be muddied by new
ones (avoiding influences that might change the group).The present
question: Is mormon opposition to marriage equality truly about morality, or is
it about keeping lds born Gay from wanting to make the church change?
They may have correctly identified successful groups, but are wildly off the
mark on the reasons for their prosperity.How about giving credit to
these traits common among those groups:-- Belief in hard work as a
means to bettering one's life, instead of blaming others and playing the
victim, waiting for handouts.-- Belief in the value of education and
actually attending school and learning- with useful majors, not liberal PC fluff
courses.-- Intact two parent families providing appropriate gender
role models, firm discipline and a sense of personal responsibility and
accountability.-- Strong religious values emphasizing personal
worth, the concepts of good and evil (with rewards for good and punishment for
bad behavior), and traditional moral values.These factors make a
real difference in how successful people are. Too bad every one of these is
under assault and denigrated by the liberals.
@Bob KI'm not sure that description from the article is
necessarily useful for understanding our thinking and actions. We believe that
everyone has the potential to become like God, not just members of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Perfect description of Larry H Miller. His insecurity led to the establishment
of a business empire. Right out of his autobiography.
Luke NelsonWest Valley City, UT"@Bob KI'm not sure
that description from the article is necessarily useful for understanding our
thinking and actions. We believe that everyone has the potential to become like
God, not just members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints."--- Of course you do, we know that. The downsides are
that many of you tend to look down on those who do not see it your way, and we
see the doorknocking and TV ads as rude.@DN SubscriberThe fact
that you add "instead of" to the listed purposes shows an unfortunate
sourness toward fellow Americans, and stretches the truth too much.Goodhearted, intelligent, responsible liberals want all the same things you
list, but believe that folks who can't quite get there on their own need
some help, not condemnation, judgement, and blame (which seem quite un-Christian
to me)As far as role-model families: Utah and Bible Belt States have
high divorce rates. May I suggest that tens of millions of parents who
impregnate or marry carelessly or too young are 10,000 times more likely to
damage kids than loving same sex parents who CHOSE their children?
Bob K, and may I suggest that children have the BEST chance at success when they
have a mother AND a father in their lives. With gay "parents", there is
no chance of that.
The ability to delay gratification seems a given. Numerous studies have
confirmed this as a strong indicator of not only success but a generally happy
and fulfilled individual.Insecurity – OK, but it’s a
quite simple exercise to identify groups in society that are insecure without
showing any tendencies to outperform the norm.Superiority complex
– the authors of the NYT article did not cite one source to support this
claim, and the groups they identify (Jew, Iranians, and Mormons) are
demonstrated to be so by anecdote and stereotyping. That these groups outperform
is a fact, but there are likely better explanations than this. And
as the authors point out, a superiority complex can easily become pathological
– the last time we saw a country populated by two “superior”
groups (Jews and Aryans) things did not turn out so well for the minority group.
Though it is taboo to suggest (or even to study in a scientific
manner – e.g. the vilification of The Bell Curve), I’d guess IQ
along with good character (whether due to innate traits, family upbringing, or
culture) would have far more explanatory power here.
From the Ivy League Ivory Tower, promoted by the NYT.May they sell lots of
books.We do love simplification, don't we?
Bob KYou say "Goodhearted, intelligent, responsible liberals
want all the same things you list, but believe that folks who can't quite
get there on their own need some help, not condemnation, judgement, and blame
(which seem quite un-Christian to me)"I agree that condemnation
and blame are un-Christian. Attending church is helping me to reduce that in
myself. I don't want to get into a discussion of who gives more of their
own to the needy. And I'm not saying that liberals don't. I just think
it is irresponsible and incorrect to imply that conservatives don't.
I can see why a stereotypical Mormon, Jew or Immigrant(I am thinking of
individuals from the Middle East and India in particular, but also Hispanics)
might fit into a category of Insecure, "Superiority Complex"(which is a
negative and biased term for a high self esteem probably because of a rich
culture), and Impulse Control. But that is just the point it is a
stereotype and who said the American Dream was good anyway it is in direct
contrast to living within your means which is what I understand is taught within
the Bible. With the exception of Immigrants I think that this highlights
superficial and bad qualities of Judaism and Mormonism and should not be taken
as a direct result of the teachings of those groups. For example the drive for
social mobility and Utah has made Utah a big center for white collar crime. No
one likes that.