Pope Francis says abortion is evidence of 'throwaway culture'


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  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    "I own my body." Yes, you do. But not someone else's body.

    "I'm pro-choice." No, you're not. You don't favor individual choice over how fast to drive, how big a house you can build on a given lot, how much pollution you can emit, how you can decide whether to hire or fire someone, what kind of light bulb I can use, or what I can do with about 36% of my money.

    You are only "pro-choice" about this one particular issue. It's more accurate to say you're pro-abortion-on-demand.

    Stop hiding behind the truth-challenged cliches, and own what you believe.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 5:04 a.m.

    I love children with all my heart, but unfortunately, I lost a number of pregnancies to miscarriage. This is when the body naturally says that a pregnancy was not in the plan at that time. This happens in possibly 20% of pregnancies (mostly early on, sometimes before it was known that a woman is pregnant). Sometimes a doctor may advise that due to a women's health, the pregnancy shouldn't continue. Occasionally there is a true choice involved, but this is not for anybody to judge except the woman, her doctor and if a woman chooses, someone else. Since this has direct relation to a women's body, it is her choice. I believe there are many more things for religion to worry about in this world. And we are not deplete of people (seven billion and counting)...let's take care of what we have!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 14, 2014 11:08 p.m.

    "That principle is reflected by the thoughtful guidance that the LDS Church has provided in its Handbook for leaders. ...Ultimately, we have to rely on the mother to make the decision, ..."

    Really?! So, are you trying to convince us that the Handbook is Pro-Choice?
    Nope. Not even close. Your liberal views on abortion are in no way supported by the Church or the Handbook.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Jan. 14, 2014 4:27 p.m.


    You own your body. You do not 'own' the body of an unborn child. Once there is a fetus, there is a life. Nobody has the right to take the life of a child who did nothing to be there. They didn't have a choice in the matter. Nobody has the right to take an innocent life ESPECIALLY the mother whom has been entrusted with that life. If you don't want the possibility of a child then there is an easy way to prevent it until you are ready. Children are the natural consequence of sexual activity.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    @ Thid Barker, a woman living the law of chastity can get pregnant. It ahppened to my wife four times.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 14, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Schnee. You are wrong. The best way to not become pregnant is live the law of chastity! Its 100% effective except in the rare cases of rape or incest.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    One other thing. A government mandate makes little difference in the decisionmaking process. It did not dissuade or convince someone I know in the depth of the Great Depression here in Utah. Her decision was made by her and her alone. She chose not to go down that path, but she might have based on dire circumstances. Do people in these circumstances need safe procedures, or shoud the government make remote, simplistic decisions for the affected party which will surely lead to worse results?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    I am not sure I agree with the concept that abortiona sign of a throwaway culture. It is too simplistic to say that. Abortion is complicated and nuanced, affected by a whole range of considerations that are complex and numerous and the people involved. That principle is reflected by the thoughtful guidance that the LDS Church has provided in its Handbook for leaders. I wish it was simple. It just isn't. It is sobering and difficult. Yes, there may be some who are cavalier about it, but the vast majority of people are not. Ultimately, we have to rely on the mother to make the decision, hopefully aided by those most otherwise affected.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Jan. 14, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    @ThomasJefferson – “When they choose to advocate for the most vulnerable, the unborn child, I'll listen!”

    Perhaps we can find common ground by establishing what an unborn child is.

    Certainly past a certain point of development I would agree, but if you say that a newly fertilized egg so small that it cannot be seen with the naked eye is a “baby,” you’re going to get some understandable push back – especially since the objective of defining a zygote (or blastocyst or embryo) as such is to grant full personhood rights and criminalize a woman/doctor who terminate a pregnancy at any time.

    Perhaps the time has come for our country to end the political fight over this issue by meeting somewhere in the middle. If liberals will concede that abortion on demand through all stages of development is morally untenable, maybe conservatives can recognize that dictating to women (in the early stages of pregnancy) has equally troubling moral implications as well as being impracticable.

    Is there common ground here or will moral/ideological purity (on both sides) continue to keep this political football in play?

  • redbaron logan, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 12:50 a.m.

    I wonder what liberals think of their new best friend now. . .

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 10:32 p.m.

    Disposing 50 to 60 million babies down the toilet since RoeVWade is hardly evidence of a kinder and gentler man, women, and nation. There is no debate in such evil!

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    He has got this right.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 9:46 p.m.

    Mick, I hold your gender responsible. When you accept your responsibility and start using birth control then you have no right to judge women. Your righteous indignation means nothing compared to the ownership of my body.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 13, 2014 9:03 p.m.

    What is the difference between "natural" means of family planning--accepted by the Catholic church--(rhythm method) and modern methods of family planning such as the pill other than one has a high rate of failure? Contraceptives saves lives--of women and unborn children.

    The good news is abortions are declining in the U.S. Liberals and conservatives could find common ground in reducing abortion rates through education and improving access to contraceptives.

    NBC (2012)
    "A dramatic new study finds that offering women free birth control can reduce unplanned pregnancies -- and send the abortion rate spiraling downward.

    When more than 9,000 women ages 14 to 45 in the St. Louis area were given no-cost contraception for three years, abortion rates dropped from two-thirds to three-quarters lower than the national rate, according to a new report by Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis researchers.

    Are you recommending celibacy for married people who've finished adding to their family?

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2014 7:49 p.m.


    Pregnancy is a consequence of an action. Not a choice. The action that causes the pregnancy can be prevented or controlled. Until society learns to prevent or deal with consequences, we will continue to deteriorate.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 6:29 p.m.

    Hutterite. When does personal responsibility become part of the equation. We have made children the problem. Get rid of the child, problem solved. Liberals don't want poor women having children. That is why they are adamant that abortion be legal and birth control part of insurance plans. If you disagree consider this. What demographic has the most abortions. I submit it is the poor. Study eugenics. Poor people create more poor people. Stop them from having children you eliminate poverty. I can understand an abortion in the case of rape, incest, or dire health concerns. That should be a rare occurrence.

  • jeanie orem, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 5:47 p.m.

    As a woman I have the ultimate power, the power to create a new life. The problem isn't that women need to be more empowered to control their sexuality. With the exception of rape, it is woman not respecting this amazing power they have. People discuss female sexuality like its ultimate purpose is pleasure with the unfortunate disadvantage that it can also produce unwanted pregnancies, or it can be used to have a kid if that's what you want. Shouldn't the power to create life weigh more heavily than personal pleasure?

    I know that sexuality is not just for creating life, but in the big picture why is new life considered an inconvenient second to personal pleasure? As a woman, I believe this is a tragic order of prorities.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    The best way to reduce abortions is to prevent unplanned pregnancies in the first place but the Vatican isn't very big on that idea thanks to their opposition to birth control.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 5:34 p.m.

    We gong from hard covered books to paper back to intangible books. The books you read and the people you keep in a virtual world. We really went into an imaginary world when people don't matter.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    Jan. 13, 2014 5:24 p.m.

    A throw away society and an immoral society.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    I can understand were the pope is coming from, if you believe life starts at conception it would be hard to understand how anyone would make such a decision but in my experience work king with women that have faced thart decision it is not one they mKe lightly. I do agree with him on his other comments with regards to doing more to care for the hungry, immigrants and those being persecuted. It is sad to see people on both sides place so much focus on his comments about abortion and ignore the rest of his comments which he has spent more time talking about.

  • LVIS Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    @Hutterite--so, with you, it's all or nothing, eh? That's, to use a phrase, throwing the baby out with the bathwater. How about taking each point on it's own merits? By the way, what is "getting real" about human sexuality, birth control, and empowerment of women?

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    It is also evidence of an immoral culture. It is similar to how the gay community wants same-sex marriage to be legal. Just as abortion is legal it is still not moral. If same-sex marriage becomes legal it will still be immoral.

    God bless the Pope his is a great and inspired man!

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 4:46 p.m.

    I own my body, not the gov. When you can get pregnant you are entitled to an opinion.

  • CaptainCougar Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    @Hutterite, none of his comments carry much weight TO YOU. The rest of the world watches on and loves that he's confronting issues.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    I disagree that none of his comments carry weight....

    If he has a good idea, or a valid concern, why not weigh the measure of each concern or idea upon their own credits? Why throw out everything because something is disagreeable?

    I agree that abortion is one piece of evidence that there are problems with the liberal agenda. Liberalism harms society more than it helps. We need a return to core values.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Jan. 13, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    I really don't understand how people can argue that killing a human fetus is okay. There is nothing okay about it. It is a human life. Why does the USSC get to decide when killing is okay. How is it a women's rights issue. Really, it's a woman's right to decide whether to kill? Those in favor of abortion say - it's her body. No, it's the body of another human being. That human has no choice in the matter? It baffles the mind

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Jan. 13, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    I agree with him, and I think that abortion is one of the top indications of a culture gone the wrong direction. It is tragic and horrible.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    None of his comments carry much weight until the church gets real about human sexuality, birth control, and empowerment of women. In the case of this pope, some of that may happen but they've got a long way to go.